kannot Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Just wondering as after 18 months and no decent staff yet, how did you find your staff?? Ie maid and groundsman type scenario. Ive had Myanmar/ Laos/and hilltribe but no Thai who simply dont want to work on the land at all. For various reasons all went, 1st pair "parents sick" but not really, wanted to come back a few months later, 2nd pair "useless" got rid of them, thrid pair half of them was excellent but his girlfrined was bone idle, we even asked him to dump her and stay on, we got rid of them, later we found out they had split up but we could not get hold of the boy again, last pair "deceitful" used some of our private things when they thought we wouldnt know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 OP I fell for you, it's never easy finding good local staff. I have other friends that are constantly having problems, with theft, not turning up for work, laziness and just disappearing. Have endured it to, but have been lucky over the last 2 years to get a good team of staff. Often, if it is more unskilled jobs we use peoples contacts to see if they know people. From what your describing, you are encountering the usual problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 OP I fell for you, it's never easy finding good local staff. I have other friends that are constantly having problems, with theft, not turning up for work, laziness and just disappearing. Have endured it to, but have been lucky over the last 2 years to get a good team of staff. Often, if it is more unskilled jobs we use peoples contacts to see if they know people. From what your describing, you are encountering the usual problems. Thanks Toady, yes the job really is very simple and we are pretty good to the staff but it goes unappreciated, I suppose we just have to keep having new staff until one set suits the job. They live onsite in a brand new house I built myself, literally block by block, currently we have my Wife's Sister who is excellent BUT she is 48 and has a bad back but her work is faultless, doesnt need to be told anything or shown anything. Sadly we also need a man which we cant find and the Wifes Sister is not really permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Perhaps I am wrong , but didn't we have that discussion before? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I use one university. The new graduates are checked out with the professors and other students. They have a gathering once a year to network and discuss jobs and employers and opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Perhaps I am wrong , but didn't we have that discussion before? Possibly Roo, my memory aint what it used to be?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I use one university. The new graduates are checked out with the professors and other students. They have a gathering once a year to network and discuss jobs and employers and opportunities. Thanks but we are looking for more "grounds" type staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konying Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I use one university. The new graduates are checked out with the professors and other students. They have a gathering once a year to network and discuss jobs and employers and opportunities. Nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 pay good, hire and fire and be friendly. Once you got 1 good one involve him in finding new staff. We have some good staff now but it needed a decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costas2008 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 OP, depends where you are...... If http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/767470-when-in-rome/ follow instruction No 15 of my post. if in Thailand you have to integrate to the way of life and keep saying to yourself "Mai Ben Rai" at least 100 times a day, if you don't want to go mad like me. Never, ever in my life in Thailand found a reliable manual labourer. As you described, Lazy, never come and difficult to find any. And on top of that asking for stupid money, as they thing you are soooooooo rich. Ahhhhhhh, Mai Ben Rai..................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) I use one university. The new graduates are checked out with the professors and other students. They have a gathering once a year to network and discuss jobs and employers and opportunities. Nonsense My stalker. How ya doing today buddy? Yes I made another post but one would think you could come up with something better than a one word flame. There are thousands of successful businesses in Thailand they make hard drives and cars and automotive accessories. Birds of a feather flock together. Ya, trolls flock together and good employees flock together too. People with lazy worthless employees attract more lazy worthless employees. When one goes to college one becomes familiar with the old boys network. There is one in Thailand too but it's more like the old girls network in my experience. Edited October 13, 2014 by thailiketoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somsrisonphimai Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My suggestion would be do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My suggestion would be do it yourself. As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles, more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey. That would be quite a chore to do yourself eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somsrisonphimai Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My suggestion would be do it yourself.As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles, more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey. That would be quite a chore to do yourself eh? OP is talking about finding a maid correct? If he and his wife do not satisfy with a maid's work, perhaps he and his wife could do the work themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My suggestion would be do it yourself.As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles, more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey. That would be quite a chore to do yourself eh? OP is talking about finding a maid correct? If he and his wife do not satisfy with a maid's work, perhaps he and his wife could do the work themselves. Yes, I see what you mean. I was talking on an industrial scale. I get the jobs done around the house by employees/family on their off time so I have an idea that they are hardworking and honest already. I told my wife when we got married that I'm not an electrician or plumber and if she wanted that kind of work done to find someone to do it and I would pay the bills. However that said, I now have purchased a snake, set of plungers, rubber gloves, digital multimeter, wire cutters, wire black tape, duct tape and two ladders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkheat Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have had a lot of trouble finding reliable staff. One new guy was suppose to start today but never turned up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have had a lot of trouble finding reliable staff. One new guy was suppose to start today but never turned up that is lucky.....at least you didn't waste one month training...... The usual thing is "money in advance" and when it gets too much they don't come anymore. Because of that we have to restrict the "money in advance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 My suggestion would be do it yourself.As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles, more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey. That would be quite a chore to do yourself eh? OP is talking about finding a maid correct? If he and his wife do not satisfy with a maid's work, perhaps he and his wife could do the work themselves. Pay attention Somsris.>>>>> maid and gardener/ groundsman its 15 rai of land Ive spent a lot of time dumped in the sh*t by staff and have done it myself but when I pay someone to do it I expect them to do it otherwise why pay em.......its called "a job" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have had a lot of trouble finding reliable staff. One new guy was suppose to start today but never turned up that is lucky.....at least you didn't waste one month training...... The usual thing is "money in advance" and when it gets too much they don't come anymore. Because of that we have to restrict the "money in advance". Gawd , aint that the truth, you train em up real nice and then they bugger off, some are stupid enough to leave part way through a month and expect all their salary..............they dont get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padsterj Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 already been mentioned but best way is find 1 good one then get him to help you look for others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humqdpf Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Stop trying to hire pairs. Hire them as individuals. It is invariably a good idea to get a Thai person to supervise a Thai person. Your wife or someone you can trust to oversee the Thai workers. Some recommend to hire women who are past the usual child-bearing age. I don't think that this is meant in a discriminatory way but it stops the unwanted male attention and women in the post menopause are often good workers. Use the expat network, if it exists in your area. As people die off or move back to Falangland, pick up their staff. Unless you find a real exception, never hire a man. No matter what age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry123 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Stop trying to hire pairs. Hire them as individuals. It is invariably a good idea to get a Thai person to supervise a Thai person. Your wife or someone you can trust to oversee the Thai workers. Some recommend to hire women who are past the usual child-bearing age. I don't think that this is meant in a discriminatory way but it stops the unwanted male attention and women in the post menopause are often good workers. Use the expat network, if it exists in your area. As people die off or move back to Falangland, pick up their staff. Unless you find a real exception, never hire a man. No matter what age. . I don't think that this is meant in a discriminatory way but never hire a man. No matter what age.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerEastWest Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 As time goes on I find that in addition to providing a fun atmosphere to work in, paying well works very well. Somewhere around 15,000+ per month outside of Bangkok. Inside Bangkok 20,000+ Typically, you can't work for less than the above amounts in Thailand with a family and have enough money for a good life. Carefully screening Probation period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deli Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I find it difficult to impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffy Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Try paying them better . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huawei Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Find a good one. Pay them well. Put in a yearly bonus let them help in any additional recruiting. Takes time but it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisF Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Had a night security guard who was supposed to patrol every 30 minutes around the property. Got a strain in his arm and blamed it upon having to rest his head on his hand to go to sleep in the guard hut. Wanted money for the hospital bill..... He never knew I was from Yorkshire.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson468 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My suggestion would be do it yourself.As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles, more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey. That would be quite a chore to do yourself eh? OP is talking about finding a maid correct? If he and his wife do not satisfy with a maid's work, perhaps he and his wife could do the work themselves. If people are prepared to employ others to do jobs that they may well be too busy to do satisfactorily themselves, why should they not employ domestic and gardeners to keep their property nice. Pay a fair wage, treat them nice and one would think that would work, but it has taken us 10 years to find good workers, who are loyal, but of course living on Samui means there is lots of competition for their skills and when hotels and the like are prepared to pay a % of the service charge on top of salary, the hotels seem to win decent staff hands down. We have had our share of "now you see them, now you don't" staff, thiefs and idle bodies, but I think we are now established with a couple of lovely people whom we try to take care of in return for their skills. We are also a very busy couple running a business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Found salary and conditions made no difference in the ones I had, they were either good or bad, mostly not so good Most of them come as " a pair" especially when from Myanmar. Why Myanmar??? well Thais dont want to work in the fields anymore no matter what the pay. There is also the accommodation which is built for " a couple", employing singles means building another room for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerspace Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Put 2 single beds in your workers room. Agree with looking for singles not couples, you lose 1 not 2 when they go. Plus as others have mentioned one can manage the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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