John Karr Innocent!

[Tornado]

The news media indeed seemed to jump to conclusions with bad information

Unlike us.

I always thought he was innocent.

The guy's a freakin American hero, dudes ! (subject to the other uncharged offences)

hero???

oh dear.

[LoveDaBlues]

The news media indeed seemed to jump to conclusions with bad information

Unlike us.

I always thought he was innocent.

The guy's a freakin American hero zero, dudes ! (subject to the other uncharged offences)

papa, corrected your spelling

[Papa_Lazarou]

Many other American heroes also troubled

Jesse James (outlaw)

Incredible Hulk (green)

Stone Cold Steve Austin (can of whoop-ass)

Tom Cruise (nutty)

I don't personally think he's a hero, but some nitwitz will pay for his ghost-written biography.

Edited August 29, 2006 by Papa_Lazarou

[Spenthouse]

oh well - he's just a harmless paedophile after all!

[AmeriThai]

(subject to the other uncharged offences)

Oh really? Uncharged? Would you care to elaborate? Inquiring minds would like to know.

[LoveDaBlues]

Many other American heroes also troubled

Jesse James

Incredible Hulk

Stone Cold Steve Austin

Well, if these are your other American heroes I can easily understand how you think Karr

is a hero

TROLL

[Thaiquila]

to be sneering and taunting the authorities with cries of "i told you so" for falling for his delusions is surely missing the point. this country is better off without him .

as for him making vast amounts of money out of this , well even i would credit the american media with more sense than to promote the story of a pornography addicted paedophile who has also confessed to the murder of a child.

I personally was talking about the US MEDIA, namely FOX and CNN.

They have been thoroughly embarassed by this rush to judgement and they deserve to be reviled for their shameless folly. These are truly not news outlets, but rather delivers of propoganda and infotainment.

As far as crediting the American media with anything, you have really got to be kidding. This guy will write at least one book or have a ghostwriter write it, and the world will eat it up. I would bet the house that within 2 years this guy will either be filthy rich or dead because I also think he is a serious suicide risk. He badly needs a very good psychiatrist and also probably a wealth management advisor.

Edited August 29, 2006 by Thaiquila

[mijan24]

Lets wait and see the final outcome remember they (FBI) were interested in this character in connection with another case. They managed to get him back to USA because of the emotion of the publized case.

Has anyone seen this in the Thai Newspapers ??????

[Papa_Lazarou]

as for him making vast amounts of money out of this , well even i would credit the american media with more sense than to promote the story of a pornography addicted paedophile who has also confessed to the murder of a child.

Try working in the commercial media for a New York minute, then revise/rewrite that statement!

[Thaiquila]

Lets wait and see the final outcome remember they (FBI) were interested in this character in connection with another case. They managed to get him back to USA because of the emotion of the publized case.

Has anyone seen this in the Thai Newspapers ??????

Really, what case? I think you are wrong. I also think there is an excellent chance that this man is a pedo in his fantasies only. Now that he is world famous, if there is a real life victim, they will surely come forward. None yet. I bet none ever.

Hes a talker. Hes a (w)anker. According the the Bloom residence, he never went out after 6 PM. You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=112539

Edited August 29, 2006 by Thaiquila

[Papa_Lazarou]

You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

Not so, you can be jailed for possession of kiddy porn irrespective of whether you assault anyone.

[Thaiquila]

You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

Not so, you can be jailed for possession of kiddy porn irrespective of whether you assault anyone.

Yes so.

I agree the porn charges are real and never said differently. He will answer to those minor misdemeanor charges in California. That is a specific charge. Thinking and fantasizing isn't a crime.

However, owning kiddie porn is a crime in many countries and he will have to answer to that.

Nancy Grace just called Thailand again "THE SEX TRADE CAPITAL OF WORLD"

The madness never stops!

[Tornado]

Nancy Grace is a moron.

[LoveDaBlues]

You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

Not so, you can be jailed for possession of kiddy porn irrespective of whether you assault anyone.

Possession of kiddy porn is a crime; has nothing to do with assualting anyone.

Fantasizing about the possession of kiddy porn is not a crime; it is a fantasy.

Your arguments are like your avatar; clownish.

Thaiquila is right; you are wrong. It's not a crime to have criminal creepy fantasies.

[Papa_Lazarou]

Sex trade capital of the world is New York. You can get anything you want there.

It just costs more.

Bangkok has a far more limited range - but is cheap - and thats its only advantage . Just try looking for a 300 kilo Panamanian albino transvestite in Sukumvit Road

[Tornado]

exit stage left.

[LoveDaBlues]

Sex trade capital of the world is New York. You can get anything you want there.

It just costs more.

Bangkok has a far more limited range - but is cheap - and thats its only advantage . Just try looking for a 300 kilo Panamanian albino transvestite in Sukumvit Road

No thanks.....sounds like your fantasy not mine.

[Stephen Cleary]

Lets wait and see the final outcome remember they (FBI) were interested in this character in connection with another case. They managed to get him back to USA because of the emotion of the publized case.

Has anyone seen this in the Thai Newspapers ??????

This has come through on Thai Rath:

Thai Rath

and for all the up-to-date news on the case visit:

Crimeblog.us

This was the first source that delved into the history of John Karr's Internet background. Great info there.

[lannarebirth]

You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

Not so, you can be jailed for possession of kiddy porn irrespective of whether you assault anyone.

Yes so.

I agree the porn charges are real and never said differently. He will answer to those minor misdemeanor charges in California. That is a specific charge. Thinking and fantasizing isn't a crime.

However, owning kiddie porn is a crime in many countries and he will have to answer to that.

Nancy Grace just called Thailand again "THE SEX TRADE CAPITAL OF WORLD"

The madness never stops!

I don't watch TV so I don't know what the media are sayin, but just a couple things about your post. I believe as to the California charges he was tried in abstentia and found guilty. That he is a fugitive is a separate felony charge in most states, and in many cases the time served for being a fugitive from justice is greater than the original charge. Also, Thailand IS "THE SEX TRADE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD".

Edited August 29, 2006 by lannarebirth

[jdinasia]

You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

Not so, you can be jailed for possession of kiddy porn irrespective of whether you assault anyone.

Possession of kiddy porn is a crime; has nothing to do with assualting anyone.

Fantasizing about the possession of kiddy porn is not a crime; it is a fantasy.

Your arguments are like your avatar; clownish.

Thaiquila is right; you are wrong. It's not a crime to have criminal creepy fantasies.

Ummmm guys ...... You need to go back to the original stories .....

1) Karr was convicted in California

2) Karr was never extradited from Thailand, he was deported.

3) Karr was tracked here based upon contacts with people in the USA that gave info not commonly available about the JonBenet crime

4) Karr in obvious good health made damning statements about his own presence and cupability in the Jon Benet death

5) Karr was arrested in the USA based upon his statements in Thailand and on the plane. As well as his earlier correspondence.

6) Karr is likely not going to benefit much from this insanity ... however his family might. He'll likely spend a good deal of time in a Cali jail and there's a good chance he'll die there. He was convicted of sex crimes in the USA and probably could still be brought up on Federal charges for the same crimes.

[Scott]

I think someone needs to look at the actions of the Thai police. First, as I understand it, he was not extradited, he was deported as being an undesirable character. He wasn't charged until he got to California--thus, he wasn't in handcuffs etc. on the plane.

The Thai police basically talked freely to the press about everything the guy said (or they thought he said), or they heard from their friend that he said. I mean they were a journalists heaven. If you noticed, once he landed that was pretty much the end of John Karr speaking to anyone, or anyone speaking to the press (a lawyer or two). That was also the end of his publicized flights etc.

As for the authorities in the States, just think about it. This guy--nutter or not--implicated himself in the murder. What kind of heat would they be taking if they had not pursued the case. There is a dead child and every possible lead needs to be followed up and dealt with.

As for his book deal--maybe, but not particularly likely. This guy has no ability to follow through on anything. He hasn't been able to hold a job, he has gone from place to place. Someone will have to right the book for him, for sure.

[BlimeyCharlie]

Many other American heroes also troubled

Jesse James (outlaw)

Incredible Hulk (green)

Stone Cold Steve Austin (can of whoop-ass)

Tom Cruise (nutty)

I don't personally think he's a hero, but some nitwitz will pay for his ghost-written biography.

You forgot about Chuck Norris.

[Papa_Lazarou]

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Fantasizing about the possession of kiddy porn is not a crime; it is a fantasy.

Your arguments are like your avatar; clownish.

Thaiquila is right; you are wrong. It's not a crime to have criminal creepy fantasies.

Who is making the claim that JMK was merely fantasizing about the possibility of the chance of having the possession of porn? What a bizarre allegation.

But yes, if thats how it was then he's not guilty.

[BlimeyCharlie]

You can have all the criminal creepy fantasies you want. Not a crime.

Not so, you can be jailed for possession of kiddy porn irrespective of whether you assault anyone.

Yes so.

I agree the porn charges are real and never said differently. He will answer to those minor misdemeanor charges in California. That is a specific charge. Thinking and fantasizing isn't a crime.

However, owning kiddie porn is a crime in many countries and he will have to answer to that.

Nancy Grace just called Thailand again "THE SEX TRADE CAPITAL OF WORLD"

The madness never stops!

I don't watch TV so I don't know what the media are sayin, but just a couple things about your post. I believe as to the California charges he was tried in abstentia and found guilty. That he is a fugitive is a separate felony charge in most states, and in many cases the time served for being a fugitive from justice is greater than the original charge. Also, Thailand IS "THE SEX TRADE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD".

I have argued this many times. Although i agree the Thailand maybe the sex trade capital, it's like a drug. If there's a demand for it someone will supply it. And the demand is in Europe. Stop the demand and you'll stop the supply and vise versa, but we know this will never happen. In my opinion the largest child porn industry is in Europe as they demand it. The sad f*ckers need tourching.

[changchang]

Prosecutors drop case in Ramsey slaying By JON SARCHE, Associated Press Writer

BOULDER, Colo. - Prosecutors abruptly dropped their case Monday against John Mark Karr in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey, saying DNA tests failed to put him at the crime scene despite his insistence he sexually assaulted and strangled the 6-year-old beauty queen.

Just a week and a half after Karr's arrest in Thailand was seen as a remarkable break in the sensational, decade-old case, prosecutors suggested in court papers that he was just a man with a twisted fascination with JonBenet who confessed to a crime he didn't commit.

"The people would not be able to establish that Mr. Karr committed this crime despite his repeated insistence that he did," District Attorney Mary Lacy said in court papers.

The 41-year-old schoolteacher will be kept in jail in Boulder until he can be sent to Sonoma County, Calif., to face child pornography charges dating to 2001. An extradition hearing was scheduled for Tuesday.

The district attorney vowed to keep pursuing leads in JonBenet's death: "This case is not closed."

Karr was never formally charged in the slaying. In court papers, Lacy defended the decision to arrest him and bring him back to the United States for further investigation, saying he might have otherwise fled and may have been targeting children in Thailand as well.

Lacy said Karr emerged as a suspect in April after he spent several years exchanging e-mails and later telephone calls with a University of Colorado journalism professor who had produced documentaries on the Ramsey case.

According to court papers, Karr told the professor he accidentally killed JonBenet during sex and that he tasted her blood after he injured her vaginally. But the Denver crime lab conducted DNA tests last Friday on a cheek swab taken from Karr and were unable to connect him to the crime.

"This information is critical because ... if Mr. Karr's account of his sexual involvement with the victim were accurate, it would have been highly likely that his saliva would have been mixed with the blood in the underwear," Lacy said in court papers.

She also said authorities found no evidence Karr was in Boulder at the time of the slaying. She said Karr's family provided "strong circumstantial support" for their belief that he was with them in Georgia, celebrating the Christmas holidays. JonBenet was found beaten and strangled at her Boulder home on Dec. 26, 1996.

Defense attorney Seth Temin expressed outrage that Karr was even arrested.

"We're deeply distressed by the fact that they took this man and dragged him here from Bangkok, Thailand, with no forensic evidence confirming the allegations against him and no independent factors leading to a presumption he did anything wrong," Temin said.

In an interview Monday with MSNBC, Gary Harris, who had been spokesman for the Karr family, said he knew the DNA would not match.

Karr has been "obsessed with this case for a long time. He may have some personality problems, but he's not a killer," Harris said. "He obsesses. He wanted to be a rock star one time. ... He's a dreamer. He's the kind of guy who wants to be famous."

Earlier this month, Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood pronounced Karr's arrest vindication for JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, who had long been suspected in the killing.

On Monday, the attorney said: "From day one, John Ramsey publicly stated that he did not want the public or the media to jump to judgment. He did not want the public or the media to engage in speculation, that he wanted the justice system to take its course."

Wood said he still has great confidence in the district attorney. Patsy Ramsey died of cancer in June.

JonBenet Ramsey's aunt, Pamela Paugh, said she was disappointed there won't be a prosecution of someone in the case, but added: "I think our justice system worked as it was supposed to."

"We asked the DA to do her thing. She did it," said Paugh, who is Patsy Ramsey's sister. "My disappointment came about the end of December 1996 when we didn't have the killer then. We've had 9 1/2 years of disappointment and waiting."

Nate Karr, John Karr's brother, said he was elated by the news. "We're just going to be celebrating with family," he said.

Colorado Gov. Bill Owens blasted prosecutors for wasting thousands of taxpayer dollars to bring Karr to Colorado given such a lack of evidence. The district attorney "should be held accountable for the most extravagant and expensive DNA test in Colorado history," he said.

Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney who has followed the case from the beginning, said prosecutors may now be back at square one in the JonBenet case. He said Karr may be charged with lying about his role in the case.

"Seems to me there should be some criminal consequences," he said. "He has cost the taxpayers an enormous amount of money."

Karr was arrested in Petaluma, Calif., in 2001 on charges of possessing child pornography but fled before he could be tried. Colorado authorities said that after the Boulder case against Karr was dropped, California officials asked that he be turned over to them for prosecution.

In court papers, prosecutors said Karr began exchanging e-mails with professor Michael Tracey in 2002, signing them "D" and later "Daxis." The meaning of "Daxis" was not immediately clear.

At first, Karr seemed to be just someone with an intense interest in the case, but he soon claimed responsibility for the crime, and provided more and more detail about that night, according to court papers. He claimed that he accidentally killed JonBenet during sexual activity that included temporarily asphyxiating her, prosecutors said.

He began telling his story in hopes of being included in a book Tracey was planning to publish, according to the court papers. Authorities eventually traced his calls and identified Daxis as Karr, prosecutors said.

"Are you asking me why I killed JonBenet? I don't see it that way," Karr wrote in a May 22 e-mail. "Her and I were engaging in a romantic and very sexual interaction. It went bad and it was my fault."

The DA's office late Monday provided hours of discussion and pages of grisly details from Karr's correspondence with professor Michael Tracey, who alerted authorities.

Karr described how he hung JonBenet with a rope and slowly strangled her to put her in a "dream-like state" before performing oral sex. He said he tasted her blood after the sex went too far and tried to revive her when he realized she was dead.

"I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms," Karr wrote to the professor in May. "If anyone came close to screaming, it was I. ... 'Please don't leave me. I love you so much. Oh, babydoll, please come back to me!'"

During a July 15 telephone call with Tracey that lasted 100 minutes, Karr — going by the alias Daxis — said he placed a new "necklace around the throat of the child." The garrote was loosened and tightened, and JonBenet stopped breathing.

"Daxis explained again that due to the twitching of JonBenet he was concerned she might be brain dead but her body could continue to survive," according to a summary of the call in the 98-page arrest affidavit. "He did not want JonBenet to suffer, so he struck her in the head with a flashlight he brought with him."

The district attorney said there was no way to take a cheek swab from Karr without alerting him that he was under investigation, and that would have created an "unacceptable risk that he would flee."

Also, Karr was about to start a teaching job in Thailand, and in his correspondence began to describe an interest in several girls "in much the same terms that he had described his interest in JonBenet," Lacy said in court papers.

In a July 19 e-mail, Karr described feeling excited to have two 5-year-olds "flashing their hot little bellybuttons at me" and later how a "naked little foot felt so sexy in my hand."

Authorities confirmed he was involved with at least one of the girls, Lacy said.

___

Associated Press writers Chase Squires in Boulder, Sandy Shore in Denver, Harry R. Weber in Atlanta and Scott Lindlaw in San Francisco contributed to this report.

___

[OldAsiaHand]

I think someone needs to look at the actions of the Thai police....the Thai police basically talked freely to the press about everything the guy said (or they thought he said), or they heard from their friend that he said.

At least they didn't follow the usual routine: make him reenact the crime while they posed with him and shutters clicked all around......

[Thaiquila]

Show me where it is written that Mr. Karr was convicted of any crime, either in California, or anywhere in the world.

I think he was CHARGED, not convicted.

Again, we are presuming his guilt.

My understanding is that he was out on bail, and failed to show for his trial. You can convict someone in absentia? Perhaps, but again, where is it written that he was?

Also, again, these were not serious legal charges under the law, and he will not be doing serious time. I do hope he gets a judge who orders him to get psychiatric help. Along with the wealth advisor.

Edited August 29, 2006 by Thaiquila

[jdinasia]

Show me where it is written that Mr. Karr was convicted of any crime, either in California, or anywhere in the world.

I think he was CHARGED, not convicted.

Again, we are presuming his guilt.

My understanding is that he was out on bail, and failed to show for his trial. You can convict someone in absentia? Perhaps, but again, where is it written that he was?

Also, again, these were not serious legal charges under the law, and he will not be doing serious time. I do hope he gets a judge who orders him to get psychiatric help. Along with the wealth advisor.

According to the Denver Post, Karr was arrested in 2001 in California for five counts of child pornography, said Sgt. Rob Giordano, spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department. When he finally was released on bond, he disappeared and was convicted in absentia. California state records show a John Mark Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645193760,00.html

Or you could go back to the original stories posted here .....

or just google ....

But yes he jumped/skipped bond and was CONVICTED.

edit to use proper terminology and time/frame

Edited August 29, 2006 by jdinasia

[Papa_Lazarou]

Well done JD in Asia.

But Thaiquila and Love Da Blues won't listen to you.

[lingling]

I wonder what spin the Thai authorities will put on this, as they are just too quick to extradite people on flimsey evidence if any at all? Still Karr won't be coming back to Thailand even though he did nothing wrong here!

While the Thai spin will be interesting, I want to hear the US spin....... they had enough evidence to satisfy "Probable Cause" which obtained a warrant signed by a judge, this would also suffice for extradition. ALL that is required for extradition is a warrant from elsewhere, no evidence is taken nor required, UNLESS the extradition is contested, which Karr did not.

How did the prosecutor obtain a warrant?

He was not extradited, he was deported after being declared not welcome in TH.