Security with doors/sliding windows, mosquito mesh.

[Chuckles78]

I've noticed most houses here have mosquito doors inside, glass doors outside. In Australia it was the opposite so you could open/close glass doors from inside without letting bugs in.

Which way do you have it here? And who does it the aussie way here?

I've recently added dead bolts to my main doors after seeing how easy it was to open a standard lock (push button type at handle). Took a guy 5 seconds here just to show me!

My aluminium sliding windows need a extra security so I was thinking of drilling a hole from the inside frame into the outside so i can insert a small bar to lock it. Any other suggestions?

I'm also looking at aussie style steel mosquito mesh doors to let air in the evenings securely. Anyone added these?

[Lamkyong]

interesting i know what you mean made me chuckle no pun intended quite a few of the houses in our village (issan) don't even have doors maybe some sort of hanging blanket at night or if a specialist home maybe a bit or corrugated roofing sheet for real security

[lopburi3]

A simple broomstick is about as good as it gets for sliding window lock.

[Chuckles78]

A simple broomstick is about as good as it gets for sliding window lock.

A good tip if your window slides on the inside.

But i would be placing the stick on the outside of the house as my windows are installed in reverse here.

[Morgan Wu]

In all other parts of the world the mosquito net is on the outside.

[mjnaus]

A simple broomstick is about as good as it gets for sliding window lock.

This would only work if the second window does not slide. In my case, the second window slides on the outside rail, so a broom/wooden stick alone does not do the trick.

Here's what I did:

1. I drilled holes through the window frames so I can stick a nail or metal pin in there to lock the windows or sliding doors in place.

2. On some windows I used a simple sliding to secure one of the windows in place and then place a wooden stick in the inside rail to secure the second window.

It's not full proof, but these measures make it difficult enough to quickly enter our house. That said, I still feel that our 45kg German shepherd is the best security measure we currently have in place

[Chuckles78]

This would only work if the second window does not slide. In my case, the second window slides on the outside rail, so a broom/wooden stick alone does not do the trick.

Here's what I did:

1. I drilled holes through the window frames so I can stick a nail or metal pin in there to lock the windows or sliding doors in place.

2. On some windows I used a simple sliding to secure one of the windows in place and then place a wooden stick in the inside rail to secure the second window.

It's not full proof, but these measures make it difficult enough to quickly enter our house. That said, I still feel that our 45kg German shepherd is the best security measure we currently have in place

Good tips! I'm drilling mine soon too. Like you say it's about slowing down any entry attempts and most standard locks here a useless.

These look like they would work well too:

Edited March 19, 2016 by Chuckles78

[Torrens54]

If you find the MESH, please let me know as the stuff here is of little or no value, certainly as far as would-be intruders are concerned.

The Cut Broom-stick is okay but I noticed a few people showing window locks. Probably get them at GLOBAL in Chiang Mai.

[Chuckles78]

I found only one company online that seems to offer this security mesh. They are in Chiang Mai. Has anyone visited them?

http://www.meshtec.com/products/product-range/

Edited March 20, 2016 by Chuckles78

[The Big Mango]

^^ There screens are great quality but get ready for rhe cost im afraid.

Budget @ around 10k thb per square meter. At least that what a friend paid ( bkk )

[ozvenison]

Surely its as simple as installing them the 'correct' way?

And when I say the correct way I mean with the screens on the outside as the rest of the world does

I was told this was possible?

[lopburi3]

Perhaps not if you want to keep the water out - the rain hits rather hard here and suspect leakage issues is why it is done as it is. But do not know that for a fact.

[ozvenison]

Perhaps not if you want to keep the water out - the rain hits rather hard here and suspect leakage issues is why it is done as it is. But do not know that for a fact.

yes I heard that when they first imported the windows they installed them back to front because of the backspalsh

... TIT to continue and not fix

[wayned]

The proper aluminum extrusions to have the screens on the outside without water intrusion doesn't seem to be available here. All that is available is extrusions that are slated down and away from the screen channel. When I built my house I told the window man that I wanted the screens on the outside and he said no problem. He measured the openings for the windows and said that it would take 4 weeks. I left the building site and went to help my wife run our business in Samui. 4 days later my SIL called and said that the windows had been installed so I went back. Sure enough the screens were on the outside and when you sprayed them with a hose the water drained on the floor on the inside. I left them as they were knowing what the problem was but I have car ports on both sides of the house with a 2.5 meter front porch and a large overhang on the back. Water intrusion has never been a problem unless you try to power wash the Windows. It really only makes sense to have the screens on the outside so you don't have to open the screen letting all of the bugs in when you want to open/close the windows. My screen/security doors are also on the outside and all interior doors open into the rooms, not out. The only doors that open out are the closet doors. Walk-in closets don't seem t be very popular here either. I have walk-in closets in the bedrooms, a large pantry closet off of the hall, a large closet in the living area and a large storage closet on one of the carports.

Live and learn the hard way!

[codybell]

Well, It's really a nice idea of having a mosquito door outside and glass door inside, as it may help not to let bugs enter inside. I remember one of my friend also had implemented a similar concept for not letting bugs inside the house, but a few days ago I got to hear from him that he is still fed up with the problems of bugs and Booklice, damaging his home furniture. Than One of his neighbour recommended him to get help from the Pest Exterminator to get a permanent solution to Bug/Mosquito problem.

Edited June 8, 2016 by cdnvic
Removed commercial link.

[canopy]

Screens on the outside are what you want. As mentioned you can open and close windows without inviting all waiting flies, mosquitoes, and geckos to jump in. Security screens placed outside also protects your windows from balls and flying objects from heavy winds. Security screens are uber expensive; probably way more expensive than your windows. majestec.co.th and winmasterthai.com sell them.

[kannot]

glass breaks easily , theres your weakspot

[luwahn]

glass breaks easily , there's your weak spot

You will change your mind after checking out the video (from the 2:45 min mark) of the homepage of this website (listed above in post #9) http://majestec.co.th/

I hope their quote doesn't break the bank.

[kannot]

glass breaks easily , there's your weak spot

You will change your mind after checking out the video (from the 2:45 min mark) of the homepage of this website (listed above in post #9) http://majestec.co.th/

I hope their quote doesn't break the bank.

youll need a centre punch and small hammer, hitting it with a large bag and a few feet wont provide the force needed or do they use laminated glass?

They might have a problem with these as battery powered tools are becoming more widespread , just strap on a metal disc an doff you go

http://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Grinders-Angle-Grinders/Cordless/N-5yc1vZc2fwZ1z140i3

start at $39

Edited June 6, 2016 by kannot

[wpcoe]

I thought the problem in Thailand with installing the screen/window positions "backwards" -- i.e. with screen on the outside, glass/door on the inside -- was that the drainage for Thai configurations was designed to flow the water toward the glass side (i.e. into the room when reversed, instead of out to the outdoors)?

[wayned]

The extrusions that I have seen are made for the screens to be installed on the inside. They are slanted so that any water flows toward the glass, so if you install them with the screens on the outside any water that hits the screens/glass will drain inside. All of my windows have the screens installed on the outside, but I have a substantial overhang, 2.5 meters on front and back and carports on both ends. If I power wash the windows I would have a flood inside but I understand the potential problem and like the screens on the outside.

All of my doors are also installed the "American" way with the doors opening into the house or rooms and the screen/security doors opening out. The only interior doors that open out are the doors on the walk-in closets, the pantry and an outside storage room. The security bars are installed on the inside and they create another problem which is access for washing the windows.

In the end bugs, field mice, birds and an occasional snake are common house guests as I live in the boonies.

[canopy]

Slanted so water flows towards the glass? And a screen helps keep water out? This is not making any sense. Can you make a picture of what you are talking about?

[wayned]

See the attachment, it makes sense to me. All of mine are installed with the screens on the outside and would have the water intrusion problem if I did not have the extreme overhang. Power washing is not an option, Windex and newspaper are used to wash the windows.

window installation.pdf

[canopy]

Great to see a picture of what you were describing. I have never seen a sill designed like that and it is not correct for shedding rain. If wanting the screen on the outside that properly sheds rain, here is one method:

The diagram shows a gap between the screen and window, however they should be flush against each other if possible. Another solution is some screens can be face mounted on the exterior wall.

[wayned]

Basically the same as what I drew minus the track for the screen and window to ride on. The only problem is that here the window is installed where the screen is and and the screen where the window is.

[wpcoe]

Great to see a picture of what you were describing. I have never seen a sill designed like that and it is not correct for shedding rain. If wanting the screen on the outside that properly sheds rain, here is one method:

sill3.jpg

The diagram shows a gap between the screen and window, however they should be flush against each other if possible. Another solution is some screens can be face mounted on the exterior wall.

I would guess that that is exactly how the window/screen assembly is designed and built in the west, but have you actually seen that in Thailand?

[canopy]

have you actually seen that in Thailand?

Yeah I have, at my place . To do this method you'll need thicker walls than the usual 7.5cm block though even in that case face mounted screens can be used. Here is why you want your screens outside:

• You can open and close the windows without bugs, geckos, mosquitoes, and flies jumping in
• similarly, never waste time fiddling with screens to open and close a window
• The security screens protect the glass from balls and flying objects in strong storms
• The security screens are visible as a deterrent where inside they are invisible and the house looks totally unprotected

Edited June 9, 2016 by canopy

[wayned]

Do your doors open into the house with the screens/security doors opening out so that you can open/close the doors without opening the screen/security doors?

[canopy]

yes--screen doors open out and physical doors open in. i like this arrangement, it feels natural, and as another mentioned it is typical in other countries. Screen doors on the outside share the same list of advantages i mentioned earlier that window screens on the outside get which is particularly attractive for security screens.

i like security screens because they cover 2 things at once--they are an insect screen and provide security both. For security, others may prefer roller shutters or window bars and/or security doors. For the dual purpose reason i also prefer blinds in insulated glass--two functions are covered by the window. winmaster mentioned earlier carries blinds in insulated glass and the gap is still able to be argon filled.

[wpcoe]

have you actually seen that in Thailand?

Yeah I have, at my place . To do this method you'll need thicker walls than the usual 7.5cm block though even in that case face mounted screens can be used. Here is why you want your screens outside:

• You can open and close the windows without bugs, geckos, mosquitoes, and flies jumping in
• similarly, never waste time fiddling with screens to open and close a window
• The security screens protect the glass from balls and flying objects in strong storms
• The security screens are visible as a deterrent where inside they are invisible and the house looks totally unprotected

Thanks. Good to know that such systems are available in Thailand. I totally agree with being able to open/close windows without letting critters in/out. May I ask what brand and/or where you bought it?