Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers

[RWA]

If were talking hairstyles, it seemed a little strange that a certain student in Bangkok suddenly had a very different hairstyle when he appeared with his lawyer to explain his innocence!

Also the same student suddenly went into the monkhood as soon as the Burmese were arrested.

Coincidence....maybe.....but could also be something very different..

Oh yes very different. Kindly provide some pics so we can do a comparison. Preferably just before the murder and just after he had his haircut.

Ah yes very suspicious that he went into monk hood. Quite uncommon with guys his age is it?

Maybe if you look at the CCTV which was released by the students lawyer of him entering his University residence the morning after the murders, you will see a very significant different hairstyle to the one when he appeared a few days later to protest his innocence.

Maybe he is a follower of fashion and wanted to look good on TV or maybe.......

[Khun Han]

Still waiting for you to answer the question I put to you that you ignored over and over before;

1. Do you believe that the B2 were tortured?

2. What smoking gun makes you believe that the B2 are guilty?

Two questions that I have already answered before, 1) probably roughed up, played for all that it's worth to gain sympathy and definitely immaterial regarding the verdict.

2) Unbelievable alibi, lies told in court, DNA evidence that the defense was incapable of refuting during the trial.

Now, how about post #2881?

So you admit that the B2 didn't freely admit to the crimes they were accused of? It means the confessions were not real. Confessions which were the sole basis of establishing the B2's guilt at the beginning of the case before the DNA evidence was retrofitted.

It means, according to you, that the whole case is a sham and you are only here defending it because you have an agenda.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Your strawman is kind of cute, but (allegedly) beating someone doesn't magically turn everything they said into lies, and you are ignoring their other confessions to the Human Rights Commission and Myanmar Embassy representatives, not to mention that as I said before, the confession to the police had no part in the verdict.

Also this is completely false "Confessions which were the sole basis of establishing the B2's guilt at the beginning of the case before the DNA evidence was retrofitted."

Last but not least your conclusion doesn't even follow from your nonsensical premises.

One thing though, you forgot to address post #2881, they testified they were not summoned to provide DNA samples before their arrest, there's a photo of one of them doing just that, please explain how you reconcile those two things.

Now, it a certain poster was replying to this post, he would probably start off with a semantics argument about whether they were summoned or turned up of their own free will, and would probably finish with something like 'they probably didn't even understand the significance or purpose of the test anyway'.

[T_Dog]

Good opinion piece in the Nation:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Koh-Tao-debacle-Shoddy-work-from-beginning-to-end-30275967.html

[AleG]

So you admit that the B2 didn't freely admit to the crimes they were accused of? It means the confessions were not real. Confessions which were the sole basis of establishing the B2's guilt at the beginning of the case before the DNA evidence was retrofitted.

It means, according to you, that the whole case is a sham and you are only here defending it because you have an agenda.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Your strawman is kind of cute, but (allegedly) beating someone doesn't magically turn everything they said into lies, and you are ignoring their other confessions to the Human Rights Commission and Myanmar Embassy representatives, not to mention that as I said before, the confession to the police had no part in the verdict.

Also this is completely false "Confessions which were the sole basis of establishing the B2's guilt at the beginning of the case before the DNA evidence was retrofitted."

Last but not least your conclusion doesn't even follow from your nonsensical premises.

One thing though, you forgot to address post #2881, they testified they were not summoned to provide DNA samples before their arrest, there's a photo of one of them doing just that, please explain how you reconcile those two things.

When an entire case is based on just a confession which was extracted from torture then it doesn't look good for a case which has been full of lies and discrepancies since the outset. There isn't one piece of non- discredited evidence against the B2 but many which shown the police lied and fitted them up. You know this, that isn't why you believe their guilt though. Your connection to Koh Tao island was established long ago so you have zero credibility to be impartial on this case.

Like someone else said before, you got the result you wanted and 2 innocent guys are toast because of it. Hope you are happy and I also hope that karma catches up with you. What are you still doing here, surely your job is done and you are no longer on the payroll?

A few posts ago you complained that me and others "continually harp on about petty points to detract from any real conversation", when I asked you nicely, twice, to address a very relevant and on topic point on post #2881 you answer by starting a personal attack based on lies (no, I don't have connections to Koh Tao).

So say again, who is the one that "continually harp on about petty points to detract from any real conversation"?

Are you done with your tantrums and can you, pretty please, give me your take on why the B2 evidently (or at least Zaw Lin) lied in court?

By the way, this is not true "an entire case is based on just a confession which was extracted from torture"; you didn't read the judge's conclusion for the case, did you? The judge specifically ruled out the confessions from the evidence used to reach a guilty verdict.

Edited January 3, 2016 by AleG

[anon7867763]

I posted a link to the "anonymous" facebook page, they have released a lengthy video on the KT case, for some reason its been deleted but never mind, I have no doubt it will be in the international press shortly

Maybe it was a counter hack by the Koh Tao maffia?

It's on YouTube. Just type Anon + KT murders

I tried to post it on FB but it would´nt let me

[KunMatt]

So you admit that the B2 didn't freely admit to the crimes they were accused of? It means the confessions were not real. Confessions which were the sole basis of establishing the B2's guilt at the beginning of the case before the DNA evidence was retrofitted.

It means, according to you, that the whole case is a sham and you are only here defending it because you have an agenda.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Your strawman is kind of cute, but (allegedly) beating someone doesn't magically turn everything they said into lies, and you are ignoring their other confessions to the Human Rights Commission and Myanmar Embassy representatives, not to mention that as I said before, the confession to the police had no part in the verdict.

Also this is completely false "Confessions which were the sole basis of establishing the B2's guilt at the beginning of the case before the DNA evidence was retrofitted."

Last but not least your conclusion doesn't even follow from your nonsensical premises.

One thing though, you forgot to address post #2881, they testified they were not summoned to provide DNA samples before their arrest, there's a photo of one of them doing just that, please explain how you reconcile those two things.

When an entire case is based on just a confession which was extracted from torture then it doesn't look good for a case which has been full of lies and discrepancies since the outset. There isn't one piece of non- discredited evidence against the B2 but many which shown the police lied and fitted them up. You know this, that isn't why you believe their guilt though. Your connection to Koh Tao island was established long ago so you have zero credibility to be impartial on this case.

Like someone else said before, you got the result you wanted and 2 innocent guys are toast because of it. Hope you are happy and I also hope that karma catches up with you. What are you still doing here, surely your job is done and you are no longer on the payroll?

A few posts ago you complained that me and others "continually harp on about petty points to detract from any real conversation", when I asked you nicely, twice, to address a very relevant and on topic point on post #2881 you answer by starting a personal attack based on lies (no, I don't have connections to Koh Tao).

So say again, who is the one that "continually harp on about petty points to detract from any real conversation"?

Are you done with your tantrums and can you, pretty please, give me your take on why the evidently B2 (or at least Zaw Lin) lied in court?

By the way, this is not true "an entire case is based on just a confession which was extracted from torture"; you didn't read the judge's conclusion for the case, did you? The judge specifically ruled out the confessions from the evidence used to reach a guilty verdict.

I never said the trial was based on the confession, the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world.

The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2.

So, like you admit, the confessions were not freely expressed so they are not legal. It's just one of dozens of things that were wrong with the investigation. Luckily for you the B2 were in trial in Thailand, one of the few places that would have found them guilty and sentenced them to death on a police say-so.

[007cableguy]

With English subtitles

Interesting and informative video from the Burmese investigative team

[AleG]

A few posts ago you complained that me and others "continually harp on about petty points to detract from any real conversation", when I asked you nicely, twice, to address a very relevant and on topic point on post #2881 you answer by starting a personal attack based on lies (no, I don't have connections to Koh Tao).

So say again, who is the one that "continually harp on about petty points to detract from any real conversation"?

Are you done with your tantrums and can you, pretty please, give me your take on why the evidently B2 (or at least Zaw Lin) lied in court?

By the way, this is not true "an entire case is based on just a confession which was extracted from torture"; you didn't read the judge's conclusion for the case, did you? The judge specifically ruled out the confessions from the evidence used to reach a guilty verdict.

I never said the trial was based on the confession, the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world.

The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2.

So, like you admit, the confessions were not freely expressed so they are not legal. It's just one of dozens of things that were wrong with the investigation. Luckily for you the B2 were in trial in Thailand, one of the few places that would have found them guilty and sentenced them to death on a police say-so.

"I never said the trial was based on the confession"

You said the entire case was built around the confessions, a trial is where a case is put under judgement, you are backpedaling and it doesn't even make sense.

"the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world."

You are making stuff up as you go, the DNA was not processed on Koh Tao, as for the speed of the results maybe it had something to do with them providing samples days before their arrest, you know, as pointed out on post #2881, the one you are still ignoring, hmmm?

"The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2."

False, and I can easily prove it, according to your theory they nabbed the two, made them confess and that was it. One fly in the ointment though, so they grab to innocent guys, get the confessions and then find out that, amazingly, they picked up as scapegoats the two guys that just happened to "find" David Miller's phone on the night of the murders.

Besides that the DNA found in Witheridge had been sent to several laboratories two weeks before their arrest, for your theory to work every person that worked with those samples is now part of a cover-up, evidence for that, something around zero, yes?

[asiamaster]

I never said the trial was based on the confession, the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world.

The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2.

So, like you admit, the confessions were not freely expressed so they are not legal. It's just one of dozens of things that were wrong with the investigation. Luckily for you the B2 were in trial in Thailand, one of the few places that would have found them guilty and sentenced them to death on a police say-so.

Yes it takes years and years of forensic training to take a DNA swab...

[catsanddogs]

Greenchair, who do you think the local mafia on Koh Tao are? The Burmese migrant workers? Why would the local mafia not want the trial translated into English for the foreign media?

Really I have no idea about this mafia codswallop. I am only interested in the time of 1am to 6am who was where doing what ???and why they were doing that, and how they came to be in the place they are now. The rest is fairy tales and speculation. I don't trust the police. I don't trust the prosecutor. I am interested in the b3 own story.

There are questions, I have about the story. Nobody wants to address it. I don't know why.

One more thing to consider, why would they lie about not having been summoned to have DNA samples taken?

CXsPTXtUMAAGukU.jpg

"The B2 also confirmed in court to the prosecution that they were not randomly tested prior to their arrest."

So why is Zaw Lin waiting in line on the day they were doing the DNA mass collection?

Their story changes like the weather. Really I don't know what to believe anymore.

I remember when you believed that Maung Maung was only wearing one shoe on the CCTV of the morning of the murders. You posted voraciously about this. Take a look at the crime scene photos before someone made changes to it and piled all the victims clothes on a rock neatly. You see there on the beach there is a shoe - a slip on sandal - man's by the looks of it. See it from both angles in various shots of the beach. Could this be the shoe you were hunting for last year Greenchair? It's does not appear in the photo of the clothes piled neatly on the rock - why would that be? What happened to this shoe? I guess there's no way someone removed this shoe from the scene before the official police photos were taken? No, that would not happen I'm sure of it. Maybe it just got washed away to see while Mon was chatting to the police over the dead bodies. Anyway, couldn't have been important or the police would have taken DNA samples of it ((

[KunMatt]

I never said the trial was based on the confession, the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world.

The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2.

So, like you admit, the confessions were not freely expressed so they are not legal. It's just one of dozens of things that were wrong with the investigation. Luckily for you the B2 were in trial in Thailand, one of the few places that would have found them guilty and sentenced them to death on a police say-so.

Yes it takes years and years of forensic training to take a DNA swab...

If the police are going to lie about torturing confessions from the B2, what is to stop them from lying about the DNA samples which was the reason for the guilty verdict?

So you are happy with the B2 being tortured and DNA being taken by somebody who was unqualified and it was used for a death sentence verdict?

[AleG]

One more thing to consider, why would they lie about not having been summoned to have DNA samples taken?

CXsPTXtUMAAGukU.jpg

"The B2 also confirmed in court to the prosecution that they were not randomly tested prior to their arrest."

So why is Zaw Lin waiting in line on the day they were doing the DNA mass collection?

Their story changes like the weather. Really I don't know what to believe anymore.

I remember when you believed that Maung Maung was only wearing one shoe on the CCTV of the morning of the murders. You posted voraciously about this. Take a look at the crime scene photos before someone made changes to it and piled all the victims clothes on a rock neatly. You see there on the beach there is a shoe - a slip on sandal - man's by the looks of it. See it from both angles in various shots of the beach. Could this be the shoe you were hunting for last year Greenchair? It's does not appear in the photo of the clothes piled neatly on the rock - why would that be? What happened to this shoe? I guess there's no way someone removed this shoe from the scene before the official police photos were taken? No, that would not happen I'm sure of it. Maybe it just got washed away to see while Mon was chatting to the police over the dead bodies. Anyway, couldn't have been important or the police would have taken DNA samples of it ((

They did, and also Pornthip's lab when they retested that and other items for the defense, they could not recover any DNA from it; so no need to go on a speculative tangent.

Any comment the B2 lying about providing DNA samples before their arrest?

[asiamaster]

With English subtitles

Interesting and informative video from the Burmese investigative team

Interesting indeed. They state that the UK is withholding evidence. Why would that be?

[rockingrobin]

Greenchair, who do you think the local mafia on Koh Tao are? The Burmese migrant workers? Why would the local mafia not want the trial translated into English for the foreign media?

Really I have no idea about this mafia codswallop. I am only interested in the time of 1am to 6am who was where doing what ???and why they were doing that, and how they came to be in the place they are now. The rest is fairy tales and speculation. I don't trust the police. I don't trust the prosecutor. I am interested in the b3 own story.

There are questions, I have about the story. Nobody wants to address it. I don't know why.

One more thing to consider, why would they lie about not having been summoned to have DNA samples taken?

CXsPTXtUMAAGukU.jpg

"The B2 also confirmed in court to the prosecution that they were not randomly tested prior to their arrest."

So why is Zaw Lin waiting in line on the day they were doing the DNA mass collection?

Waiting in a line yo have their dna tested , does not equate to their dna being taken at the time.

Their could have been a number of reasons,

Left the line before reaching the front

Testing completed for day before reaching the front

The reality we do not know ,

[iReason]

asiamaster:

“I have never set foot on Koh Tao. Closest I have been is Koh Samui and last time i was there is over 15 years ago.”

Ok. That explains a lot.

[asiamaster]

I never said the trial was based on the confession, the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world.

The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2.

So, like you admit, the confessions were not freely expressed so they are not legal. It's just one of dozens of things that were wrong with the investigation. Luckily for you the B2 were in trial in Thailand, one of the few places that would have found them guilty and sentenced them to death on a police say-so.

Yes it takes years and years of forensic training to take a DNA swab...

If the police are going to lie about torturing confessions from the B2, what is to stop them from lying about the DNA samples which was the reason for the guilty verdict?

So you are happy with the B2 being tortured and DNA being taken by somebody who was unqualified and it was used for a death sentence verdict?

All I am saying here is that taking a DNA swab is a very simple procedure that you can also do yourself. You were stating that they processed it on Koh Tao which is not true.

[AleG]

Really I have no idea about this mafia codswallop. I am only interested in the time of 1am to 6am who was where doing what ???and why they were doing that, and how they came to be in the place they are now. The rest is fairy tales and speculation. I don't trust the police. I don't trust the prosecutor. I am interested in the b3 own story.

There are questions, I have about the story. Nobody wants to address it. I don't know why.

One more thing to consider, why would they lie about not having been summoned to have DNA samples taken?

CXsPTXtUMAAGukU.jpg

"The B2 also confirmed in court to the prosecution that they were not randomly tested prior to their arrest."

So why is Zaw Lin waiting in line on the day they were doing the DNA mass collection?

Waiting in a line yo have their dna tested , does not equate to their dna being taken at the time.

Their could have been a number of reasons,

Left the line before reaching the front

Testing completed for day before reaching the front

The reality we do not know ,

First reason is self incriminating.

Second reason I don't buy it, it doesn't take long to take the samples and if next day he didn't show up we are back into self incriminating behaviour.

[asiamaster]

asiamaster:

“I have never set foot on Koh Tao. Closest I have been is Koh Samui and last time i was there is over 15 years ago.”

Ok. That explains a lot.

Add to that: I do hold a Padi Advanced Diver diploma but they last time I went diving was 10 years ago in Koh Chang.

[boomerangutang]

Maybe if you look at the CCTV which was released by the students lawyer of him entering his University residence the morning after the murders, you will see a very significant different hairstyle to the one when he appeared a few days later to protest his innocence.

Maybe he is a follower of fashion and wanted to look good on TV or maybe.......

I watched the entire Anonymous video. A few interesting items which haven't been mentioned in the numerous threads on T.Visa: In the CCTV video of Nomsod crossing the lobby at the students' apt (his only alibi for supposedly not being on the island that night), shows him wearing dirty white shorts - which look like the white shorts worn by Running Man.

After following every twist and turn of this case for over 15 months, here are some stand-outs (it's hard to pick just a few, because there are so many indications of screw-ups by Thai authorities):

>>> losing Hannah's clothes. And not even checking her clothing before the conveniently lost it.

>>> losing the hair, and of course, not diagnosing it before losing it

>>> blatantly lying about the Nomsod's DNA test and it not matching DNA from the crime

>>> dismissing Panya with a promotion (and probably a big clandestine payment) to a BKK desk job and a promise from him to never utter a public word about the case.

>>> Nomsod getting let off permanently with the soggiest of alibis

>>> Mon let off permanently. If he would take a truth serum and tell what he really knows, it would change everything we've heard from RTP.

>>> Head policeman Somyot and wife plopping down a cool $12 million to buy stocks, a few weeks after NS and his uncle were permanently whitewashed as suspects.

>>> No questions for the KT fast boat driver who slept in a cave at Samui, day after crime. Police said he was too drugged to talk to, so cops permanently ignored him.

>>> No checking of NOK flights, no checking of mobile phone activity, no checking of probable suspects: all who are buddies of Mon

>>> Letting Sean go. Not bothering to find or talk to other possible witnesses: MM3, two french girls, MM-DJ

>>> Mysterious deaths of two other farang backpackers, shortly after the initial crime. One was at Mon's g.h.

>>> Police hiding/destroying CCTV along with Mon. Police saying they didn't look at CCTV of a boat leaving island soon after crime because "we didn't think it was important."

......and that's just a partial list. I'm sure other posters here could add dozens of other items proving how the RTP screwed up and/or intentionally skewed evidence and/or purposefully didn't pursue leads. Disgusting. RTP deserves all the bad press it gets from this case.

[rockingrobin]

One more thing to consider, why would they lie about not having been summoned to have DNA samples taken?

CXsPTXtUMAAGukU.jpg

"The B2 also confirmed in court to the prosecution that they were not randomly tested prior to their arrest."

So why is Zaw Lin waiting in line on the day they were doing the DNA mass collection?

Their story changes like the weather. Really I don't know what to believe anymore.

I remember when you believed that Maung Maung was only wearing one shoe on the CCTV of the morning of the murders. You posted voraciously about this. Take a look at the crime scene photos before someone made changes to it and piled all the victims clothes on a rock neatly. You see there on the beach there is a shoe - a slip on sandal - man's by the looks of it. See it from both angles in various shots of the beach. Could this be the shoe you were hunting for last year Greenchair? It's does not appear in the photo of the clothes piled neatly on the rock - why would that be? What happened to this shoe? I guess there's no way someone removed this shoe from the scene before the official police photos were taken? No, that would not happen I'm sure of it. Maybe it just got washed away to see while Mon was chatting to the police over the dead bodies. Anyway, couldn't have been important or the police would have taken DNA samples of it ((

They did, and also Pornthip's lab when they retested that and other items for the defense, they could not recover any DNA from it; so no need to go on a speculative tangent.

Any comment the B2 lying about providing DNA samples before their arrest?

It was stated that the dna from the right sandal did not match the B2 ,

[Darkknight666]

If Panya was wrong with his accusations why no public apology to the "family"?

Not a peep from the guy.

[boomerangutang]

With English subtitles

Interesting and informative video from the Burmese investigative team

Interesting indeed. They state that the UK is withholding evidence. Why would that be?

Similar to the reason they're still withholding evidence from the Kirsty Jones rape/murder in Chiang Mai: UK officialdom cares much more for chummy relations with Thailand (biz connections, not wanting any Thai officials to lose face) then it does for justice for its citizens or the families of Brits murdered in Thailand. We still haven't heard a peep from UK about David's autopsy. Will we ever? Here's the reason: it would differ in many ways from the cursory and unprofessional Thai autopsy. Among other things, it's doubtful UK experts would miss the multiple stab wounds to David's neck and other parts of his body - as Thai forensics did.

At least Kirsty's mother is not afraid to speak her mind. She says unwaveringly that her gov't (UK) is withholding key evidence for the reasons I mentioned above.

[KunMatt]

I never said the trial was based on the confession, the trial was based only on the police's DNA results which a trainee was able to process in their little police outpost on a Thai island faster than anywhere else in the modern world.

The police investigation against the B2 was based on the confessions, after the confessions the police then magically had the DNA connecting them to the case. If it wasn't for the confessions the police had nothing on the B2.

So, like you admit, the confessions were not freely expressed so they are not legal. It's just one of dozens of things that were wrong with the investigation. Luckily for you the B2 were in trial in Thailand, one of the few places that would have found them guilty and sentenced them to death on a police say-so.

Yes it takes years and years of forensic training to take a DNA swab...

If the police are going to lie about torturing confessions from the B2, what is to stop them from lying about the DNA samples which was the reason for the guilty verdict?

So you are happy with the B2 being tortured and DNA being taken by somebody who was unqualified and it was used for a death sentence verdict?

All I am saying here is that taking a DNA swab is a very simple procedure that you can also do yourself. You were stating that they processed it on Koh Tao which is not true.

You didn't answer whether you were happy or not about a death sentence being decided by torture and a trainee?

Officially where was the DNA tested? I've seen the police say Singapore, Koh Samui and Bangkok along the way. In the trial where did they say it was properly tested?

[manxninja]

I said months ago these pair were guilty of the murders.

Now they can rot away. Case closed the Thai Police did their job.

The lesson is don't get that pissed that you don't know what your doing.

[TheLobster]

I posted a link to the "anonymous" facebook page, they have released a lengthy video on the KT case, for some reason its been deleted but never mind, I have no doubt it will be in the international press shortly

Thank you HUH, people may also want to look at the thailandjustice dot com site.

[007cableguy]

I said months ago these pair were guilty of the murders.

Now they can rot away. Case closed the Thai Police did their job.

The lesson is don't get that pissed that you don't know what your doing.

Even with the Micky Mouse evidence ? Your easily fooled!

Love to live on the planet your on !

[rockingrobin]

Really I have no idea about this mafia codswallop. I am only interested in the time of 1am to 6am who was where doing what ???and why they were doing that, and how they came to be in the place they are now. The rest is fairy tales and speculation. I don't trust the police. I don't trust the prosecutor. I am interested in the b3 own story.

There are questions, I have about the story. Nobody wants to address it. I don't know why.

One more thing to consider, why would they lie about not having been summoned to have DNA samples taken?

CXsPTXtUMAAGukU.jpg

"The B2 also confirmed in court to the prosecution that they were not randomly tested prior to their arrest."

So why is Zaw Lin waiting in line on the day they were doing the DNA mass collection?

Waiting in a line yo have their dna tested , does not equate to their dna being taken at the time.

Their could have been a number of reasons,

Left the line before reaching the front

Testing completed for day before reaching the front

The reality we do not know ,

First reason is self incriminating.

Second reason I don't buy it, it doesn't take long to take the samples and if next day he didn't show up we are back into self incriminating behaviour.

Firstly this is speculation on your behalf

Secondly it was presented in court

Thirdly the RTP did not contest this and gave the reason for quick announcement of the analysis result down to using express post

[catsanddogs]

@R.robin - thanks. Does this mean that there was DNA found then and just that it was not of the B2 do you know?

Edited January 3, 2016 by catsanddogs

[manxninja]

007 what Mickey Mouse evidence exactly?

They had a fair trial and were found guilty, sorry you don't like the outcome.

Time to move on.

[TheLobster]

I did:

"Note: Embalming may bring out bruises not necessarily noticed during previous examinations. After embalming, bite marks may remain visible; there may be a lesser chance for their survival in an uneblamed body."

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cR8tAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA236&lpg=PA236&dq=+washout+out+bite+marks+embalming+&source=bl&ots=zaJpgYhltY&sig=-zjFY8GJH3YypWV-AM8o2jPPViw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwja3MKE543KAhWBWhQKHf6JCnYQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=washout%20out%20bite%20marks%20embalming&f=false

So it would appear that embalming tends to do the opposite of what you claim.

Twist it whatever way you want bite marks fade embalmed or not, if this was such a great bit of evidence why did they not bring the person who did the report as a witness?

Instead flying in a dna expert and not letting her take the stand same as Mr Gait form the UK, Andy Hall has a degree in Law but did not realize he had to bring them to the court for the evidence to be admitted.? or rubbish evidence ?

The UK coroner's report was dismissed because the coroner was not available for cross examination; what we know about the issue is the claim that the UK coroner didn't find a bite mark, questions that can be raised during cross examination would be if she didn't find any mark at all or if she found a mark and she didn't/couldn't positively identify it as one done by biting therefore the "no bite mark" statement.

It may very well be a case of difference in judgement between specialists, and seeing how things have been spun in the past it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Misdirection again, the main difference was that there was no 'evidence' of rape. End of.