CIA torture report: US raises security ahead of release

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CIA torture report: US raises security ahead of release

WASHINGTON: -- Security has been stepped up at US facilities around the world ahead of the release of a report expected to reveal details of harsh CIA interrogations, the White House says.

Embassies and other sites were taking precautions amid "some indications" of "greater risk", a spokesman said.

A 480-page summary of the Senate report is due to be released on Tuesday.

It is expected to detail the CIA's campaign against al-Qaeda in the aftermath of 9/11.

As well as detailing the controversial methods used by CIA operatives in an effort to extract information from high-value suspects, the report is expected to say harsh interrogations failed to deliver appropriate results.

Publication of the report has been delayed amid disagreements in Washington over what should be made public.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30383924


-- BBC 2014-12-09

[Mango Bob]

As far as I am concern, do whatever you have to do to get information from these terrorist to save innocent peoples lives. And the hell with their civil rights, they have none.

[slipperylobster]

I wonder how that guy got promoted to bushing brooms, there in the photo (See link in OP)

[Ulysses G.]

The CIA tortured some terrorist murderers to extract information to save innocent lives. What is the controversy?

[cloudhopper]

What goes around comes around.

[Seastallion]

As far as I am concern, do whatever you have to do to get information from these terrorist to save innocent peoples lives. And the hell with their civil rights, they have none.

That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground.

[ezzra]

This Obama guy will do anything to sully the US face to the world in his relentless effort to distance

himself from his predecessors,

History will remember his as a president that did all he could to demonise and render his country

an impotent, and all for what? to ass-kiss the Muslim world butts, and what did he get out of it?

ISIS... as a present to his efforts..

[CarlTyson]

This Obama guy will do anything to sully the US face to the world in his relentless effort to distance

himself from his predecessors,

History will remember his as a president that did all he could to demonise and render his country

an impotent, and all for what? to ass-kiss the Muslim world butts, and what did he get out of it?

ISIS... as a present to his efforts..

FOX on the brain.

[Roota]

What is the controversy?

A little something called rule of law.

Much of the world, rightly or wrongly, sees the U.S. as a country that loves to stand on principle, but then feels entitled to break those principles whenever it sees fit.

In any case, full marks to U.S. officials for compiling and releasing this report. That's a fair bit more than most countries would do.

[Mango Bob]

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As far as I am concern, do whatever you have to do to get information from these terrorist to save innocent peoples lives. And the hell with their civil rights, they have none.

That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground.

Do you mean like cutting someone head off? The hell with your moral high ground.

[slipperylobster]

What goes around comes around.

well....exactly. Unfortunately, for those heads that have become separated from their original owners, they can speak not, what you have spoken...

Edited December 9, 2014 by slipperylobster

[Ulysses G.]

This Obama guy will do anything to sully the US face to the world in his relentless effort to distance himself from his predecessors,

The funny thing is that he he continues many of the same policies that he railed about before getting elected. What a hypocrite.

[NeverSure]

"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.
But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

[Anthony5]

This Obama guy will do anything to sully the US face to the world in his relentless effort to distance

himself from his predecessors,

History will remember his as a president that did all he could to demonise and render his country

an impotent, and all for what? to ass-kiss the Muslim world butts, and what did he get out of it?

ISIS... as a present to his efforts..

You mean it was Obama who gave the approval to torture during the Bush administration?

[Seastallion]

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As far as I am concern, do whatever you have to do to get information from these terrorist to save innocent peoples lives. And the hell with their civil rights, they have none.

That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground.

Do you mean like cutting someone head off? The hell with your moral high ground.

YOU said "do whatever...".

Make up your mind.

Your post suggests you prefer the moral low ground. And as I said, that's fine, but you will need to accept your enemies having no morals either.

[NeverSure]

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As far as I am concern, do whatever you have to do to get information from these terrorist to save innocent peoples lives. And the hell with their civil rights, they have none.

That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground.

Do you mean like cutting someone head off? The hell with your moral high ground.

YOU said "do whatever...".

Make up your mind.

Your post suggests you prefer the moral low ground. And as I said, that's fine, but you will need to accept your enemies having no morals either.

Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda has high morals? If we just play nice, they'll play nice too?

To Hell with them. As I said, send them to my house and I'll take them up to the high ground.

[Seastallion]

"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

What's the moral difference between chopping someone's head off and shooting them? Or firing a rocket from a drone at their house? Or a shock and awe campaign?

All I am saying is, ok, go ahead and do whatever....I have no problem with that, IF you also accept your enemies doing "whatever" (which is the word I originally responded to).

[sitti]

As far as I am concern, do whatever you have to do to get information from these terrorist to save innocent peoples lives. And the hell with their civil rights, they have none.

One of the problems is they are not always interrogating the right suspects. Often they wrongfully detain innocent people and torture them. With torture, even if you are innocent, you will confess to anything.

[NeverSure]

This Obama guy will do anything to sully the US face to the world in his relentless effort to distance

himself from his predecessors,

History will remember his as a president that did all he could to demonise and render his country

an impotent, and all for what? to ass-kiss the Muslim world butts, and what did he get out of it?

ISIS... as a present to his efforts..

You mean it was Obama who gave the approval to torture during the Bush administration?

Bush has been gone for 6 years. Obama has been president.

Your point is....?

[Mango Bob]

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"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.
But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

What's the moral difference between chopping someone's head off and shooting them? Or firing a rocket from a drone at their house? Or a shock and awe campaign?

All I am saying is, ok, go ahead and do whatever....I have no problem with that, IF you also accept your enemies doing "whatever" (which is the word I originally responded to).

I accept it, now does shut you up?

[Seastallion]

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Do you mean like cutting someone head off? The hell with your moral high ground.

YOU said "do whatever...".

Make up your mind.

Your post suggests you prefer the moral low ground. And as I said, that's fine, but you will need to accept your enemies having no morals either.

Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda has high morals? If we just play nice, they'll play nice too?

To Hell with them. As I said, send them to my house and I'll take them up to the high ground.

You and Mango seem a bit thick this morning and are not comprehending written English.

Before I explain again...go back and read the dialogue. If you still can't understand, ask me nicely and I will write again in simpler words.

[Seastallion]

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"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

What's the moral difference between chopping someone's head off and shooting them? Or firing a rocket from a drone at their house? Or a shock and awe campaign?

All I am saying is, ok, go ahead and do whatever....I have no problem with that, IF you also accept your enemies doing "whatever" (which is the word I originally responded to).

I accept it, now does shut you up?

Why would you want to shut me up? Now that it's taken you an hour or so to comprehend very simple language, are you embarrassed?

[NeverSure]

"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

What's the moral difference between chopping someone's head off and shooting them? Or firing a rocket from a drone at their house? Or a shock and awe campaign?

All I am saying is, ok, go ahead and do whatever....I have no problem with that, IF you also accept your enemies doing "whatever" (which is the word I originally responded to).

My enemies already do "whatever." Since there is no hope that they would play nice in return for nice, I say kill them.

9/11. Never forget.

[Anthony5]

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"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.

But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

What's the moral difference between chopping someone's head off and shooting them? Or firing a rocket from a drone at their house? Or a shock and awe campaign?

All I am saying is, ok, go ahead and do whatever....I have no problem with that, IF you also accept your enemies doing "whatever" (which is the word I originally responded to).

I accept it, now does shut you up?

Why would you want to shut me up? Now that it's taken you an hour or so to comprehend very simple language, are you embarrassed?

Don't worry, normal reaction from someone who has ran himself into a corner

[Mango Bob]

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"That's fine, if you also do not get outraged when your enemies do the same.
But if you want to be outraged at other groups' methods, you need to remain on the moral highground."

My enemies chop peoples heads off and blow up the Twin Towers.

Send them to my house for a proper interrogation. I'll be sure to take them up to the high ground first.

What's the moral difference between chopping someone's head off and shooting them? Or firing a rocket from a drone at their house? Or a shock and awe campaign?

All I am saying is, ok, go ahead and do whatever....I have no problem with that, IF you also accept your enemies doing "whatever" (which is the word I originally responded to).

I accept it, now does shut you up? alt=facepalm.gif>

Why would you want to shut me up? Now that it's taken you an hour or so to comprehend very simple language, are you embarrassed?

Yes I am embarrassed with your comments. Now back on topic with Never Sure.

[NeverSure]

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Do you mean like cutting someone head off? The hell with your moral high ground.

YOU said "do whatever...".

Make up your mind.

Your post suggests you prefer the moral low ground. And as I said, that's fine, but you will need to accept your enemies having no morals either.

Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda has high morals? If we just play nice, they'll play nice too?

To Hell with them. As I said, send them to my house and I'll take them up to the high ground.

You and Mango seem a bit thick this morning and are not comprehending written English.

Before I explain again...go back and read the dialogue. If you still can't understand, ask me nicely and I will write again in simpler words.

Your words are already simple.

[up-country_sinclair]

I don't see how the benefits that might come from publicly releasing this report outweigh the inevitable negative consequences.

[mania]

The sad problem I see is blowback.

No need to debate which side has rights & which does not as after the black wheel spins a few

times it is impossible to say with impunity for either side.......

as it has become a which came first the chicken or the egg question

Things like this will infuriate the other side just as the things they do infuriates this side.

But the blowback........for both sides is real.

Yes tighten security as you can....great for official sites/embassies countries etc....

but what about Joe Shmoe & his wife Dorthy from east bumfuk Idaho taking a trip to god knows where & have no ties nor any real interest in any of these wars?

They become targets of blowback same as many on the other side just because of where they came from.

They could become a "suspected" terrorist

So maybe things like this behavior being reported is not a problem for those living in the country of origin?

Oh hell yes it isYou think not but the hate is eating the country one bit at a time.

Financially, personal freedoms curtailed in the name of safety etc etc etc

Not to single out this post

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/782638-cia-torture-report-us-raises-security-ahead-of-release/#entry8778141

But this right here is it.....You think the other side does not say the exact same thing?

You think on 9-11 someone woke up & said ..."Hey this seems like a good day to fly into a building"

No it was some form of blowback for actions elsewhere. So where does it end? Especially a open ended war like this?

There is no government to ever surrender. There is no central group to wave a white flag.

There is & never will be any shortage of those on either side who think exactly like the post above I

pointed out....So????? How will it ever end?

It won't....instead the blowback will increase ...for both sides...make more individuals say the same as

the post I pointed out...again on both sides....US will tighten more & more of the personal freedoms citizens

once had ...in the name of safety/security...watch out for that blowback...

Lastly $$$$/debt incurred will increase because that all comes at a cost

Kind of sucks for folks like many of us here that move about in this world & don't really want to have a side but

we too are deemed guilty of our sides actions in the eyes of the others side....Does not matter which side you

choose to insert in that last sentence as the side you come from because it will never matter to those like the post above.

Because the goal is kill them all...even though that is impossible because every one that each side kills births 2 more that are more

angry & more determined to "never forget"

What a mess

Edited December 9, 2014 by mania

[pbay]

I just find it funny that the BBC America/Canada report has the headline,

CIA torture report: US raises security ahead of release

But the BBC UK has the headline for the same story,

CIA report prompts US security alert

and barely mentions torture, they call it harsh CIA interrogations, which is a joke. What I also find funny are all the people on here saying torture is ok because it gets the info but the facts is it did not get any info,maybe they should have tried to read the actual article first before commenting.

[CarlTyson]

From what I have seen, most of the 'torture' resembled fraternity pranks.