lilkitty

You are claiming that they are not protesters? What are they doing behind barricades in the middle of a firefight?

If you have proof that they are protesters, please show it.

Otherwise I assume they're behind the barricades so that they don't get shot and killed?

That would be the logical explanation.

Maybe Einstein has a better one, who knows.

Nobody should believe CNN, BBC or other news networks anymore. They're all liars.

They should be kicked off the TV and instead replaced with Sondhi's unbiased and truthful programs.

Like http://www.antithaksin.com/

Publications include:

Now THAT is what I call good journalism. Totally unbiased. Gives you the full story, no facts withheld.

I wonder if the FaceBook fanclub helped him get laid.

I think anyone that at this point can't see what the "Battle of the Chinese" is all about, has very little knowledge of Thailand. It's a battle between Sondhi and Thaksin, the master and his apprentice, respectively.

Abhisit said the number of 'terrorists' among red-shirt protesters was relatively small. Most red shirts were ordinary citizens.

The Nation, May 30, 2010.

This is very sad indeed, but did they not realize that they were there illegally, ruining the economy and thousands of people's lives? Had they not been warned repeatedly to leave?

Leave? And go where? You realize that many people actually live in Bangkok? What about the people that live in those little wooden houses on the dirty Klong? Go where? Holiday in Phuket? Koh Samui? Not everyone has the money to just leave and go on holiday.

How exactly can the roadmap be implemented if there are no elections held? I thought the entire purpose of the roadmap was it leading to elections?

Here is a video of an emergency worker saying the army stormed the temple and killed 6 people at overnight. You need to understand Thai so you might need to ask your wife to translate. (Warning: graphic images).

Well I asked the wife as she talks Thai better than me

And it seems a lot better than you

At no time did he say he had proof it was the Army

he was saying he a saw the army above and when the people where killed he assumed it must have been the army

He could of coarse at this distance tell if they were really army people or people just dressed in army clothes

Now if you where Thaskin and knew you where going to loose

what's the best way to discredit the Government

and if you have members of your black/red army mingled with others

Any one who has played Chess know's the aim of the game is to Check Mate the King

and how many pawn's you sacrifice to achieve this is part of the game plan

I didn't say anywhere that he had "proof" that the army killed them. I said he "said" it, just like you did say he said it.

I think we should just all agree that the red shirts killed 88 of their own people and the army shot all their live ammunition into the air (which by the way never came down, so no risk there either, all bullets got stuck in the clouds) or used rubber bullets. The army killed absolutely nobody.

The nurse that was shot in the back while attending a red shirt protester was shot by another red shirt protester because he was angry that his "comrade" was being attended by a sexy nurse. The paramedic that was shot in the head while attending a red shirt protester was also shot by another red shirt, because the guy that was shot had sex with his mia noi, so he didn't want him saved, so he shot the paramedic.

All the journalists that said the army as firing at unarmed civilians are all liars, that's why they became journalists, to get shot and then tell a lie.

What else? Oh yeah, the guy in civilian clothing running together with the army and shooting in the same direction as the army was added later into the video by Steven Spielberg's special effects studio, who was bought by Thaksin.

Finally, all the photos of dead unarmed civilians are Photoshopped by Thaksin's son.

Why didn't I see this earlier? Now it all makes sense.

Here is a video of an emergency worker saying the army stormed the temple and killed 6 people at overnight. You need to understand Thai so you might need to ask your wife to translate. (Warning: graphic images).

No, I mean the innocent civilians that were shot in the temple and the foriegn reports that were shot, and the countless number of other innocent people that were killed under his leadership.

You have proof of who shot these people?

The head monk of the temple said the army shot the nurse in the back while she was assisting a wounded red shirt demonstrator that had also been shot in the temple.

Of course, you can't believe a monk in Thailand, everyone knows they're all liars.

It's funny that whenever a demonstrator is accused of shooting at the army, there is no proof needed. But there's always proof needed when the army shoots a red shirt protester.

There's another incident that was caught on camera, of a paramedic helping a red shirt protester and he gets shot in the head, drops dead on the floor.

Both sides shot and killed people, be fair at least.

Why is the 'terrorist' running together with the soldiers?

This is not good news.

In my HO, the government should hold a "snap" election ASAP. If they wait until the scheduled time(2011) the "reds' will just argue that the current Gov't will influence, or otherwise corrupt the outcome. This move, in no way, addresses the "split" that currently exists in the Kingdom.

But I,m just a stupid farang, so what do I know.

How exactly would you suggest elections that are free and fair be run ASAP? Will you garauntee the safety of non-red candidates to campaign in Isaan?

Red leaders have spoken about "guerilla warfare" ... how would you deal with that whilst campaigning?

The red propoganda machine is still pumping out lies in Isaan and the North (as well as on here) ... how would you deal with that?

Elections are due in about 13 months ...The Constitution needs to be worked on (by all parties) and some things like resolving some of the issues surrounding the red leadership must be addressed. The budget it almost done. That leaves the constitution and beginning on the roadap for reconciliation.

THEN elections.

You forget that the Democrats will mostly likely dissolved after the 12. August.

There is a confidence of 90% that exactly that will happen, because the evidence in the 258 million donation case and the 29 million misused funds case us pretty clear. (Thai Rath article in google cache)

That comes from Maj-Gen Kittisak Ratprasert, he is very far from the suspicion to be a red shirt propaganda clown. He comes more from the inner circle of the 'power'.

There will be new by-elections, but party list seats like the one of Abhisit will not get refilled and without them the new-"democrats" will not be able to get a majority again to form a government.

and beginning next week we have the censure debate. Abhisits majority is very slim. That he now declares there will be no election this year is mostly aimed at his own MPs who are more or less pure yellow heads and never agreed with an earlier election right from the beginning.

but on the moderate site could be a few swing voters, will they be still loyal to an PM who is responsible for such bloody and deadly crackdown? It doesn't need much MP who changed their mind and want to keep a clean conscience. That can bring this Government down.

Interesting observation. Right now the momentum is on the Democrats side, no doubt. If they held elections now, they would most likely win an absolute majority. But what happens when the Democrats are dissolved? Let's face the truth, there is no chance they won't be dissolved, because otherwise the other side will cry double standards and massive street rallies will be back in no time. If they're dissolved, Puea Thai will do everything to brand them as what they've been saying they are all along and momentum will swing back to Puea Thai. Then come the new by-elections and guess what happens?

We should all head back into the bunkers for round 2 of the demonstrations, as soon as the rice season finishes.

My watch tells me it's May 30th, but this article has a date of April 1st. Why is that?

I didn't know TheNation employed teenage high-school girls.

The reds said that if the government attacked them that something big will happen. Well now you see what they mean: the fire bombing of Bangkok. No one seems to see the link.

I see that, don't worry. I'm sure everyone sees it.

What I don't understand is why the sprinklers didn't work at CentralWorld to extinguish the fire. Could it have been related to the water turned off by the government so that the red shirts couldn't shower anymore?

I said nothing about taking money out of Thailand. Thaksin is in Dubai, so clearly any money used to fund the red shirts would have come into Thailand. The money I'm talking about is the money that the red shirt leaders allegedly received from Thaksin as payment. It's just hard to believe they would keep it in Thai bank accounts, since Thaksin's accounts were frozen and they must have surely known about the government keeping an eye on all their accounts.

There were reports of Thaksin relatives withdrawing some 1.2 billion bt from local banks in recent weeks.

His wife, wasn't it? The reason she gave to the bank was "to buy lottery tickets". Seriously, sometimes I'm wondering if the government really is that ....well, dense? To put it nicely. Or if they're letting the Shinawatra's off the hook every time on purpose.

Remember Thaksin leaving for China to watch the Olympic Games? He left with dozens of boxes full of cash from Suvarnabhumi. Don't tell me nobody knew about that. And don't tell me either that they didn't exactly know that he was never coming back.

The same with not knowing that Thaksin's wife wouldn't use the 1.2 billion Baht to buy lottery tickets.

If anyone's dense it would be the SCB staff then. And we all know where SCB's loyalty lies. Strange way of debating...

Who owns Siam Commercial Bank again? That's why it doesn't make sense to me. Look it up and then let me know.

Hey monkey, I'm missing the warrants against Aghisit and his horde for murde innocent people.

Do you have any brain or lost it last night in a bar???

I have yet to see a single innocent murdered in the riots...enlighten us please.

The Japanese photographer really his camera was an anti aircraft gun. we were only defending ourselves. My condolences to all the families that lost their loved ones.

PLEASE LEARN HOW TO QUOTE AND FIX YOUR POST -- YOU ARE ATTRIBUTING TO ME SOMETHING I NEVER SAID

Well, you're doing the same thing all day, jcbangkok. Saying people said this and that when they never did.

Looks like Karma is catching up with you.

Here's one for the Pussy.

Shoppers attacked by a Red mob as they try to leave Central World Plaza yesterday.

Ahh, such brave & peaceful Red Shirts.

Yesterday???

Funny how youtube dates the posting as April 3rd and some of the comments go back a month????

GungaDin, liar liar, pants on fire.

I definitely don't support the actions in the video, but it clearly shows how some people here twist the truth and facts to their own advantage.

I said nothing about taking money out of Thailand. Thaksin is in Dubai, so clearly any money used to fund the red shirts would have come into Thailand. The money I'm talking about is the money that the red shirt leaders allegedly received from Thaksin as payment. It's just hard to believe they would keep it in Thai bank accounts, since Thaksin's accounts were frozen and they must have surely known about the government keeping an eye on all their accounts.

There were reports of Thaksin relatives withdrawing some 1.2 billion bt from local banks in recent weeks.

His wife, wasn't it? The reason she gave to the bank was "to buy lottery tickets". Seriously, sometimes I'm wondering if the government really is that ....well, dense? To put it nicely. Or if they're letting the Shinawatra's off the hook every time on purpose.

Remember Thaksin leaving for China to watch the Olympic Games? He left with dozens of boxes full of cash from Suvarnabhumi. Don't tell me nobody knew about that. And don't tell me either that they didn't exactly know that he was never coming back.

The same with not knowing that Thaksin's wife wouldn't use the 1.2 billion Baht to buy lottery tickets.

I wouldn't be surprised if the international media was leaning towards the red side in this conflict, considering the ridiculous number of reporters that have been injured and killed. Remember the Japanese reporter, where the army refused to release the report if he was killed by the red shirts or by the army. I wonder why the army would refuse to release the report if it was the red shirts that killed him. Or the guy that was shot several times by the army after he identified himself as a reporter.

Here's one for the Pussy.

Shoppers attacked by a Red mob as they try to leave........ Fill in the dots.

Ahh, such brave & peaceful Red Shirts.

There were shoppers at Central World yesterday? You're joking, right?

The army declared the area a "Live Firing Zone". What were they doing "shopping"?

Since Central World was closed for more than a month due to the protests, they were most likely looters. Surely not shoppers.

Ok, I have deleted the ref to CWP.

Now what?

You may have deleted the reference to "Central World Plaza", but the video title on the YouTube website still says that "2 shoppers were attacked at Central World Plaza". I'm sorry, but something is clearly wrong. If they were attacked at Central World Plaza, which is what it seems like from the video. What were they doing there? The area was a "Live Firing Zone". If they came out of Central World Plaza, which is what it seems from the video, I'm sorry to say they were LOOTERS, not shoppers, and were most likely beaten up for that reason. I don't support beating up people, don't get me wrong, but these guys apparently walked out of Central World Plaza, according to the guy that shot the video. And Central World Plaza wasn't open for shopping for over a month. So what were they doing there? Shopping? While the stores were closed? I'd call that looting, sorry.

Kitty, you said they WERE IN THE TEMPLE & you made another statement of fact that Abhisit said in a BBC interview that he would RESIGN IF THINGS GOT WORSE

Kitty, Please provide something to back up these statement of facts or let us know you are not speaking truths here. or at minimum stating opinion and bad memories as facts

BBC's HardTalk with Abhisit.

He didn't say it Kitty and neither do you have anything to back up your claims about the monks.

Uh, yeah he did. Anyone can watch it and decide it for themselves if Einstein is right or if Kitty is right *scratch scratch rawr rawr*

Yes, 100% as I have full confidence that authorities are not arresting Monks without cause just as they were not targeting reporters with snipers ... neither would serve any purpose and would only hurt their cause.

Oh, and beyond your friend ... any link to prove your statement they were taken from the Temple?

No doubt we will know more about what went on inside the temple when the smoke clears. There is at least one report that suggests this may turn out to be quite significant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/as...nd-1977647.html

I have no way of knowing whether this is true, but the story is going to have plenty of resonance in Baan Nok, especially when the wounded and the bodies are returned to the NE.

Interesting article, thank you. No doubt stories like these will spread like wildfire in the North and North East.

Kitty, you said they WERE IN THE TEMPLE & you made another statement of fact that Abhisit said in a BBC interview that he would RESIGN IF THINGS GOT WORSE

Kitty, Please provide something to back up these statement of facts or let us know you are not speaking truths here. or at minimum stating opinion and bad memories as facts

BBC's HardTalk with Abhisit.

"Bangkok govornor: Bt100 million needed to restore and renovate the city. /via @veen_NT

TAN: INN: Education Minister will hold a meeting 2 evaluate situ to consider whether opening of school terms in Bkk needed to be postponed "

I know the Baht is strong at the moment, but Bt100 million wouldn't restore much

100 million Baht? Roughly 3 million USD? Thank god we have a governor that knows so much about finances. All my worries are put to rest now.

Silly cat! He is talking about the roads and sidewalks. Everything else, buildings, property, BTS, power lines, BTS cameras, are not not owned by the city. Total estimated damage is about 50 billion baht.

Almost exactly what was confiscated from Thaksin!!!!

Do you think this is coincidence?

Not at all. If you look back in my posts, I said a while ago that it surely wasn't coincidence that Rajprasong was chosen as the protest site. If you look at the landlords and tenants in the area, it should be obvious to anyone that Thaksin's response to his confiscated money was "I lost money, now you lose money". Sadly they walked right into his trap. I'm wondering why they didn't saw it coming. Since the government were the ones that pushed them from the bridge, where their initial demonstrations were based, straight into Rajprasong. Remember they they weren't at Rajprasong during the whole demonstrations. The government wanted the bridge cleared and told them to "go elsewhere".

They should have addressed the problem while it was still at the bridge.

Here's one for the Pussy.

Shoppers attacked by a Red mob as they try to leave Central World Plaza yesterday.

Ahh, such brave & peaceful Red Shirts.

There were shoppers at Central World yesterday? You're joking, right?

The army declared the area a "Live Firing Zone". What were they doing "shopping"?

Since Central World was closed for more than a month due to the protests, they were most likely looters. Surely not shoppers.

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

I would think the money is being kept hidden under your red hat.

Who would dream of searching a kitty?

Thaksin's Mata Hari.

A dream come true for you.

I will nominate you for thoughtless post of the day.