North Korean media issues rare criticism of China over nuclear warnings

[webfact]

North Korean media issues rare criticism of China over nuclear warnings

REUTERS
 

North Korean soldiers observe from a vessel on the Yalu river, near the Chinese border city of Dandong, May 2, 2017. Picture taken May 2, 2017. Picture taken from the Chinese side of the Yalu River. REUTERS/Jacky Chen

 

REUTERS - North Korea's state media published a rare criticism of China on Wednesday, saying Chinese state media commentaries calling for tougher sanctions over Pyongyang's nuclear program were undermining relations with Beijing and worsening tensions.

 

A commentary carried by the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) referred to recent commentaries in China's People's Daily and Global Times newspapers, which it said were "widely known as media speaking for the official stand of the Chinese party and government."

 

"A string of absurd and reckless remarks are now heard from China every day only to render the present bad situation tenser," it said.

 

"China had better ponder over the grave consequences to be entailed by its reckless act of chopping down the pillar of the DPRK-China relations," the commentary said, referring to North Korea by the acronym for its official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

 

China is North Korea's neighbor and only major ally and the United States has pressed it to use its influence to rein in North Korea's nuclear and missile programs. Diplomats say Washington and Beijing are negotiating a possible stronger U.N. Security Council response - such as new sanctions - to North Korea's repeated ballistic missile launches.

 

The KCNA commentary charged that the Chinese articles had attempted to shift the blame to Pyongyang for "deteriorated relations" between China and North Korea and U.S. deployment of strategic assets to the region.

 

It also accused China of "hyping up" damage caused by North Korean nuclear tests to China's three northeastern provinces.

 

Chinese state media calls for North Korea to dismantle its nuclear program were "a wanton violation of the independent and legitimate rights, dignity and supreme interests" of North Korea and constituted "an undisguised threat to an honest-minded neighboring country which has a long history and tradition of friendship," it said.

 

The KCNA commentary said calls by "some ignorant politicians and media persons" in China for stricter sanctions on North Korea and not ruling out military intervention if it refused to abandon its nuclear program, were "based on big-power chauvinism."

 

It said North Korea's nuclear program was needed for the "existence and development" of the country and "can never be changed nor shaken."

 

"The DPRK will never beg for the maintenance of friendship with China," the commentary said.

 

Earlier on Wednesday, China called on all parties in the Korean standoff to stay calm and "stop irritating each other" a day after North Korea said the United States was pushing the region to the brink of nuclear war.

 

(Reporting by David Brunnstrom in Washington; Editing by Frances Kerry)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-05-04

[anotheruser]

Even China is beginning to openly acknowledge that the little man is more than a tad cuckoo. Even if China fully enforces sanctions it is just bound to set the little man off. There will be no uprising that doesn't involve the nut job firing off missiles.

 

 

[daveAustin]

It'd be ironic that China would be the one to finally put-down tubby and his evil clan, though it would be the better bet for them since they could marshal the territory and dictate terms. Should the US be the one to unseat big boy, the shoe would be on the other foot and the Chinese would have Uncle Sam peering over the river at them. 

 

The only caveat with both options being the inevitable personage millions pouring forth north.

Edited May 4, 2017 by daveAustin

[Suradit69]

Love the line below: "Moreover, if Kim were to die suddenly, ..." (as well as the plural of "elite" shown as "elites" when referring to presumably a single group)

 

 

 

More North Korean elites think Kim Jong Un is weak  Thursday, 27 Apr 2017 | 9:04 AM ET | 00:45

More and more North Korean elites think dictator Kim Jong Un is a weak leader, according to new research published Thursday from Rand Corp. citing senior officials who have defected.

"Kim Jong Un appears increasingly to the elites as ineffective and not a particularly good leader, which is likely how he's viewed now," said Bruce Bennett, senior defense analyst at research organization Rand. "Other than North Korea's weapons and [the] ballistic missiles of this regime, Kim Jong Un doesn't really have a lot to make him feel empowered," Bennett said, noting that recent events such as the murder of the dictator's older half brother show how the leader is "clearly paranoid."

Moreover, if Kim were to die suddenly, North Korea's elites would probably not choose a successor from Kim's family, ending their dominance since the state's founding more than half a century ago, Bennett said, based on his interviews with defectors.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/north-korean-elites-increasingly-think-kim-jong-un-is-a-weak-leader-new-study-says.html

[Suradit69]

13 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

It'd be ironic that China would be the one to finally put-down tubby and his evil clan, though it would be the better bet for them since they could marshal the territory and dictate terms. Should the US be the one to unseat big boy, the shoe would be on the other foot and the Chinese would have Uncle Sam peering over the river at them. 

 

The only caveat with both options being the inevitable personage millions pouring forth north.

Obviously China is worried about the prospect of having the impoverished hordes crossing a less secure border, but also they would be less than thrilled about a unified, more powerful Korea down the road.

[Suradit69]

49 minutes ago, anotheruser said:

Even China is beginning to openly acknowledge that the little man is more than a tad cuckoo.

Be more specific, Trump or Kim?

[Rob13]

Maybe the PRC should just annex NK and turn it into an autonomous zone and toss the nutjob.

[anotheruser]

7 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

Maybe the PRC should just annex NK and turn it into an autonomous zone and toss the nutjob.

 

They can argue over how the radiation zone is cut up when the dust settles.

[Jonmarleesco]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

"China had better ponder over the grave consequences to be entailed by its reckless act of chopping down the pillar of the DPRK-China relations,"

The consequences will be grave only for the little fat one and his elderly entourage. I presume he has worked that out, but assumes that his gamesmanship will impress the Chinese as much as he thinks it does the West. 

[Jonmarleesco]

18 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

Love the line below: "Moreover, if Kim were to die suddenly, ..." (as well as the plural of "elite" shown as "elites" when referring to presumably a single group)

 

 

 

More North Korean elites think Kim Jong Un is weak  Thursday, 27 Apr 2017 | 9:04 AM ET | 00:45

More and more North Korean elites think dictator Kim Jong Un is a weak leader, according to new research published Thursday from Rand Corp. citing senior officials who have defected.

"Kim Jong Un appears increasingly to the elites as ineffective and not a particularly good leader, which is likely how he's viewed now," said Bruce Bennett, senior defense analyst at research organization Rand. "Other than North Korea's weapons and [the] ballistic missiles of this regime, Kim Jong Un doesn't really have a lot to make him feel empowered," Bennett said, noting that recent events such as the murder of the dictator's older half brother show how the leader is "clearly paranoid."

Moreover, if Kim were to die suddenly, North Korea's elites would probably not choose a successor from Kim's family, ending their dominance since the state's founding more than half a century ago, Bennett said, based on his interviews with defectors.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/north-korean-elites-increasingly-think-kim-jong-un-is-a-weak-leader-new-study-says.html

Elite and elites are both correct, dependent on the context.

[Hayduke]

There is no way that North Korea can antagonize China as their very existence requires a full spectrum of Chinese support. North Korea does what they're told by China. With very good reason.

 

China believes that now is a good time to bait the US and has manufactured the current crisis. North Korea is acting as China’s proxy and every move they make is orchestrated by the Chinese.

 

So North Korea ‘acts’ aggressively and plays the role of dangerous wild card. China pretends to be frustrated with the fat leader, and commiserates with the US. And ‘in the interest of peace’ offers to play the role of negotiator. A variant on the “Good cop, bad cop” routine..

 

China then spells out the US concessions needed to rein in Kim. The most important of which will probably be an 'agreement' for some sort of full or partial withdrawal of the US military from South Korea. Some meaningless Chinese/North Korean concessions will be offered in return.

 

If the US bites then China wins. If not; the Chinese haven't lost anything.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by Hayduke

[anotheruser]

Just now, Hayduke said:

There is no way that North Korea can antagonize China as their very existence requires a full spectrum of Chinese support. North Korea does what they're told by China.

 

China believes that now is a good time to bait the US and has manufactured the current crisis. North Korea is acting as China’s proxy and every move they make is orchestrated by the Chinese.

 

So North Korea ‘acts’ aggressively and plays the role of dangerous wild card. China pretends to be frustrated with the fat leader, and commiserates with the US. And ‘in the interest of peace’ offers to play the role of negotiator.

 

China then spells out the US concessions needed to rein in Kim. The most important of which will probably be an 'agreement' for some sort of full or partial withdrawal of the US military from South Korea. Some meaningless Chinese/North Korean concessions will be offered in return.

 

If the US bites then China wins. If not; the Chinese haven't lost anything.

 

It’s sort of a variant on the “Good cop, bad cop” routine.

It's all good cop, bad cop until somebody gets nuked.

[ilostmypassword]

39 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

There is no way that North Korea can antagonize China as their very existence requires a full spectrum of Chinese support. North Korea does what they're told by China. With very good reason.

 

China believes that now is a good time to bait the US and has manufactured the current crisis. North Korea is acting as China’s proxy and every move they make is orchestrated by the Chinese.

 

So North Korea ‘acts’ aggressively and plays the role of dangerous wild card. China pretends to be frustrated with the fat leader, and commiserates with the US. And ‘in the interest of peace’ offers to play the role of negotiator. A variant on the “Good cop, bad cop” routine..

 

China then spells out the US concessions needed to rein in Kim. The most important of which will probably be an 'agreement' for some sort of full or partial withdrawal of the US military from South Korea. Some meaningless Chinese/North Korean concessions will be offered in return.

 

If the US bites then China wins. If not; the Chinese haven't lost anything.

 

 

So I guess when Kim Jung Un had his uncle brutally executed, the one who was the chief North Korean liaison with China, it was just a kind of practical joke done between 2 friendly nations?  What a kneeslapper that was!

[Dap]

3 hours ago, Rob13 said:

Maybe the PRC should just annex NK and turn it into an autonomous zone and toss the nutjob.

Yeah, good call Rob 13, and I would think @Suradit69could  possibly concur.

[anotheruser]

what makes anybody think Kim would let China march in uncontested?

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, anotheruser said:

what makes anybody think Kim would let China march in uncontested?

Why would it have to? It has other means to subdue North Korea if it chose to.

[anotheruser]

14 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Why would it have to? It has other means to subdue North Korea if it chose to.

NK still unleashes death killing however many people in SK.  That triggers the USA. Different route to the same result.

 

Keep in mind I was replying to another poster about the possibility of China marching in and occupying NK with no opposition.

Edited May 4, 2017 by anotheruser

[Rob13]

8 minutes ago, anotheruser said:

NK still unleashes death killing however many people in SK.  That triggers the USA. Different route to the same result.

 

Maybe, maybe not. China is already involved in NK politics. It wouldn't really require  a direct military takeover or confrontation. 

[anotheruser]

Just now, Rob13 said:

 

Maybe, maybe not. China is already involved in NK politics. It wouldn't really require  a direct military takeover or confrontation. 

 

So you think China can reason with Kim? 

[Rob13]

11 minutes ago, anotheruser said:

 

So you think China can reason with Kim? 

 

 

No, not reason with him but  manipulate him into being a well behaved puppet or just stage a PRC backed coup d'etat. 

[anotheruser]

1 minute ago, Rob13 said:

 

No, not reason with him but  manipulate him into being a well behaved puppet or just stage a PRC backed coup d'etat. 

Given the news we are replying to I am guessing in change in China's posturing towards NK and Kim will smell a rat. Nice theory but don't see it happening.

 

Well behaved puppet? All this guy had to do was play basketball with Rodman, sip cognac and keep his mouth shut and everybody would have forgot about him years ago. The problem I think is he already knows his days are numbered whether it be at the hands of his own people, China or the USA.

 

 

[Rob13]

55 minutes ago, anotheruser said:

The problem I think is he already knows his days are numbered whether it be at the hands of his own people, China or the USA.

 

Yeah, I don't think he has much longer.  I don't think China will sit by and let NE asia be turned into another Iraq or Afghanistan though which will happen if they sit by and let the US be the leader in any regime change in NK.  China will have to step up they're involvement the more more trump ups his stance and tough guy talk.

[anotheruser]

13 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

Yeah, I don't think he has much longer.  I don't think China will sit by and let NE asia be turned into another Iraq or Afghanistan though which will happen if they sit by and let the US be the leader in any regime change in NK.  China will have to step up they're involvement the more more trump ups his stance and tough guy talk.

 

The USA isn't going to sit idly by and let China have it's freshly dug airstrips in the South China sea and control NK. 

 

The problem is this is the largest hostage situation known to man kind by far. Both sides would probably prefer a nuclear crater than the other side to control it. 

 

Also it won't become Iraq or anything like it. The people are starving and they don't talk to Allah.

Edited May 4, 2017 by anotheruser

[hawker9000]

Oooooh, fatboy has stepped in it this time.

[Grouse]

I suspect that, just like Russia, China will not want to face US troops over a shared border. They want a buffer zone. Maybe China could annex North Korea and the USA pull back to Japan?

[citybiker]

I guess it's China's turn to ratchet up the warnings.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-calls-on-citizens-to-leave-north-korea-as-tensions-with-us-heat-up/ar-BBAI6zR?li=BBoPWjQ

Diplomacy is & always should be the primary route to peace, if China hasn't the clout to reign in NK through diplomatic methods then I'd be concerned of what the future is for the region.


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[anon4546543]

Interesting to read the different views and possible outcomes by most posters. Either way, small time opinionators are unlikely to effect the final outcome. May it be peaceful and last forever.

[mrwebb8825]

Maybe the Chinese are hoping to strike a deal with S. Korea giving them (SK) total control if the US, it's forces and missile systems leave as part of the deal. They would effectively keep their buffer zone and solve the world crisis of the little fat man.

The US could then complete construction of its new Air/Missile bases and Naval Ports in the Philippines and Taiwan and all the troops stationed in S. Korea could move a little further south. 

[ilostmypassword]

3 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Maybe the Chinese are hoping to strike a deal with S. Korea giving them (SK) total control if the US, it's forces and missile systems leave as part of the deal. They would effectively keep their buffer zone and solve the world crisis of the little fat man.

The US could then complete construction of its new Air/Missile bases and Naval Ports in the Philippines and Taiwan and all the troops stationed in S. Korea could move a little further south. 

I can't believe that you and I actually agree about something. I'm going to have to rethink my position.

[mrwebb8825]

7 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

I can't believe that you and I actually agree about something. I'm going to have to rethink my position.

Thanks for that. Best laugh I've had all day.