German Doctor Jailed for Murder of 15 Patients

55 minutes ago, nexus7 said:

Shades of the UK's Harold Shipman.

Even shadier echoes of Dr Mengele....

Edited July 9Jul 9 by Leopold Bloom
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Perhaps the doctor overlooked the fact that he did not live in the 3rd Reich and that euthanasia was no longer the task of fanatical Nazi doctors since the end of this dark time.
Doctors should preserve life, not destroy it.
Unfortunately, one life imprisonment does not outweigh the 15 victims, but it is at least the highest possible punishment.

15 minutes ago, BerndD said:

Perhaps the doctor overlooked the fact that he did not live in the 3rd Reich and that euthanasia was no longer the task of fanatical Nazi doctors since the end of this dark time.
Doctors should preserve life, not destroy it.
Unfortunately, one life imprisonment does not outweigh the 15 victims, but it is at least the highest possible punishment.

As long as he's not out on parole. I didn't hear anything about him being sentenced to special detention for public protection. If not, he's up for parole after 15 years (probably won't get it though, few do at that stage).

DER SPIEGEL

Das Landgericht Berlin hat einen Palliativarzt wegen 15-fachen Mordes von Patienten zur Höchststrafe verurteilt. Es verhängte gegen den 41-Jährigen eine lebenslange Freiheitsstrafe und stellte die besondere Schwere der Schuld fest. Zudem wurde eine Sicherungsverwahrung nach der Haftstrafe angeordnet und ein lebenslanges Berufsverbot verhängt.

Translation:

The Berlin regional court has sentenced a palliative care doctor to the maximum sentence for 15 murders of patients. It imposed a life sentence on the 41-year-old and noted the particular gravity of the guilt. In addition, preventive detention was ordered after the prison sentence and a lifelong professional ban was imposed.

Edited July 9Jul 9 by BerndD

I guess we can never know, but he might have had the best intentions at heart.

That some people have to suffer towards the end of their lives in this day and age is criminal.

My father died screaming for a knife to end his pain.

My Mother was a Staff Nurse at a hospital in my home town, and would tell us how she had administered 'Brompton's Cocktail' to help very sick people on their way to Heaven.

It contained Morphine, Cocaine, Gin, Honey, Chloroform. What a way to go.

4 hours ago, nexus7 said:

Shades of the UK's Harold Shipman.

But Shipman was doing it for his own financial benefit in many cases getting the patient, usually old ladies, to change their wills leaving all to him.

That was what got him caught.

18 hours ago, webfact said:

the court heard that none were believed to be close to death at the time they were killed.

Seems strange that they were receiving palliative care if none were close to death.

7 minutes ago, loong said:

Seems strange that they were receiving palliative care if none were close to death.

Surely the 94 yr old was not too far off.

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

My friend died an hour or so after the doctors visit. No doubt the doctor helped him along, possibly a little more morphine than needed to take the pain away. I suspect this happens a lot more often to those in their final hours than most people would think. Personally I don't have an issue with it.

They did that to King George V in 1936 around 11PM so that his death would be

published in the Times and not the Evening papers had he lived on naturally until about 8AM.

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

They did that to King George V in 1936 around 11PM so that his death would be

published in the Times and not the Evening papers had he lived on naturally until about 8AM.

Saw that on QI with Stephen Fry.

I suspect a similar thing happened to Joe Biden, died but refused to lay down.

At the risk of making light of a tragedy and a serious discussion about euthanasia, the final words of the article i.e. " ...(the court) imposed a lifetime ban on practising medicine" brought a smile to my face.

As if, there were any other alternatives🤷😁

German Doctor Jailed for Murder of 15 Patients

Just like grandpa used to do?

Brought a friend 10 strips of 0.5mg Alprazolam tabs flying back through India. Where I buy my own meds. He said he was having trouble sleeping.

Heard a couple of weeks later that he had mixed them into a bottle of rum and checked out. Uncontrolled diabetes and he had run out of money.

I am a firm believer in euthanasia. Although arson is little out there, I think he must have had good intentions for his patients' suffering. That some were not 'close to death' does not minimise suffering.

This is not uncommon in countries not enlightened enough to enact right-to die laws. Just most don't get caught.

1 hour ago, Autocan said:

Brought a friend 10 strips of 0.5mg Alprazolam tabs flying back through India. Where I buy my own meds. He said he was having trouble sleeping.

Heard a couple of weeks later that he had mixed them into a bottle of rum and checked out. Uncontrolled diabetes and he had run out of money.

1 hour ago, Autocan said:

Brought a friend 10 strips of 0.5mg Alprazolam tabs flying back through India. Where I buy my own meds. He said he was having trouble sleeping.

Heard a couple of weeks later that he had mixed them into a bottle of rum and checked out. Uncontrolled diabetes and he had run out of money.

Unfortunately, no amount of benzodiazepines will kill you. Pentobarbital is the drug of choice just as vets use for pet euthanasia. See The Peaceful Pill Handbook from Exit International.

47 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Unfortunately, no amount of benzodiazepines will kill you. Pentobarbital is the drug of choice just as vets use for pet euthanasia. See The Peaceful Pill Handbook from Exit International.

I doubt "no amount" is true. In any case, here's

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/xanax-addiction/xanax-overdose/

"Xanax overdose can also occur if you take too much of the drug. Xanax overdose can be deadly, especially when the drug is mixed with other central nervous system (CNS) depressants like opioids or alcohol."

My buddy was an alcoholic too. I guess he found his favorite exit.

Edited July 9Jul 9 by Autocan

So much for German thoroughness:
How can it be that 15 people die, and always immediately after the home visit of a specific doctor, and nobody notices it?

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I am a firm believer in euthanasia. Although arson is little out there, I think he must have had good intentions for his patients' suffering. That some were not 'close to death' does not minimise suffering.

This is not uncommon in countries not enlightened enough to enact right-to die laws. Just most don't get caught.

It doesn’t matter how good his intentions were; he actively killed 15 people, and that is murder and must be punished accordingly.

You talk about assisted dying, but there are requirements for that, and they are very strict for a good reason.

The legal situation in Germany looks like this:

• Assisted suicide: Assisting in self-killing is exempt from punishment. This means that people who wish to die are allowed to have lethal medication handed to them by a doctor or a support organization, but they must take it themselves.

• Passive assisted dying: Ending or not initiating life-prolonging measures is permissible if it corresponds to the stated will of the patient.

• Active euthanasia (prohibited): Active killing on request, where someone else (e.g., a doctor) directly administers a lethal substance to the patient, remains legally prohibited in Germany.

And if I understood correctly, this doctor administered the lethal cocktail to his patients without their knowledge.

Medical law is really very strict there. In fact, even a simple blood draw or a tooth filling can theoretically meet the criteria for bodily harm because you are intervening in a person's physical integrity.

It is only not considered bodily harm, but rather a legal medical procedure, if this action is performed for the purpose of treating a patient and according to the current state of medical science.

To share from my own experience, even if the patient explicitly wishes it and absolves the dentist of all liability in writing, a dentist is never allowed to pull a healthy tooth just because the patient claims they hear the radio through it at night.

I asked the patient if it wouldn’t make more sense to try and simply change the station.

After that, I never saw him again.

11 hours ago, Somjot said:

So much for German thoroughness:
How can it be that 15 people die, and always immediately after the home visit of a specific doctor, and nobody notices it?

It doesn’t matter how good his intentions were; he actively killed 15 people, and that is murder and must be punished accordingly.

You talk about assisted dying, but there are requirements for that, and they are very strict for a good reason.

The legal situation in Germany looks like this:

• Assisted suicide: Assisting in self-killing is exempt from punishment. This means that people who wish to die are allowed to have lethal medication handed to them by a doctor or a support organization, but they must take it themselves.

• Passive assisted dying: Ending or not initiating life-prolonging measures is permissible if it corresponds to the stated will of the patient.

• Active euthanasia (prohibited): Active killing on request, where someone else (e.g., a doctor) directly administers a lethal substance to the patient, remains legally prohibited in Germany.

And if I understood correctly, this doctor administered the lethal cocktail to his patients without their knowledge.

Medical law is really very strict there. In fact, even a simple blood draw or a tooth filling can theoretically meet the criteria for bodily harm because you are intervening in a person's physical integrity.

It is only not considered bodily harm, but rather a legal medical procedure, if this action is performed for the purpose of treating a patient and according to the current state of medical science.

To share from my own experience, even if the patient explicitly wishes it and absolves the dentist of all liability in writing, a dentist is never allowed to pull a healthy tooth just because the patient claims they hear the radio through it at night.

I asked the patient if it wouldn’t make more sense to try and simply change the station.

After that, I never saw him again.

"unblocktheplanet" responded to this comment with a laugh. Typical reaction of people with inferior intelligence, but with the opinion that they belong to the greatest.

Like the one in the USA.

22 hours ago, nexus7 said:

Shades of the UK's Harold Shipman.

Watching a tv dramatisation of The Shipman murders on YouTube as we speak.

Quite interesting.

15 hours ago, BerndD said:

"unblocktheplanet" responded to this comment with a laugh. Typical reaction of people with inferior intelligence, but with the opinion that they belong to the greatest.

Or maybe he just thought the last part of my post was funny.

By the way, that patient later went to another clinic, which belonged to a friend of mine, who wasn´t concerned much about law or rules and just extracted those 4 upper front teeth, which allegedly were receiving some radio signal.

A few days later that patient returned claiming that he can still hear that radio at night.

"You pulled my teef for nofing. I ftill hear fat radio."

"I professionally disagree."

"Why do you difagree?"

"We got an important information now."

"What doef if fay?"

"Now we know, it was not your front teeth."

"Doctor, you are a geniuf."