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Oh great an editorial piece and the byline.... The Nation.... fantastic its a nameless article. Yes the article is correct and I agree, but with who????

Ummm....the editor?

"a newspaper article written by or on behalf of an editor that gives an opinion on a topical issue."

Be gentle with the less able guys...

So a certain aiport occupation led to arrests and prosecutions - when?

Not just that, when are we going to see prosecutions of Suthep and his thugs for using violence to shut down an election? Plus when are we going to see heads roll for the army's killings in 2010?

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They should be hanged for treason.

How dare people make a stand against an unelected government!

Actually those guys are accused of standing up to the Abhisit government which was composed of elected MPs who selected an PM.

In my home country, when there was a change in government due to MPs switching alliances (even though it was only to a different leader in the same party), the new PM had the decency to immediately call elections.

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They should be hanged for treason.

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Her "ordeal in military custody" as Kahosod puts it, was, according to her (reported elsewhere) to have included repeated punches to the face and body.

Yet no bruising has ever been shown from these alleged beatings.

If they had happened one would have expected her to be very keen to show off the marks of the mistreatment she received as proof of the brutality she claims.

Why was she held for 27 days (well past the junta's self imposed 7 day time limit)? Maybe to give the bruises time to disappear?

The junta said that they would only hold people for 7 days. And here they are holding her for much longer. At first when the junta took her into custody, they denied knowing her whereabouts. It was only later that it came to light that they had been holding her all along. Can we (or the courts that will decide whether or not to extradite her to face persecution by a military regime) really believe anything they say now?

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85% of political protest-affected people recover

BANGKOK, 12 September 2014 (NNT) - The Ministry of Public Health has rehabilitated 473 people who were affected by political protests. 85% of them can now live a normal life but 28 other are under surveillance. Public health officers have been sent to continue rehabilitating them.

Deputy Director-General of the Department of Mental Health MD Phanphimon Wipulakorn on Friday announced the results of the ministry’s rehabilitation for political protest-affected people nationwide over the past four months.

She said 13% of them still suffered from stress and some of them were diagnosed with depression, partly due to economic problems and their disabilities.

The ministry would conclude the rehabilitation project on 15 September but would continue following up on the affected people until their mental health improved, the official said.

MD Phanphimon added that the all units should work together in reforming the country in order to reduce conflicts and create a happier society.

-- NNT 2014-09-12

The protests bankrupted two of my friends' businesses, and dealt a possibly mortal blow to two more. What is needed is not "mental health rehabilitation", but for Suthep to pay compensation for all of the business they lost.

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Bankrupted my business too. Had to lay off myself, my partner and some 7 full time Thai staff and 2 part time. The ironic thing was, the staff were taking time off to join in the protests and when we had to shut shop so to speak they were blaming us! Such is life ay?

Som nam na! (for the staff that skipped work to join the protests, not for you).

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85% of political protest-affected people recover

BANGKOK, 12 September 2014 (NNT) - The Ministry of Public Health has rehabilitated 473 people who were affected by political protests. 85% of them can now live a normal life but 28 other are under surveillance. Public health officers have been sent to continue rehabilitating them.

Deputy Director-General of the Department of Mental Health MD Phanphimon Wipulakorn on Friday announced the results of the ministry’s rehabilitation for political protest-affected people nationwide over the past four months.

She said 13% of them still suffered from stress and some of them were diagnosed with depression, partly due to economic problems and their disabilities.

The ministry would conclude the rehabilitation project on 15 September but would continue following up on the affected people until their mental health improved, the official said.

MD Phanphimon added that the all units should work together in reforming the country in order to reduce conflicts and create a happier society.

-- NNT 2014-09-12

The protests bankrupted two of my friends' businesses, and dealt a possibly mortal blow to two more. What is needed is not "mental health rehabilitation", but for Suthep to pay compensation for all of the business they lost.

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I strongly disagree with your last statement.

Mental health certainly needs addressing in this land. There are very few facilities offered to cope with mental health issues (as that's considered a loss of face for family and friends here, if one has mental difficulties). Rehab facilities, and even institutions for the mentally disturbed, are a large missing factor in this 'collectivist' society (alledged collectivist society, that is!).

Treat, give drugs like prednisolone (or antibiotics even), and on your way - you'll be fine - you can collect plastic bottles and cardboard for the rest of your life, cos you're depressed and a ruddy disgrace to your family - on your way now.

NO!

Mental health issues do need seriously addressing here in TH, because they have been largely ignored, and are even chastised in TV soaps.... ghost riddled people... for centuries until this very day!

It IS time somethings were done to offer rehab, or care facilities. Time for Thais to realise not all people are mentally stable!

I was not saying that Thailand doesn't need a better mental health system. I have no experience with the mental health system, but I have seen the shambles that much of the rest of the system is in, so I can believe what you wrote.

My point was that people should look at the cause of these "mental health issues", not just write off everyone that got upset because of the protests as "mentally ill".

My friends who went out of business because of the protests need compensation, not rehabilitation.

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85% of political protest-affected people recover

BANGKOK, 12 September 2014 (NNT) - The Ministry of Public Health has rehabilitated 473 people who were affected by political protests. 85% of them can now live a normal life but 28 other are under surveillance. Public health officers have been sent to continue rehabilitating them.

Deputy Director-General of the Department of Mental Health MD Phanphimon Wipulakorn on Friday announced the results of the ministry’s rehabilitation for political protest-affected people nationwide over the past four months.

She said 13% of them still suffered from stress and some of them were diagnosed with depression, partly due to economic problems and their disabilities.

The ministry would conclude the rehabilitation project on 15 September but would continue following up on the affected people until their mental health improved, the official said.

MD Phanphimon added that the all units should work together in reforming the country in order to reduce conflicts and create a happier society.

-- NNT 2014-09-12

The protests bankrupted two of my friends' businesses, and dealt a possibly mortal blow to two more. What is needed is not "mental health rehabilitation", but for Suthep to pay compensation for all of the business they lost.

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"A gun won't harm me". Hmmmm some of his followers who are eing deceived out of money should try and test that theory..... just to make sure of his holiness.

Sangha rules state quite clearly that if a monk claims to have supernatural powers that he in fact does not possess, then he is to be automatically defrocked for life.

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"........agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!"

The rice scam has cost every Thai citizen THB8,000 - 10,000 in taxation revenue. With the exception of PTP who used it to buy votes, those involved in the massive corruption like the G2G deal, the wealthy farmers who raked most of the subsidy, the warehouse owners who have been paid more than the stock is worth, and the land owners that savagely increased rents, how has the general public benefitted from it?

If Pheu Thai used it to "buy votes", then it must have benefited an awful lot of people.

I travel to Isan a lot for work, and I really saw things change for the better in the past 3 years.

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That's it.? that's how you justify a blatant lie?

A politician's promise is worth less than a fairy's fart, as the idiots that failed to read the fine print soon found out. Come on, tell me what the members of my family and the rest of the general public got for their B10,000?

People such as my friend were able to set up businesses in places such as Ubol, because after Yingluck came to power people there actually had money to spend.

Tell me what the people of Isan and the North got under the "Democrats" reign, when 90% of government spending went to Bangkok?

But of course they don't count, because in yellow thinking they are subhuman, chai mai?

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What has that to do with the blatant lie "agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!" ?

How much money did "your friend" and others get out of the corruption jackpot?

My friend (and a lot of other people) got the chance to start a business, because there were less people in Ubol living hand to mouth, and more people with disposable income.

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OMG it is so undemocratic for the government to spend taxpayers' money on healthcare schemes and agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!

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"........agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!"

The rice scam has cost every Thai citizen THB8,000 - 10,000 in taxation revenue. With the exception of PTP who used it to buy votes, those involved in the massive corruption like the G2G deal, the wealthy farmers who raked most of the subsidy, the warehouse owners who have been paid more than the stock is worth, and the land owners that savagely increased rents, how has the general public benefitted from it?

If Pheu Thai used it to "buy votes", then it must have benefited an awful lot of people.

I travel to Isan a lot for work, and I really saw things change for the better in the past 3 years.

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That's it.? that's how you justify a blatant lie?

A politician's promise is worth less than a fairy's fart, as the idiots that failed to read the fine print soon found out. Come on, tell me what the members of my family and the rest of the general public got for their B10,000?

Tell me what the people of Isan and the North got under the "Democrats" reign, when 90% of government spending went to Bangkok?

But of course they don't count, because in yellow thinking they are subhuman, chai mai?

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There is a law in Thailand that prohibits you "to explain why you think the past actions of the Red Shirts is not what warrants a closer watch on their activities and a larger number of detentions."?

Tough place.

you are baiting. Take a hike

I'm not baiting, what I'm asking is not the provenance of LM laws, why do you think the track record of violence and threats by the Red Shirts (for example the creation of militias and other points I raised on post #62) is not sufficient grounds to explain why there have been more arrests and tougher security measures in Red Shirt strongholds than in other places and other groups.

Me and Mr. Occam want to know.

It is not just the LM laws that restrict free speech in Thailand now. Any criticism of the junta or the coup is illegal (e.g. suggesting that the junta is not an impartial actor and launched the coup on behalf of the yellow side).

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OMG it is so undemocratic for the government to spend taxpayers' money on healthcare schemes and agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!

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"........agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!"

The rice scam has cost every Thai citizen THB8,000 - 10,000 in taxation revenue. With the exception of PTP who used it to buy votes, those involved in the massive corruption like the G2G deal, the wealthy farmers who raked most of the subsidy, the warehouse owners who have been paid more than the stock is worth, and the land owners that savagely increased rents, how has the general public benefitted from it?

If Pheu Thai used it to "buy votes", then it must have benefited an awful lot of people.

I travel to Isan a lot for work, and I really saw things change for the better in the past 3 years.

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The politics of division had gone too far. When you have one side contemplating civil war and splitting a country in two it is time to chill the f### up and let someone sort things out before the bloodshed begins and years and piles of bodies later try to figure out where all went wrong.

The whole civil war and separatism talk happened because people wanted to live in a democracy, but Suthep was using violence to shut down elections, with the blessing of the military, who many correctly suspected were planning a coup.

Had the military instead declared that they would protect the elections, then few people would have been interested in secession.

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Come on. I dare you to reply. Tell me who was less qualified in the Junta line up (which is a military dictatorship) compared to a more qualified candidate under a democratically elected government under the PTP?

Remember the Junta can put who they want in power. The PTP have to listen to the voice of the people.

"Tell me who was less qualified in the Junta line up (which is a military dictatorship) compared to a more qualified candidate under a democratically elected government under the PTP?"

For starters what do you think of the navy chief becoming the education minister?

BTW don't you know that it is now officially forbidden to refer to the junta as a military dictatorship?

"Remember the Junta can put who they want in power. The PTP have to listen to the voice of the people."

555 we can't have a government that listens to the voice of the people now can we? Who knows where that might lead. Heaven forbid, they might even spend money on something that benefits subhuman peasants, denying the Hi-So "khon di" their god-given right to lay their blessed hands on the vast majority of taxpayers money.

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Thats the problem with politica here, when you dont get your own way, kick up a fuss, start rallying and it escalates from there. IMHO the coup happened because no one was willing to compromise for the sake of the country. The Junta have been in power for about 4 months, they say there will be elections in just over a years time, thats not long in politics, the Reds should give them that time, that another problem here, cant wait must have it now and now is never soon enough, part of the culture, its the way Thais live and buy / get into debt etc. This circle needs to be broken or history will go on repeating itself and Thailand never remembers ( they dont teach history).

I hope that it is false alarm and the Junta can fulfill what they said they would do, change the political landscape, rules/constitution etc and in a years time we will maybe, just maybe, see a new Thailand emerging, I am optimistic, although there are plenty here who are not.

Please explain why you think the army has some kind of moral right to be able to suspend democracy for any period of time at all.

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Do you really think that Thailand was democratic before the Army took over. It appeared to me that the Thaksin group were in Government due to vote buying at the Taxpayers expense...ie....The Thaksin Village loan scheme. 70,000 Thai villages were given an amount of baht to be lent out to villagers on the condition they voted for the "Red Shirts". The latest scheme of Thaksin was to give Rice Growers double the going market rate for their rice......another vote buying scheme and we know what happened to that. Is it democratic that opponents of red shirts in Isaan could stand for election without being threatened or killed??

The army had to do what they did to get Thailand to get back on track to true democracy and clean up the mess Thaksin and family left it in.

OMG it is so undemocratic for the government to spend taxpayers' money on healthcare schemes and agricultural subsidies that actually benefit the general public!!!

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Why are so many farangs here condemning Thais that actually have a right to vote, unlike many of those who call them everything from terrorists, to trouble makers ?

Have you forgotten it's actually their country, and whether you like it or not, the anti coup protesting Thais actually have more rights to do so, than 99% of the Farangs that condemn them...

Why come on stirring up trouble with your quote " so many farrangs here condemning re Thais the vote"

Bull and a load of that. Where did you see this ever put on TVF ??? and the anti PTP protesters have the same rights. without digging in behind tires and sharpened bamboos/armed.

The intervention was to stop this happening again, and is smoothing the way to a better Thailand--if that is not good enough, why post.

Why is it stirring things up? The Farangs that have the right to vote, are entitled to voice their opinions whether their pro-or anti coup, exactly the same as the Thais who actually have more rights seeing as it is their country.

So you're saying that nobody here in this thread, has criticised a handful of Thais who are anti coup?

If you consider that stirring things up, I'd presume that you actually don't have a right to vote, and that anything you say is just a waste of time, as it's irrelevent to the.

The right to vote sir, is the same as the right to protest, regardless of whether it is right or wrong, or what party you champion I care not if they are red/yellow, green white, blue or turquoise, it's the right of Thai citizens who are supposed to have a democratic right to say who should and should not run their country, over the opinions of a few self inflated Farangs who seem to believe they are more Thai than the very people protesting against the coup.

If you really think everything is roses and chocolates, then you're dillousional into the bargain, there are plenty of people who oppose the coup, but they cannot do it openly otherwise they'll get arrested, and "educated". It's no different here, for those who don't agree withthe coup, it's one way traffic, it suits the powers that be just fine, it suits those who want to pretty much gloat over the die hard PTP supporters as they can bait them, and I've seen it, and get away with it, doesn't really bother me.

The coup never altered a single thing in the village where I live, it never impacted anyones life, nobody was ever in fear of their life of being attacked before , during or after the coup, and I think you'll find that is the case in the vast majority of the country.

Is life really better in rural areas? Has life actually changed so differently in these areas since the coup? The one thing that has been significant is that now, you can no longer speak out about who's running the country.. unlike before eh?

If you and many others honestly believe that the PTP/UDD are dead and buried, then the reforms don't really need 12-18 months to complete, after all, the claims that the majority of the country should now result in a complete landslide victory for the Democrats or whatever party the good General will decide to throw his weight behind.. even if you held a sudden snap election in 2 months..

This topic is about red shirt activists/groups/threats to the government putting wrongs to rights.

Rural area opposed to the red shirts were not allowed to show it, or they received less benefits from the village head. TRUE. Why the red villages controlled,?? so your rural life bit is propaganda as is the rest of the post.

The baiting on TVF is mostly from the losers who will not cede. frustrated that the PTP were thrown out lock stock and barrel.

We are supposed to be on topic but the embarrassment of the reds underground movement is causing the topic to get diverted about elections Dems-coup. Thacksin must have knowledge of these red movements, or else who is funding them, and who is abroad stirring trouble.

You know as a red supporter I'm so embarrassed I just want to sink through the floor here! How dare people write a letter speaking out against a military coup! It is such a despicable act isn't it?

On that topic, I'm also deathly ashamed of the actions of my home country's government, which has also stepped out of line by criticising the coup. I mean didn't they know they were breaking Prayuth's newly imposed laws when they condemned the coup? Not to mention barring the junta leaders from entering the country *sees red*

All of these miscreants need to be rounded up and extradited to Thailand for court martial and attitude adjustments while held incommunicado in a military camp.

The fact that if I had praised the group in Japan (and therefore criticised the coup), then my post would have been deleted has nothing to do with it. My failure to stay on topic was purely due to embarrassment.

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The coup never altered a single thing in the village where I live, it never impacted anyones life, nobody was ever in fear of their life of being attacked before , during or after the coup, and I think you'll find that is the case in the vast majority of the country.

Is life really better in rural areas? Has life actually changed so differently in these areas since the coup? The one thing that has been significant is that now, you can no longer speak out about who's running the country.. unlike before eh?

If the junta stop the rice subsidy (like they said they would), then I can see life in rural areas changing quite a bit, just not for the better. With more money available to spend, the farmers stimulated the economy quite a lot in towns such as Ubol. People were taking advantage of the increase in money floating around and getting off the land and doing things like learning trades and starting small businesses.

But if the farmers stop having disposable income, then a lot of people that relied on them for a living are going to have no choice but to go back to the land.

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I am not necessarily discrediting his intentions. I am discrediting his legitimacy to govern. That is all. Regarding his achievements, one could argue that Thaksin did more in 3 years, than the Dems did in 20 years... but that is a moot point.

That may well be true, if "did more" was a euphemism for "stole".

That's why I said it was moot. Because if you look at them closely you will see that they are both as bad as the other. The difference is simply who they serve. That is all. The SLORC serves the old brigade, the other group serve the hillbillies. And yes "serve" is a euphemism for ripping everyone off blind and padding the wallets of themselves, their friends and relatives and paying off those who facilitate them. On both sides. Or I am the easter bunny.

Except that one side relies on elections to get into power, which puts an upper limit on what they can get away with. Compare this to the other side, which relies on coups and dodgy court decisions, which means they can get away with anything they want, since they are accountable to themselves.

One side advocated secession so that they could be free of the other side, which wants to keep the country together so they can keep launching coups whenever they feel like it to lord it over those "too stupid to vote".

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Plot against coup? I say plot against stability. Plot against peace. Plot against innocent civilians. No coup here. And to think, the ones in Japan were part of the terrorist organization that spilt the blood of over 20 innocent civilians while the PTP let them do it with impunity. Of course they are upset. They are being held accountable at last. Red's hate accountability.

The definition of a coup is “a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.” This however does not provide much analytical assessment of the purpose behind these events. Coups can be conducted by a small group of rebels, or by a group backed by an entire insurgent movement. What happened in May was not a coup, but a counter-coup. The PTP and UDD, an insurgent movement and a party with an accused terrorist, accused mass murderer and convicted criminal fugitive as it's unelected leader conducted the actual coup over the past 3 years when it manipulated the democratic process and ignored the voice of the people while pushing through amnesty bills to allow the PM's brother to return to Thailand a free man. The Thai military and the majority (not a 43% majority mind you) of the populace recognized this and reversed the coup. They preserved their nation and reclaimed their country allowing peace and stability to flourish again.

No coup here. It is a democracy restoration team returning democracy to a country that has not seen it for years.

Prayuth's seizure of power in May was definitely "sudden" (he had been saying he his imposition of martial law was "not a coup"), "violent" (if armed robbery is classed as a violent crime even if you don't fire a shot, then we can apply the same logic here), and definitely illegal under the existing laws at the time (whatever hand waving retrospective amnesties he may have given himself later).

555 restoring democracy by getting rid of elections. But like I said to you in another thread, I believe that you are actually a red supporter satirising the other side. If so then you are brilliant.

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Here again is another example of keeping the Thais ill informed. Now you see the difference ??? the army IS informing the people what it's aims are.

Are you forgetting the Shins Amnesty bill ?? it started all the upsets here but you will not believe that--cause your main DIG is elections again to let the people vote--Pathetic.

In 2011 everyone knew that a vote for Yingluck was a vote for Thaksin. He described her as his "clone" and she did nothing to dispel that. So please don't pretend that Pheu Thai kept people in the dark about its aims.

The amnesty bill started all the upsets? Suthep admits that he had been plotting to overthrow Pheu Thai even before the 2011 election.

The fact that you call people "pathetic" for wanting "elections again to let the people vote" says a lot about you.

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ooooooh, let the people vote, how pathetic is that!

You know that someone is either uninformed or not speaking the truth when they say things like 'the army IS informing the people what it's aims are"

The army is talking about everything except it's "aims".

This is a complete lie---it informs the Thai people every Friday of what it is doing, do keep up. your anti army stance is just that.

Like when the army "informed" people that it had not shut down Facebook (whatever any Telnor executive may have said)? Like when the army "informed" that it had not taken Kritsuda into custody, despite having done so 3 days earlier? Like when the army "informed" people that it was not launching a coup?

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They should be paranoid.

They, like all dictatorial regimes, are outnumbered 100/1.

Fear the day people realize that and stand up for themselves.

Sadly, the only people sense to see the junta for what it is have left the country.

The ones who have "left the country" are the crims with something to hide, the ones who were happily getting away with it under the PTP.

Yet another good thing about the Military coup, flushed the rats out of the house and back to the sewers.

Does "something to hide" include believing in elections? Because right now you can get locked up for making that public.

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Every country has some limits on freedom of speech--you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater and stuff like that. I can name many countries where people are free to criticize their government, but Thailand isn't one of them.

I have a strong idea you are wrong. Here criticism is accepted if it is CONSTRUCTIVE there is no problem and the PM is listening to all walks of life.

This propaganda you talk about everything is gagged is ridiculous. IF on the other hand anyone wants to try to halt the progress made with OTT rumours or disruptive actions they will come up against a backhander.

This NON freedom of speech talk is a TVF apologist trend to disrupt as much as possible, therefore strong unnecessary comments are deleted.

There is no reason for anyone to slag off the PM at this stage as the work he is doing is thorough and good.

Here are the reasons TVF apologists disrupt. PTP/Shins are not in power----non elected government----total control by the military--- WHY ??

Because a lousy non democratic government shot it'self in the foot and caused chaos --through the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin---that's it in a nutshell.

Gangs of reds will creep into anywhere where they can still disrupt, seemingly against anything that is anti-Thaksin. They must be on some sort of payroll as a last ditch effort to dislodge. Stupid as they will never get their support back because of the over strong allegiance to Thaksin.

What the hell are you talking about? Look at the things the junta has suppressed and the comments people have been arrested for making. The junta has even banned Tropico 5 for God's sake.

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Hit a nerve did I ??? Thaksins gag on news and media in general ??/ have you forgot that---problem is that it is not in your agenda to acknowledge the other side of the coin. Thaksins idea on it was to not let anyone know what was going on, Thai rack Thai example---the army to protect against hostile elements FOR NOW. see the difference.??

Are you seriously suggesting that there is more free speech now than under Red governments?

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