ThailandNoob

Anyone remember the last time a military junta was in charge of Thailand, and the stock market dropped something like 10% in a single day due to a botched capital control policy? This hardly inspires confidence this time around.

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Well knock me down with a feather..

Same.

As I'm frequently told by posters that polls are not to be believed as they only try to show a positive image of the NCPO, I'm really puzzled by this

"On the viability of overall economic policies, 44.9% of the economists said they did not believe they would work while 44.5% thought they could be successful."

Maybe the censor slipped, was watching nice broads in a karaoke clip, or so ?

"Maybe the censor slipped, was watching nice broads in a karaoke clip, or so ?"

That comment probably reveals more about things that fill your mind then the minds of the imaginary censors.

Thailand's press freedom is now ranked lower than Burma's. I hardly think the censorship in this country is "imaginary".

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I don't really see how it's a political tool when politicians (or those in power) are not the ones using it.

Of course it is more likely that one side will be charged more than the other, but that doesn't make it a political tool.

If people from one side are more likely to be charged than the other, then the other side can use it as a political tool by increasing the enforcement of it.

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Strictly speaking the application of the law on LM hasn't changed much over the years. As such it's not related to the coup.

I do hope though that a new constitution will be somewhat more modern in relation to LM.

You say you support the coup, but Prayuth has made it very clear that he wants the LM laws enforced more strictly.

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I've gone on record saying to regret it (i.e. the coup) was necessary.

Now please explain your question, assuming the reply is such rather than some suggestive and false statement.

If you believe the coup "was necessary", then you support it.

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how much is not so much the question.

LM cases are rarely granted bail - really rarely. I can't think of another case at the moment where the courts granted bail but can think of multiple examples of (crazy) bail denials.

You forgot Sondhi was convicted of LM last year - and granted bail.

I remember Sondhi being convicted of corruption and being granted bail, but not LM... I'll have to look again.

seriously, though, they keep essentially all LM cases locked up with crazy justifications. The 2 students arrested post-coup from the Wolf's Bride play last year are still locked up. Just as an example.

Strictly speaking the application of the law on LM hasn't changed much over the years. As such it's not related to the coup.

I do hope though that a new constitution will be somewhat more modern in relation to LM.

You say you support the coup, but Prayuth has made it very clear that he wants the LM laws enforced more strictly.

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I believe they won't be dissolved because they didn't break the law.

Unless you can show me the law that they broke, that's what you should believe too.

If all you're going on is someone saying that "they broke the law and should be dissolved" and someone else saying "no we didn't", then that highlights that, for you, this is all about what you want to believe.

Why would I care if they are found not have broken the law ? the law is whatever they say it is, big deal, it still dosnt affect the truth of the link between the Dems and them supporting the PDRC made up of a few Ex Dems .... uhhh duh ..

So, with a Yingluck Cabinet Minister speaking at a UDD red-shirt meeting acknowledging the possibility of a Lanna State, we have obviously no problem as Ms. Yingluck knew nothing and even bravely stated ALL parties to stop talking like that.

Therefor the Democrat Party should be abolished, or more to the point as out well know Pheu Thai party list (now former) MP and UDD leader Dr. weng once said "we want to eradicate the Dems" and his wife Ms. Thida later on just refining to "wipe out the last of the Nationalists".

All very democratically, even our criminal fugitive would agree on that.

So, the groundwork for rejecting a possible 'not right' decision by the Constitutional Court has been laid. Only difference with six months ago is that we're unlikely to see new grenade attacks or intimidations by 'peaceful protesters'. IMHO.

We're not going to see any "peaceful protestors" sending "popcorn gunmen" to polling stations for a shooting spree either. The reason being that their military have launched a coup to give them what they want, a stop to elections and rule by an unelected council.

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Should be some interesting fireworks, as it will be the first time Prayuth has to deal with people saying all the things that are banned in this forum, without being able to arrest them at will for "attitude adjustment".

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Wow, you really flushed all the snakes out of the long grass with that one !

At least the General can return to his home country whenever he feels like it, without the fear of being arrested and locked up.

Unlike Professor Pavin from Kyoto University, who has committed the heinous crime of calling for democracy.

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In the first place, Gen Prayuth should not and should never be the broker for talks. Like Al Capone holding a base ball bat and circling the participants. The conclusion was never in doubt and the short 4-5 hours evident that what followed the breakdown of the talk was crafted.In the first place, Gen Prayuth should not and should never be the broker for talks. Like Al Capone holding a base ball bat and circling the participants. The conclusion was never in doubt and the short 4-5 hours evident that what followed the breakdown of the talk was crafted. The previous government has gone beyond its limit by dissolving Parliment. Rest was staged as Rubi rumored. by dissolving Parliment. Rest was staged as Rubi rumored.

The only bit that I agree with is this - ..................." The previous government has gone beyond its limit"................................

I think it was don Corleone that circled the group with a base ball bat and that was just a movie.

In reality the good general needs to make people disappear, to fix this countries wows.

I cannot see the good General taking a baseball bat to a meeting, and I think the plan is to make it as hard as possible for "certain" people to keep operating in their usual criminal manner in Thailand and force them to run away to another country.

A-la the crim who fled to the desert.....................into self exile !

The "good general" doesn't take baseball bats to a meeting, he just surrounds the building with soldiers ready to take people away for "attitude adjustment" in incommunicado military detention if they don't agree to an ultimatum.

BTW I love how you "liked" a post that shows clear support for people "disappearing". It says more about your side than anything I could write even we had free speech.

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555 this stretches the imagination. This is the party that resigned from parliament and then boycotted an election in support of Suthep's aim of an unelected people's council (not to mention all of the senior leaders that spoke at the protests).

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It might stretch your imagination, but the simple fact is they had resigned from the Democrat party prior to joining the protests, so they are 100% correct, it wasn't run or organized by "the Democrats".

Much in the same way that the UDD (and other letter combinations) pro-Govt protests were not instigated, funded or sponsored or run by PT or Thaksin.

I would never deny that there are strong connections between the UDD, Thaksin and Pheu Thai. And it is obvious that the same goes for the "Democrats" and the protests. Even if they are not in Parliament, they are still in the political party (or have very strong links to it in the case of Suthep). Besides which, I seem to recall that some members of Parliament were speaking at the protests before the mass demonstrations.

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Pheu Thai's policies were only "vote buying" if you believe that tax money should rightfully go to the elite, and using it on policies that benefit anyone else is a heinous crime.

If our "acid comments" are "music to your ears", then how come you are so keen on seeing them deleted?

Sorry, but the first sentence makes no sense to me, so I cannot comment on it.

I could not care less if your anal comments are deleted or not, but you have as much right as anyone to an opinion. The only posts I report to the mods are the blatant anti-junta comments. Sick of seeing "some" posters flogging that dead horse.

I notice that you have not really answered his points. Why doesn't the junta hold elections if they have such overwhelming support?

I had absolutely no intention of answering his points. His "points" were fabricated rubbish that were plucked from the air, as are many red flavored arguments on this forum.

As far as your ridiculous question regarding the junta holding elections if they have so much support, that just proves your ignorance on the subject. But see post #45.

Your name, ThailandNoob, suits you.

In another thread, you told me that you would like to see all of my posts deleted for being critical of the junta.

Please tell me why you think it is so vital that free speech is suppressed.

And to answer the point about the junta not contesting elections, even if the military leaders don't stand for elections themselves, the Yellow side still have the "democrats".

BTW my name is a joke. I speak fluent Thai from having a luuk khreung half-sister.

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Hahaha.

They had a poll to find this out

Can they have an election?

With Martial Law still in place and politicians of any kind prohibited from activites, I think we can humour you and arrange an election. Mind you, if it's just for the fun of it, would you mind footing the bill? Only about 3 billion Baht or so.

Is Suthep going to foot the bill for the last election that shut down?

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Pheu Thai receives 23.5% support, down 5.8% from previous poll.

I wonder what the level of support will be when members of the black shirts are indisputably tied to Thaksin. The document evidence is piling up, can't wait for PTP to join the ranks of the past Thaksin parties....banned.

No need to wonder.

Thaksins' political parties have maintained a support level of between 52% - 60% of the electorate for nearly a decade and a half.

The fact that democracy has at the very least been "suspended" in the Kingdom is all the proof one needs that Thaksin still commands support from a majority of Thais.

If the figures quoted in the article were even remotely true (or realistic) then Thailand would be off to the polls to win international legitimacy for the junta.

Only the naive buy the crap spewed out by these establishment backed polls - everyone knows who will win any "one man, one vote" election in Thailand.

They say that if you throw enough of this stuff some of it is bound to stick. Seems like a lot of the people in Thailand have developed a teflon coating and it is just not sticking.

People are starting to wake up to the Shin lies, better late than never I suppose.

I notice that you have not really answered his points. Why doesn't the junta hold elections if they have such overwhelming support?

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I seem to recall that shortly after the coup, Prayuth spoke out strongly against any form of decentralisation. The fact that he has got rid of local elections would seem to indicate that he would rather take Thailand in the opposite direction.

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Rural areas give full support to the thaksin backed government, next election another thaksin backed party will win. People want him. End of Discussion.

If (and in my opinion it is unlikely) that is allowed to happen, then the day the Thaksin backed party, chosen by the electorate, takes power is the day that the planning for the next coup will begin.

According to Suthep, they started planning for this one before the election even took place, knowing that they would lose. I see no reason why they wouldn't do so again.

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Rural areas give full support to the thaksin backed government, next election another thaksin backed party will win. People want him. End of Discussion.

If (and in my opinion it is unlikely) that is allowed to happen, then the day the Thaksin backed party, chosen by the electorate, takes power is the day that the planning for the next coup will begin.

Why is it unlikely? His sister got elected, poor people love him, he was one of the few blokes that actually cared about people who lived outside BKK. Yep the next coup will be planned, but by that time I think Thailand will be a true democracy. Turkey went through the same era, 4 coups in 50 years, coup free since 1980 now.

I cannot share your optimism. The Yellows will force the country to civil war before they accept equality with those they deem subhuman (Isan people etc.).

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Complete rubbish, how are your clan able to bash the PM without a visit??? How is it that the press criticized the PM for the microphones, or the Bikini remark--or or or. Difference here is----the PM trying to right the country has people shouting get out dictators-- your not elected--armies are no good to rule--Junta--coup--Your lousy at human rights ??? all this is not needed, hence the reasons for some shut up -words.

If therefore you disapprove use the Constructive criticism method it is approved by the PM--IT IS CALLED FEEDBACK. not your style, this is why majority of posters oppose you.

The PM is trying to be open with the people and is open with his agenda for how he is going about his clean up.

I am able to bash the PM without a visit because I am a foreigner, and it would create a serious international incident if I was hauled off for attitude adjustment. Even the Burmese junta only ever dared to deport foreigners.

I am seriously half expecting to be deported and blacklisted, but I don't care because I am in the process of relocating myself and my family.

I think that for Thai people it is a different story. All it takes to be arrested is to read 1984, eat sandwiches or make the Hunger Games salute.

The government of my home country is also shouting "get out dictators" etc. I'm assuming that you think they all need some "attitude adjustment" in incommunicado detention too.

If I made the constructive criticism that military rule is only going to end up polarising the country even more (like it did last time), and to avoid this the best thing to do is to return the country to civilian rule immediately, then my post would be deleted.

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am I reading from your post you have an attitude problem regarding the PM here and how he is doing well, or is It just thing you have against the intervention. Have a nice re-location to a super democratic area (paradise).

"How the PM is doing well?" 555 He has been condemned around the world (except for such enlightened souls as the Chinese communists and the Burmese generals). This will only increase the longer the military regime stays in power. Plus the risk of civil war will increase too.

And as soon as there are free and fair elections, then the "Democrats" (or whatever party Prayuth starts if he actually does) are going to get eaten alive, probably worse than they did after the last coup (since this one has been more repressive). And the reds will end up back in power again. Even if every single member of Pheu Thai is banned from politics for life, then the party will just rebuild itself from the ground up like it has before.

So in the long term, he has no viable endgame.

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All the knockers out in force I see. IMHO heis better than we have seen recently, he wants to sort out the problems that have been festering for your years, well I think we should give him that chance. In a year or so time there will be an election, he will have re set the rules for the country, then I hope all the players will respect the new rules, whatever they are and behave in a way we are more used to. As for Prayuth, he says its a tiring job, that I understand, time then for him to go and put his feet up and retire, like us, if I am wrong about my hopes in 3 or 4 years time the rallies will be on the streets again and we dont really want to see that again do we?

You think these knockers care about all this. Those one-line heroes are only interested in saying stupid things.They are not interested in any kind of argument/debate. If you ask them to clarify their extreme stance, most of the time they will disappear. They must be very frustrated and surely don't give a s..t about Thailand and its people.

Maybe that is because Prayuth has made it illegal for the "knockers" to criticise him and his coup?

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Complete rubbish, how are your clan able to bash the PM without a visit??? How is it that the press criticized the PM for the microphones, or the Bikini remark--or or or. Difference here is----the PM trying to right the country has people shouting get out dictators-- your not elected--armies are no good to rule--Junta--coup--Your lousy at human rights ??? all this is not needed, hence the reasons for some shut up -words.

If therefore you disapprove use the Constructive criticism method it is approved by the PM--IT IS CALLED FEEDBACK. not your style, this is why majority of posters oppose you.

The PM is trying to be open with the people and is open with his agenda for how he is going about his clean up.

I am able to bash the PM without a visit because I am a foreigner, and it would create a serious international incident if I was hauled off for attitude adjustment. Even the Burmese junta only ever dared to deport foreigners.

I am seriously half expecting to be deported and blacklisted, but I don't care because I am in the process of relocating myself and my family.

I think that for Thai people it is a different story. All it takes to be arrested is to read 1984, eat sandwiches or make the Hunger Games salute.

The government of my home country is also shouting "get out dictators" etc. I'm assuming that you think they all need some "attitude adjustment" in incommunicado detention too.

If I made the constructive criticism that military rule is only going to end up polarising the country even more (like it did last time), and to avoid this the best thing to do is to return the country to civilian rule immediately, then my post would be deleted.

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All the knockers out in force I see. IMHO heis better than we have seen recently, he wants to sort out the problems that have been festering for your years, well I think we should give him that chance. In a year or so time there will be an election, he will have re set the rules for the country, then I hope all the players will respect the new rules, whatever they are and behave in a way we are more used to. As for Prayuth, he says its a tiring job, that I understand, time then for him to go and put his feet up and retire, like us, if I am wrong about my hopes in 3 or 4 years time the rallies will be on the streets again and we dont really want to see that again do we?

You think these knockers care about all this. Those one-line heroes are only interested in saying stupid things.They are not interested in any kind of argument/debate. If you ask them to clarify their extreme stance, most of the time they will disappear. They must be very frustrated and surely don't give a s..t about Thailand and its people.

Maybe that is because Prayuth has made it illegal for the "knockers" to criticise him and his coup?

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I hope its a misquote. If not, roll on the next real election. For such a seamingly intelligent guy to say what has been reported is very sad.

The next election will only happen when / if the dear general decides that his "reforms" have been completed.

Military coup, Junta, President for life = no next election.

(Well, no election with anyone else standing)

Well, thanks for sharing your opinion with us here tonight.

In the mean time those of us concentrating on the topic, really start lamenting the fact we have to do without Ms. Yingluck who always had a kind word and gave the impression to say something political correct even without her morning coffee. Her handpicked men (the ones in her cabinet) helped her of course, as much as they could. Reminds me of Chumphol Silapa-Archa who in 2012 mentioned that a rape couldn't be called such as the victim had had dinner with the perpetrator.

I don't think Ms. Yingluck showed him the door over this 'minor mishap', he was only Minister of Tourism anyway.

If Yingluck ever screwed up badly enough, then the electorate would always be able to vote her out at the next polls. The same cannot be said for an unelected military junta.

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What we have here is a somewhat conservative man expressing his opinion which since he's PM he shouldn't. As politician he still has much to learn.

Then maybe he shouldn't have become PM, or at least not done so until he could get qualified enough for the job to be able to get elected by the Thai people.

He didn't want to, he was persuaded that the country needed him, a non-politician rather than someone of the lot which couldn't even agree on the colour of an orange if their life depended on it.

Mind you, with all good intentions and the very helpful suggestions of especially TVF members he might improve to the point of being the favorite again for the position late next year.

I take it you don't believe anything Suthep said about them having planned the coup together for years?

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I hope its a misquote. If not, roll on the next real election. For such a seamingly intelligent guy to say what has been reported is very sad.

The next election will only happen when / if the dear general decides that his "reforms" have been completed.

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