UK to face EU migration 'free-for-all', warns Michael Gove

[webfact]

UK to face EU migration 'free-for-all', warns Michael Gove

LONDON: -- The UK will face a future migration "free-for-all" unless it leaves the European Union, Justice Secretary Michael Gove has warned.

Writing in the Times, he said any future expansion of the EU would pose a "direct and serious threat" to public services in the UK, including the NHS.

Meanwhile, Home Secretary Theresa May is to argue being in the EU improves Britain's "clout" in the world.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36126993


-- BBC 2016-04-25

[jope]

Hah, just the usual scaremongering. Oh, wait, I forgot: it is only scaremongering when people who want to stay in the European Union use it.

[Credo]

It is nice to see that the issue is being discussed on many different levels and that there is such a healthy and free exchange of views.

Whatever the outcome, it should not be because the public was hoodwinked.

Best of luck to the UK!

[Grouse]

The words straws and clutching spring to mind

He's a bit odd

[ourmanflint]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

[jope]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

[Chicog]

Since Merkel is about to hand the Turks the keys, the sooner Britain pulls out the better.

[billd766]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Have you forgotten Turkey and its 75,000,000 population or even forgotten that Turkish is now (even before they join this year) an official EU language?

[jope]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Have you forgotten Turkey and its 75,000,000 population or even forgotten that Turkish is now (even before they join this year) an official EU language?

Turkey will NOT join the EU this year! Turkey was granted the status as an applicant some years ago. Because they made no sufficient progress the negotiations were suspended and will be resumed this year as part of the refugee-deal. I cannot see that Turkey will make more progress in the future (at least not under the current government). So, no danger on that font.

Turkish is NOT an official EU-language. It is an official language on Cyprus only, which makes sense considering how many people of Turkish origin live there.

[jope]

Since Merkel is about to hand the Turks the keys, the sooner Britain pulls out the better.

I understand what you mean. But just as a reminder: at the time, Germany (supported by our French brother and sisters) were strictly against Turkey becoming an EU-applicant while the British supported the Turkish wish to join. So, first you force them onto us and then you leave. Great! (don't take this too serious :-) )

[TommyUK1960]

I've got to the stage where I don't care what the UK does as long as my private pension company keeps on paying me.

The UK will be forced to stay in the EU as Brussels has now where else to scrounge the money from.

I personally believe the only way out is when people take to the streets and start fighting. Note sure the British youth is up to that.

[jope]

I've got to the stage where I don't care what the UK does as long as my private pension company keeps on paying me.

The UK will be forced to stay in the EU as Brussels has now where else to scrounge the money from.

I personally believe the only way out is when people take to the streets and start fighting. Note sure the British youth is up to that.

I could think or one or two member states that would be "happy" to take over your share. I do not think that Brussels is too worried about the British contributions. Mainly Germany and France will simply step in. What else could we do?

[Toscano]

As I see it , the EU provides a bigger stage for a UK prime minister to prance and cavort upon .

but the EU doesn't carry any weight world wide . The EU is an under performing free trade area , but politically is a nonentity , it's an ally to the US that manipulates it .

[billd766]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Have you forgotten Turkey and its 75,000,000 population or even forgotten that Turkish is now (even before they join this year) an official EU language?

Turkey will NOT join the EU this year! Turkey was granted the status as an applicant some years ago. Because they made no sufficient progress the negotiations were suspended and will be resumed this year as part of the refugee-deal. I cannot see that Turkey will make more progress in the future (at least not under the current government). So, no danger on that font.

Turkish is NOT an official EU-language. It is an official language on Cyprus only, which makes sense considering how many people of Turkish origin live there.

OK so therefore none of these sites are correct, and only you are.

http://handsonturkish.com/turkish-official-eu-language/

http://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/meps-call-for-turkish-becoming-eu-language/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/661689/Turkey-EU-member-language

http://www.france24.com/en/20160419-eu-parliament-turkish-25th-official-language-cyprus-anastasiades

[razer]

Whatever your feelings about Brexit, this is an interesting read.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7774/uk-eu-brexit

[Ulic]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Dude, not sure you have heard but Turkey has negotiated a fast track to EU membership. Now

I don't really believe the EU is negotiating in good faith but all Turkey really needs is visa free

EU travel. Then when you get to the UK start working. If on the off chance you get caught you

claim asylum. That takes a year or two. Then when denied you change your address and

throw away your passport/ID. If on the off chance you are caught again as you have no

passport/travel documents you cannot be deported. The fastest Turkey will issue a new

passport is 1 year, maybe longer. In the meantime unless you have committed a major crime

you are free to wander. When a new passport is finally issued by Turkey, the immigration

department has to find you again. If on the off chance they do, you will not be deported if

you have a child under 2 years of age. The process is so long and with so many obstacles

it can easily take a decade or more. In the mean time you have had 3-4 children, maybe

married UK national. It is unlikely you will ever be deported. make no mistake the Turks

will arrive by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.

[jope]

...

Have you forgotten Turkey and its 75,000,000 population or even forgotten that Turkish is now (even before they join this year) an official EU language?

Turkey will NOT join the EU this year! Turkey was granted the status as an applicant some years ago. Because they made no sufficient progress the negotiations were suspended and will be resumed this year as part of the refugee-deal. I cannot see that Turkey will make more progress in the future (at least not under the current government). So, no danger on that font.

Turkish is NOT an official EU-language. It is an official language on Cyprus only, which makes sense considering how many people of Turkish origin live there.

OK so therefore none of these sites are correct, and only you are.

http://handsonturkish.com/turkish-official-eu-language/

http://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/meps-call-for-turkish-becoming-eu-language/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/661689/Turkey-EU-member-language

http://www.france24.com/en/20160419-eu-parliament-turkish-25th-official-language-cyprus-anastasiades

In this regard, I solely trust information given by the European Commission:

http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/linguistic-diversity/official-languages-eu_en.htm

By the way, there are people in this world who actually request Russian to be an official EU-language. But it is not going to happen...

[jope]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Dude, not sure you have heard but Turkey has negotiated a fast track to EU membership. Now

I don't really believe the EU is negotiating in good faith but all Turkey really needs is visa free

EU travel. Then when you get to the UK start working. If on the off chance you get caught you

claim asylum. That takes a year or two. Then when denied you change your address and

throw away your passport/ID. If on the off chance you are caught again as you have no

passport/travel documents you cannot be deported. The fastest Turkey will issue a new

passport is 1 year, maybe longer. In the meantime unless you have committed a major crime

you are free to wander. When a new passport is finally issued by Turkey, the immigration

department has to find you again. If on the off chance they do, you will not be deported if

you have a child under 2 years of age. The process is so long and with so many obstacles

it can easily take a decade or more. In the mean time you have had 3-4 children, maybe

married UK national. It is unlikely you will ever be deported. make no mistake the Turks

will arrive by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.

I see your point. And I would not rule that out.

But a long time ago something similar was predicted when the Polish received their freedom of movement. People saw millions of Polish flooding Germany and our social system. Actually, absolutely nothing happened.

I am hoping that that will also happen with the Turkish. Please leave me my optimism.

[Pimay1]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Dude, not sure you have heard but Turkey has negotiated a fast track to EU membership. Now

I don't really believe the EU is negotiating in good faith but all Turkey really needs is visa free

EU travel. Then when you get to the UK start working. If on the off chance you get caught you

claim asylum. That takes a year or two. Then when denied you change your address and

throw away your passport/ID. If on the off chance you are caught again as you have no

passport/travel documents you cannot be deported. The fastest Turkey will issue a new

passport is 1 year, maybe longer. In the meantime unless you have committed a major crime

you are free to wander. When a new passport is finally issued by Turkey, the immigration

department has to find you again. If on the off chance they do, you will not be deported if

you have a child under 2 years of age. The process is so long and with so many obstacles

it can easily take a decade or more. In the mean time you have had 3-4 children, maybe

married UK national. It is unlikely you will ever be deported. make no mistake the Turks

will arrive by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.

I see your point. And I would not rule that out.

But a long time ago something similar was predicted when the Polish received their freedom of movement. People saw millions of Polish flooding Germany and our social system. Actually, absolutely nothing happened.

I am hoping that that will also happen with the Turkish. Please leave me my optimism.

Do you think the Turkish people will assimilate with the UK culture?

[dick dasterdly]

Oh good, yet another scaremongering argument - only this time from the 'stay in' campaigners .

It would be appreciated by everyone if facts could be put forward, with addendums that 'x may happen if the UK leaves the EU' - rather than possibilities being presented as facts.

[jope]

...

Do you think the Turkish people will assimilate with the UK culture?

I guess, few would assimilate but most would adjust. It would not be different from the situation in Germany nowadays. But Turkish are a minor problem for the UK. Most Turkish will see Germany as their dream destination. And in that regard I am moderately optimistic that the numbers will not be in the hundreds of thousands or even millions.

[NeverSure]

European Ministers Lay out Explicit Plan to Create United States of Europe

European ministers have explicitly laid out their intentions to create a federal Unites States of Europe, directly contradicting the British Prime Minister, David Cameron’s claims that Britain will not be sucked into a European superstate should the people of Britain vote to remain within the European Union (EU).

Presenting his renegotiated deal on EU membership in February, Mr Cameron insisted: “Britain will be permanently out of ever closer union, never part of a European super-state.”

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[billd766]

I've got to the stage where I don't care what the UK does as long as my private pension company keeps on paying me.

The UK will be forced to stay in the EU as Brussels has now where else to scrounge the money from.

I personally believe the only way out is when people take to the streets and start fighting. Note sure the British youth is up to that.

I could think or one or two member states that would be "happy" to take over your share. I do not think that Brussels is too worried about the British contributions. Mainly Germany and France will simply step in. What else could we do?

Do you really think that the people of France and Germany will simply say "If the UK does a Brexit we will happily pay extra taxes to support the EU"?

If their governments do that then they will most probably be tossed out at their next election. Angela Merkel and her party will certainly lose anyway. So who will be left as net contributors if the UK leaves?

IMHO the EU as it is now will be changed out of all recognition by 2020 and will be on its way to its own breakup.

[billd766]

...

Have you forgotten Turkey and its 75,000,000 population or even forgotten that Turkish is now (even before they join this year) an official EU language?

Turkey will NOT join the EU this year! Turkey was granted the status as an applicant some years ago. Because they made no sufficient progress the negotiations were suspended and will be resumed this year as part of the refugee-deal. I cannot see that Turkey will make more progress in the future (at least not under the current government). So, no danger on that font.

Turkish is NOT an official EU-language. It is an official language on Cyprus only, which makes sense considering how many people of Turkish origin live there.

OK so therefore none of these sites are correct, and only you are.

http://handsonturkish.com/turkish-official-eu-language/

http://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/meps-call-for-turkish-becoming-eu-language/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/661689/Turkey-EU-member-language

http://www.france24.com/en/20160419-eu-parliament-turkish-25th-official-language-cyprus-anastasiades

In this regard, I solely trust information given by the European Commission:

http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/linguistic-diversity/official-languages-eu_en.htm

By the way, there are people in this world who actually request Russian to be an official EU-language. But it is not going to happen...

I wouldn't trust the EU Commission to dig a hole in the ground as it would take at least 5 years to get an agreement.

The reason that Turkish is/will be an EU language is that Turkey with 75,000,000 people will be in the EU perhaps this year and certainly within a year.

The Russian language will not be official as Russia has not formally applied to join the EU.

There is a possibility that the Welsh language may be granted official status along with Scottish Gaelic.

If that happens then EVERY single document issued by the EU will HAVE to be translated (with no mistakes) into 27 different languages. This of course will require hundreds of extra translator jobs all to be paid for by the shrinking money pot from the EU.

More highly paid jobs for the girls and boys.

[soc]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Morocco has made several applications to join.

May be others, not sure.

[Bangkokhatter]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

And which countries will that be?

Currently, there are NO countries that would have the slightest chance to join (except for Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, and these have no intention to do so right now). And those countries with the applicant-status have years and years ahead of them and I do not see any of them doing their homework properly. So, no new members in the foreseeable future.

Dude, not sure you have heard but Turkey has negotiated a fast track to EU membership. Now

I don't really believe the EU is negotiating in good faith but all Turkey really needs is visa free

EU travel. Then when you get to the UK start working. If on the off chance you get caught you

claim asylum. That takes a year or two. Then when denied you change your address and

throw away your passport/ID. If on the off chance you are caught again as you have no

passport/travel documents you cannot be deported. The fastest Turkey will issue a new

passport is 1 year, maybe longer. In the meantime unless you have committed a major crime

you are free to wander. When a new passport is finally issued by Turkey, the immigration

department has to find you again. If on the off chance they do, you will not be deported if

you have a child under 2 years of age. The process is so long and with so many obstacles

it can easily take a decade or more. In the mean time you have had 3-4 children, maybe

married UK national. It is unlikely you will ever be deported. make no mistake the Turks

will arrive by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.

I see your point. And I would not rule that out.

But a long time ago something similar was predicted when the Polish received their freedom of movement. People saw millions of Polish flooding Germany and our social system. Actually, absolutely nothing happened.

I am hoping that that will also happen with the Turkish. Please leave me my optimism.

Probably because they all ended up in the UK.

[dick dasterdly]

European Ministers Lay out Explicit Plan to Create United States of Europe

European ministers have explicitly laid out their intentions to create a federal Unites States of Europe, directly contradicting the British Prime Minister, David Cameron’s claims that Britain will not be sucked into a European superstate should the people of Britain vote to remain within the European Union (EU).

Presenting his renegotiated deal on EU membership in February, Mr Cameron insisted: “Britain will be permanently out of ever closer union, never part of a European super-state.”

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I've no doubt that the EU plan a Federal State of Europe, but am undecided as to whether this is better or worse than the UK govt. being left to its own devices when it comes to the average working person in the UK, let alone those in poorly paid jobs.

The UK fought the maximum working hours directive (or whatever it was called) tooth and nail - and I can only see this getting worse if they aren't held in line by EU decisions.

[Dustdevil]

I think he's underselling it. I work in London and the number of Romanians working and living here now is huge, by the end of this year the Romanian population of UK will be 4-5 x bigger than the government predicted back when they opened the gates. The same will happen when the next batch of countries join the EU, but on an even larger scale as the new countries joining are even poorer. If we don't leave the EU we are finished as a country well and truly.

Seems to me the biggest threat to Europe as a whole is Muslim immigration and migration.

[sanukjim]

So the thousands that France allows in will no longer have to sneak in to The UK ? They will just be free to come in and enjoy all the free handouts from the government ?

[jope]

...

Have you forgotten Turkey and its 75,000,000 population or even forgotten that Turkish is now (even before they join this year) an official EU language?

Turkey will NOT join the EU this year! Turkey was granted the status as an applicant some years ago. Because they made no sufficient progress the negotiations were suspended and will be resumed this year as part of the refugee-deal. I cannot see that Turkey will make more progress in the future (at least not under the current government). So, no danger on that font.

Turkish is NOT an official EU-language. It is an official language on Cyprus only, which makes sense considering how many people of Turkish origin live there.

OK so therefore none of these sites are correct, and only you are.

http://handsonturkish.com/turkish-official-eu-language/

http://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/meps-call-for-turkish-becoming-eu-language/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/661689/Turkey-EU-member-language

http://www.france24.com/en/20160419-eu-parliament-turkish-25th-official-language-cyprus-anastasiades

In this regard, I solely trust information given by the European Commission:

http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/linguistic-diversity/official-languages-eu_en.htm

By the way, there are people in this world who actually request Russian to be an official EU-language. But it is not going to happen...

I wouldn't trust the EU Commission to dig a hole in the ground as it would take at least 5 years to get an agreement.

The reason that Turkish is/will be an EU language is that Turkey with 75,000,000 people will be in the EU perhaps this year and certainly within a year.

The Russian language will not be official as Russia has not formally applied to join the EU.

There is a possibility that the Welsh language may be granted official status along with Scottish Gaelic.

If that happens then EVERY single document issued by the EU will HAVE to be translated (with no mistakes) into 27 different languages. This of course will require hundreds of extra translator jobs all to be paid for by the shrinking money pot from the EU.

More highly paid jobs for the girls and boys.

Again: there is NO way for Turkey to become member of the EU as long as their government does not change their politics dramatically (not to mention other "tiny" obstacles like their attitude towards Cyprus). With the current refugee crisis not solved, fundamental rights violations might be tolerated within Turkey but there is no way the EU would accept such a state within the union. And it only takes one member state to veto the membership. Turkey will not join the union, neither this year nor any time soon. What was the word? Scaremongering?