webfact Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 US Ebola patient Thomas Duncan dies in hospital(BBC) The first person to be diagnosed with Ebola within the US has died, Texas hospital officials have said.Thomas Eric Duncan, 42, who caught the virus in his native Liberia, was being treated with an experimental drug in isolation in a Dallas hospital.Earlier the US announced new screening measures at entry points to check travellers for symptoms of the virus.It has killed 3,865 people, mostly in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, in the worst Ebola outbreak yet."It is with profound sadness and heartfelt disappointment that we must inform you of the death of Thomas Eric Duncan this morning at 7:51 am," a spokesman for Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas said in a statement."Our thoughts today are with his family," said US President Barack Obama, who said his death showed "we don't have a lot of margin for error. If we don't follow protocols and procedures that are put in place, then we're putting folks in our communities at risk".Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29543956-- BBC 2014-10-09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Me neither, but the deputy who was at his house is now showing some signs. I hope it is not ebola, but god help Texas if it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I read an article a few days ago saying he's not being treated with experimental drugs. I'll dig it out this evening if I can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 The sheriffs deputy case is very concerning : http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms Michael Monnig (the deputy) said he had 'no contact' but was in the apartment for about 30 minutes, if this turns out the be the case and he has contracted Ebola then it could be a game changer and cause a big rethink about how transmission if now working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiPiFFS Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I also read an article that had the deputy admitted to hospital with signs of ebola. It isn't looking too good at the moment. Didn't a hospital in BKK say they had come up with a cure ? Obama telling everyone that it is very hard to contract and everything is under control doesn't seem to be ringing right either. I don't think they are telling us all they know and it is time to stop all travel out of the affected countries now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well, I hope the deputy simply has the flu or ate something bad. If he has ebola, he has already come in contact with many people that day and days after. Now THAT worries the heck outta me. I will download I am Legend to feed my paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted widely ... if the Deputy touched anything in the apartment that had Duncan's bodily excretions on it - that is all it takes... Because the Deputy was in the Apartment not too long after Duncan was taken to the hospital the second time... Just before the second trip in the ambulance to the hospital - Duncan's relatives reported that he had severe diarrhea in the apartment and was throwing up 'wildly' all over the place inside and outside the apartment. With this happening the vomiting and diarrhea alone - not to mention any coughing or sneezing would have created fomites - objects with bodily fluid residue... The virus dies after a certain time -- but does last for at least hours. They didn't hazmat the ambulance for two days after the second run and they didn't tell the ambulance crew for those two days either. Ebola is definitely transmissible when symptoms are displayed... No one knows for sure if a Ebola infected person can transmit the virus in a day or hours before symptoms appear... With Influenza and the Common Cold... viruses are 'shed' before symptoms show -- if it called the prodromal period. Edited October 9, 2014 by JDGRUEN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Americans should not have to be even exposed to the Ebola... Demand that the U.S. State Department and CDC and Immigration stop allowing issuance of visas to West Africans... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764806-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-on-us-soil/page-6#entry8497096 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Infecting a Nation for Politics and Moneyhttp://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764806-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-on-us-soil/page-7#entry8504178http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/66582 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They should set up a facility on an island away from the population for treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiPiFFS Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 The thing that worries me the most is what have they done with the two planes he flew to Europe and then America on ? They get a cursory cleaning between flights. Have they been taken out of service or had a proper clean ? It is scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They should set up a facility on an island away from the population for treatment. I am writing up a proposal for doing something like that ... off the coast of West Africa... where all Ebola patients from the region should be processed - diagnosed - and treated... Coming soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 " US President Barack Obama, who said his death showed "we don't have a lot of margin for error. If we don't follow protocols and procedures that are put in place, then we're putting folks in our communities at risk". " Preparing the public for new draconian security measures, just like Bush's Patriot Act put in place after 911. Get ready for more intrusions into your life, America. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted widely ... if the Deputy touched anything in the apartment that had Duncan's bodily excretions on it - that is all it takes... Because the Deputy was in the Apartment not too long after Duncan was taken to the hospital the second time... Just before the second trip in the ambulance to the hospital - Duncan's relatives reported that he had severe diarrhea in the apartment and was throwing up 'wildly' all over the place inside and outside the apartment. With this happening the vomiting and diarrhea alone - not to mention any coughing or sneezing would have created fomites - objects with bodily fluid residue... The virus dies after a certain time -- but does last for at least hours. They didn't hazmat the ambulance for two days after the second run and they didn't tell the ambulance crew for those two days either. Ebola is definitely transmissible when symptoms are displayed... No one knows for sure if a Ebola infected person can transmit the virus in a day or hours before symptoms appear... With Influenza and the Common Cold... viruses are 'shed' before symptoms show -- if it called the prodromal period. Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted True because it isn't transmitted by air, only by touch or consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> " US President Barack Obama, who said his death showed "we don't have a lot of margin for error. If we don't follow protocols and procedures that are put in place, then we're putting folks in our communities at risk". " Preparing the public for new draconian security measures, just like Bush's Patriot Act put in place after 911. Get ready for more intrusions into your life, America. How many plane suicides in the US occurred after 9/11 - only one, a small aircraft in Texas flown by a disgruntled Texan at a federal building to target the IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 it is a sad irony that Texas Governor Perry claims he can do better than the US Border Patrol to keep illegal aliens out of Texas, but the State's medical protocols are either lacking or ignored to intercept an ebola infected person who came on his own to a hospital knowingly from Africa and claiming symptoms of ebola. Duncan's death and any to follow is Perry's albatross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted widely ... if the Deputy touched anything in the apartment that had Duncan's bodily excretions on it - that is all it takes... Because the Deputy was in the Apartment not too long after Duncan was taken to the hospital the second time... Just before the second trip in the ambulance to the hospital - Duncan's relatives reported that he had severe diarrhea in the apartment and was throwing up 'wildly' all over the place inside and outside the apartment. With this happening the vomiting and diarrhea alone - not to mention any coughing or sneezing would have created fomites - objects with bodily fluid residue... The virus dies after a certain time -- but does last for at least hours. They didn't hazmat the ambulance for two days after the second run and they didn't tell the ambulance crew for those two days either. Ebola is definitely transmissible when symptoms are displayed... No one knows for sure if a Ebola infected person can transmit the virus in a day or hours before symptoms appear... With Influenza and the Common Cold... viruses are 'shed' before symptoms show -- if it called the prodromal period. Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted True because it isn't transmitted by air, only by touch or consumption. You quibble ... spewing droplets of saliva, globlets of phlegm and the like via an energetic sneeze or cough on to someones skin or their clothing from 4-5-6 feet away is a method of transferring - transmitting huge amounts of the Ebola virus by air... NO it is not classic airborne transmission as it is defined: (roughly) as a virus laden particle small enough and light enough to float in the air - often a considerable distance due to air flow or just floats around in or near the same spot where shed or ejected... waiting for someone to breath it in. But what I just described further above is a large part of what is causing residents of West African Ebola Hotspots to become infected and over half are dying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 it is a sad irony that Texas Governor Perry claims he can do better than the US Border Patrol to keep illegal aliens out of Texas, but the State's medical protocols are either lacking or ignored to intercept an ebola infected person who came on his own to a hospital knowingly from Africa and claiming symptoms of ebola. Duncan's death and any to follow is Perry's albatross. Most of the protocols are Federal - CDC - Center for Disease Control, some are State but often just a repeat of the CDC protocols... But you are right ... Presbyterian Hospital failed on all counts. Along with Dallas City and County Law Enforcement, Fire/EMS and others... Simply amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted widely ... if the Deputy touched anything in the apartment that had Duncan's bodily excretions on it - that is all it takes... Because the Deputy was in the Apartment not too long after Duncan was taken to the hospital the second time... Just before the second trip in the ambulance to the hospital - Duncan's relatives reported that he had severe diarrhea in the apartment and was throwing up 'wildly' all over the place inside and outside the apartment. With this happening the vomiting and diarrhea alone - not to mention any coughing or sneezing would have created fomites - objects with bodily fluid residue... The virus dies after a certain time -- but does last for at least hours. They didn't hazmat the ambulance for two days after the second run and they didn't tell the ambulance crew for those two days either. Ebola is definitely transmissible when symptoms are displayed... No one knows for sure if a Ebola infected person can transmit the virus in a day or hours before symptoms appear... With Influenza and the Common Cold... viruses are 'shed' before symptoms show -- if it called the prodromal period. Ebola does not have to be airborne to be transmitted True because it isn't transmitted by air, only by touch or consumption. You quibble ... spewing droplets of saliva, globlets of phlegm and the like via an energetic sneeze or cough on to someones skin or their clothing from 4-5-6 feet away is a method of transferring - transmitting huge amounts of the Ebola virus by air... NO it is not classic airborne transmission as it is defined: (roughly) as a virus laden particle small enough and light enough to float in the air - often a considerable distance due to air flow or just floats around in or near the same spot where shed or ejected... waiting for someone to breath it in. But what I just described further above is a large part of what is causing residents of West African Ebola Hotspots to become infected and over half are dying. I was looking round BBC's site yesterday. One report said the mortality rate for victims could be between 70 - 90% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 He's a Texan. Hard to drum up any feeling of sympathy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 What we need is a tax to solve problems like this. Similiar to carbon tax to save world wide warming. Tax will work best if we can get the USA and Europe involved; solution is to get Ebola up there like global warming. Tax America and Europe to fix this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 He's a Texan. Hard to drum up any feeling of sympathy for him. Darwinian quote of the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 it is a sad irony that Texas Governor Perry claims he can do better than the US Border Patrol to keep illegal aliens out of Texas, but the State's medical protocols are either lacking or ignored to intercept an ebola infected person who came on his own to a hospital knowingly from Africa and claiming symptoms of ebola. Duncan's death and any to follow is Perry's albatross. Most of the protocols are Federal - CDC - Center for Disease Control, some are State but often just a repeat of the CDC protocols... But you are right ... Presbyterian Hospital failed on all counts. Along with Dallas City and County Law Enforcement, Fire/EMS and others... Simply amazing... How did Dallas PD and FD fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 it is a sad irony that Texas Governor Perry claims he can do better than the US Border Patrol to keep illegal aliens out of Texas, but the State's medical protocols are either lacking or ignored to intercept an ebola infected person who came on his own to a hospital knowingly from Africa and claiming symptoms of ebola. Duncan's death and any to follow is Perry's albatross. Most of the protocols are Federal - CDC - Center for Disease Control, some are State but often just a repeat of the CDC protocols... But you are right ... Presbyterian Hospital failed on all counts. Along with Dallas City and County Law Enforcement, Fire/EMS and others... Simply amazing... How did Dallas PD and FD fail? Because they could have shot him and safely burned the body? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I read an article a few days ago saying he's not being treated with experimental drugs. I'll dig it out this evening if I can find it. They said it was because he was in such bad shape already that they thought the treatment likely to do more harm to him than good. The sheriffs deputy case is very concerning : http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms Michael Monnig (the deputy) said he had 'no contact' but was in the apartment for about 30 minutes, if this turns out the be the case and he has contracted Ebola then it could be a game changer and cause a big rethink about how transmission if now working. The photojournalist who just returned to the states infected with Ebola says he just washed the car of an Ebola-infected person back in Liberia. (Some alleging this isn't really credible and that information is being withheld...) Americans should not have to be even exposed to the Ebola... Demand that the U.S. State Department and CDC and Immigration stop allowing issuance of visas to West Africans... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764806-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-on-us-soil/page-6#entry8497096 Some say that'd just make conditions in west Africa worse with the people there starting to feel trapped and desperate to flee into other parts of Africa, taking Ebola with them. And if Ebola starts showing up in South or Central America?? The worry is there'll be a new flood of illegals storming the southern border just trying to escape - inevitably bringing it with them. " US President Barack Obama, who said his death showed "we don't have a lot of margin for error. If we don't follow protocols and procedures that are put in place, then we're putting folks in our communities at risk". " Preparing the public for new draconian security measures, just like Bush's Patriot Act put in place after 911. Get ready for more intrusions into your life, America. Whatever intrusions there may be, you're dreaming if you think they'll be just in the U.S. But nobody takes Obama seriously anymore. He's got almost nothing to say about anything, about this or anything else. Polls show the majority of Americans now consider him literally a failure. He's going to be the lamest lame duck prez in American history; his own party has disowned him in the midterm elections next month. It certainly didn't help matters though that Duncan not only reportedly lied to get on the plane out of Liberia and eventually into the U.S., but then his family in Dallas had to be placed under armed guard because they wouldn't obey orders to stay in their apartment. Hard to shed too many tears over his or their fate; save them for the responders, hospital staff, and other people they may have infected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Someone please help me with this but there are fairly large numbers of West Africans along Lower Sukhumvit and they are always grabbing onto farangs arms in the hopes of closing a deal. Now they are all sweaty and the farangs are all sweaty. What assurance does anyone have that they haven't just come from an ebola infected community or a flat mate has not just arrived in country from an ebola infected country? And then when you consider the number of massage parlors where clients lay on bedding all sweaty and massage ladies make much physical contact ( even the legit establishments), is it just my imagination or is Thailand ripe for a major epidemic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well, I hope the deputy simply has the flu or ate something bad. If he has ebola, he has already come in contact with many people that day and days after. Now THAT worries the heck outta me. I will download I am Legend to feed my paranoia. I think Contagion is the better 'outbreak movie' Good list here - http://www.ranker.com/list/best-movies-with-disease-outbreaks/ranker-film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Someone please help me with this but there are fairly large numbers of West Africans along Lower Sukhumvit and they are always grabbing onto farangs arms in the hopes of closing a deal. Now they are all sweaty and the farangs are all sweaty. What assurance does anyone have that they haven't just come from an ebola infected community or a flat mate has not just arrived in country from an ebola infected country? And then when you consider the number of massage parlors where clients lay on bedding all sweaty and massage ladies make much physical contact ( even the legit establishments), is it just my imagination or is Thailand ripe for a major epidemic? You have a point, but I suspect the time isn't far off at all when most thais will begin treating West African, and maybe all African, visitors as virtually untouchable. I wouldn't be surprised if Immigration doesn't adopt some serious prohibitions against them as well. 'Not a good time to be from that part of the world (or to be collecting stamps in your passport from that part of the world either...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I suggest you read this article from the World Health Organisation which outlines some fact about Ebola transmission - http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/06-october-2014/en/ Here is a list of all the known outbreaks - http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/history/chronology.html And here are the regularly updated WHO situation reports for the current outbreaks - http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/situation-reports/en/ Educate yourself, don't buy into the paranoia and ignore the conspiracy theories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 hawker 9000 "Some say that'd just make conditions in west Africa worse with the people there starting to feel trapped and desperate to flee into other parts of Africa, taking Ebola with them. And if Ebola starts showing up in South or Central America?? The worry is there'll be a new flood of illegals storming the southern border just trying to escape - inevitably bringing it with them". If this hits a city like New York can you imagine the reaction if someone who looks African happens to sneeze in a crowded subway train? Whatever it takes to put a lid on this should be done and if that includes a travel ban then so be it, otherwise there might be a backlash against Africans. Fear can make people do strange things, quickly. If aid workers want to go, I'm sure special arrangements can be made to get them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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