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Wanted to go thru Khao Yai today and they asked more than 400 Baht for entry fee and bike fee. I showed my bike license but they told me that "the boss (from Khao Yai) has decided to stop this rule" and now farang have to pay full price even with driving license. Rule changed 1-2 months ago they told me.

Someone here who knows more?

I guess in thai law a visor is a visor. There will be no difference in law between the "normal" visor and the inner "retractable". They both can be opened or closed, so there isnt any real difference. For sure using a tinted visor is dangerous in the dark.

But most of our imported helmets are not legal because they lack a Thai Industrial Standard sticker. So i would say it doesnt really matter if the visor is legal if the whole helmet is not

I'd say it matters if the visor is legal, because the cops fine you for the dark visor but not for the lack of a sticker.

Of course it would be pretty stupid for them to fine me for wearing a high spec imported Shoei helmet because it lacks a "Thai standard" sticker, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it were to happen

But isnt the visor part of most helmet safety tests? So how can a visor be legal if the helmet it is produced/tested for is not? But whatever, it sure is confusing...

And you are right, if the cops fine us it matters, whatever law they pull out of the hat to do it

I guess in thai law a visor is a visor. There will be no difference in law between the "normal" visor and the inner "retractable". They both can be opened or closed, so there isnt any real difference. For sure using a tinted visor is dangerous in the dark.

But most of our imported helmets are not legal because they lack a Thai Industrial Standard sticker. So i would say it doesnt really matter if the visor is legal if the whole helmet is not

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>...however not all drivers on the left dual carriage way give way at this intersection.

I am sure they all give way to bigger vehicles. But if you come along on your bike thingy thinking you are doing right...

I know some of these kind of intersections. Some even have no signs at all and you dont know for sure who has right of way. Very dangerous if you come along first time and dont know the situation, less dangerous for the people living nearby.

Glad nothing happens. Keep it this way.

Commiting suicide by self drowning yourself in a swimming pool? Sound like BS to me.

Seriously? In the land of price haggling, it's not done with new vehicles?

No. Seriously. Even as a thai no chance mostly.

Imo 120k-130k would be a fair price for the Forza.

How much DO YOU think a human "is worth"? Would 75,000 be enough? 750,000? Would this change anything? But for sure it would raise the quote for hit and runs...

Instead of throwing people in jail for years in case something bad happens, there should be a serious enforcement of revoking driving licenses in case of endangering other road users. If people then keep on driving without license, then its time to throw them in jail.

I was gonna buy one years ago, but was in SP320 and they had motion alarms for 400 baht.

I bought 2 for the sake of it.

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Much better than I ever imaged they would be.

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Guess you arent talking about Xena disc locks alarms, are you? Xena should be more expensive than 400 Baht.

What model/brand are you using? Picture possible? I saw alarm locks at Tesco for 500 Baht, chinese brand. But dont know if they are any good.

There isnt something like "the safest color". Visibility always depends on the colors of the environment you are in. Current researches suggest that (at daylight/sunshine) high viz colors are better for city riding while dark colors are better in rural environment. There are some pros and cons for high viz imo. Consider that people in thailand arent used to them like the people in western countries are. This can be good or bad, depends on situation.

http://www.pandarider.com/XENA/XENAOrder.html

Is that an expresso coffee maker on the right hand side in front of the engine?

For better balance the coffee comes from both sides.

Seems like a pretty complicated task to refuel this bike coffee machine:

http://ignite6.jp/en/

Ready to spread fear and terror - or maybe just thumbs up everywhere?

Mad Max meets Alien meets Captain Nemo

But you know that here people do not use the lanes markings. Why should they use them on a roundabout? Some people would go were they want and create chaos for all. In my area there are several crossings and roundabouts with clear markings. No one follows them. All go like its "natural" for them (cut corners, going straight, going fast, overtaking while turning, etc.). And to be honest, the markings often are stupid. They are just color on the street. No one ever took the time for a serious planning of the markings (width, course, etc.). And all suggestions to ease thai traffic wont work until there is no police enforcing rules seriously imo.

Thanks Myaimistrue. This is a great piece of TV history you found, written by our beloved Hehehoho:

I like the Thai version.

The lights are red, the heat shimmering off the clear raceway in front of you, the tension's building, the 1974 Honda Wave next to you is smoking, the rider twitching in energetic anticipation as he checks out your machine among the revs of his 110cc beast, hands and feet nervously unsteady, then before the light hits green he's off, redlining at 6000rpm, body in full tuck, the smoke clears as everyone else waves it away from their faces, he's 20 meters in front of everyone, no one along side him, the victor, he isn't only going to humiliate you through victory, but embarrass you through gloating, the leg comes out, it announcing his great victory via a few flicks of the foot and waves of the knee, clearly the better rider has won.

And I was only going down to the seven to buy some milk.

Classic

Do you recall the other incident of the leg kick and accident, and who would have posted it? I'd love to find that one!

Sorry i dont remember. Such a loooooong time ago. I was just on my way "to adapt thai riding style" back in these good old days

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No, its not really what the OP is about. But hopefully having some fun is still allowed. Dont be too serious, rider

Thanks Myaimistrue. This is a great piece of TV history you found, written by our beloved Hehehoho:

I like the Thai version.

The lights are red, the heat shimmering off the clear raceway in front of you, the tension's building, the 1974 Honda Wave next to you is smoking, the rider twitching in energetic anticipation as he checks out your machine among the revs of his 110cc beast, hands and feet nervously unsteady, then before the light hits green he's off, redlining at 6000rpm, body in full tuck, the smoke clears as everyone else waves it away from their faces, he's 20 meters in front of everyone, no one along side him, the victor, he isn't only going to humiliate you through victory, but embarrass you through gloating, the leg comes out, it announcing his great victory via a few flicks of the foot and waves of the knee, clearly the better rider has won.

And I was only going down to the seven to buy some milk.

Classic

I am happy i was able to avoid these dangerous tests, guess i would have failed (fallen) too

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Yep, thats what makes every single product from China unique. Not this boring "everything perfect" from germany or japan

The bike from the OP sure is unique. Everytime i overtake such Platinum cruiser i turn my head and have a good look at it. I like these bikes. Cannot really say why. There is something special with them for sure.

I would like to see such "balance beam" used for bike license in Thailand. Somone here having a picture? I never had to do the test as i just converted my home country licenses.

Before you can conclude that something is happening, you first need to determine that it's happening.

As you couldn't be bothered to back up your own statements, I took the liberty of doing it for you. So far, 72 posters have responded

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Of these, 17 have observed what you have and 23 have not. The remaining 31 have merely commented without stating clearly one way or the other. Of the 23, I know for a fact that many of them are actual riders, either having ridden with them or meet up with them. Of the 17, I know of some who are riders but some who don't ride (in Thailand, by their own admission).

With regards to a helmet cam, surely do must realise that the cam can be detached from the helmet? Duh.....

Wow, looks like you needed a lot of time for this analysis. I dont think that it is of any use. There are many people who do not write so much about their riding, others write a lot about it. And what is a "actual rider"? Nearly everyone in thailand sometimes rides a scooter and can post his/hers opinion. For me every opinion counts, not only those who ride big bikes or who like to talk a lot about their riding.

Btw, good idea to use a camera. I would be interested to see some footage too. I usually focus on the street while city riding and try to ignore everything that is not important for my safety. Not sure i am one of the 17 or 23 or 31.

EDIT:

After submitting this post i saw the title of this thread again: "Many Thai drivers/riders become aggressive when you overtake them. Why?"

Why are we now talking about riding too slow? How can you overtake someone and at the same moment ride too slow?

That was exactly my point when I said someone takes off from stop light and then just "potter about". It is possible to out-accelerate someone and then ride slow when you get up to "your" speed. Many on the smaller bikes would probably want to ride faster but can't accelerate that hard so they get stuck behind a riders who's not willing to ride waster. I would get pissed too at this type of riders.

Sounds as if this could be one possible reason for what the OP is saying. Some cars do this too, they try to block you from passing them. Maybe some riders do this too.

Or maybe some riders just have fun accelerating at green light and then fall back to their normal speed. We all want to have some fun. Nothing wrong about it. Who wants to force me to always ride fast? Why being negative and call this "pottering".

Seems there are many different characters on public streets. Same as on this forum. Sound normal that some different opinions result in trouble. At the end its space payed and shared by the public. If i want to accelerate hard at the lights and then keep on riding with just 50kmh it should be OK. If others see this as annoyance and get agressive something is wrong imo.

There are already some interesting thoughts here. Riding "too slow" can cause agression. But it shouldnt! There isnt any traffic law saying i have to accelerate full throttle when lights get green. And no law saying i have to risk my life by going fast through traffic jams. And so on. If thais get agressive about this its not OK. It isnt OK in western countries either, but this is Thailand and so we discuss circumstances in Thailand.

And there is a big difference between our home countries and Thailand. In our home countries people honk the horn and such things. Here they push you from the street and really endanger you. You get forced to adapt, to ride faster than you want. Even many serious big bike riders admit to this.

And why does it happen? Because there is basically no law enforced. Some like this, others dont. I dont care, its not my country. But many thais dont like it, this i know for sure. So dont say its the "thai way, stop whining". Its more than justified to talk about it.

EDIT:
After submitting this post i saw the title of this thread again: "Many Thai drivers/riders become aggressive when you overtake them. Why?"
Why are we now talking about riding too slow? How can you overtake someone and at the same moment ride too slow?

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And, many thai people call a 150cc a big bike. Whats the problem?

EDIT:

Why is the size of the bike important for the topic of this thread? Some people with big bikes report agressive behaviour, others with smaller bikes.