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A scooter has smaller brakes, tires, shorter wheelbase and so on, because its not made for higher speeds. Its made for easy, agile low speed handling. Bigger scooters (maxxiscooters) have bigger brakes and tires and wheelbase because they can go higher speeds. Every bike has brakes and specs that fit its pupose. Of course if you pay more you get better specs.
I just recall all the wrecks that get collected everytime a new big bike model gets on the market in thailand. All the new owners sure have ridden scooters at some point before. Then they get a new big bike and many of them crash in the first weeks. If they bought a new scooter i guess no one would crash. Seems all these better brakes dont help that much...
But OK, i give up now and agree with Gweiloman. Riding a Scooter is one of the last real adventures. Its so damned unsafe, better not even think about it or you will have nightmares
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Some scratches on the SX show that we actually ride these dangerous thingies. Dont remove them all
Good papa is OK and that the frame and metal isnt bend. Just make shure to repaint those places that would start rusting.
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I own a scooter and i post my opinion in a thread with the title "Are big bikes safer than scooters". Please dont put word in my mouth and stop making speculations about me. Thank you.
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I got a pair of these recently. Lots of back of the finger and knuckle protection and air vents by the knuckles. Good wrist protection too. Most gloves that give this much protection are usually a lot more money: http://www.cyclegear.com/SEDICI-Ultimo-Race-Leather-Motorcycle-Gloves
Looks good...next time I am up at Paddocks, I may pickup a pair.. what type of jackets do you like.. under 8k..
basically looking for protection from abrasions...
Helmets, like to look at the Shark Model... or possibly one of those neon yellow helmet..hmm what do you think, the neon yellow helmet is another sign.. to hit me...?
on the pegs
>Looks good...next time I am up at Paddocks, I may pickup a pair.. what type of jackets do you like.. under 8k..
I have RevIt "Tarmac Air" and "Air Wave" bought at Panda Rider. I like them. 6-7,000 Baht each.
> ...or possibly one of those neon yellow helmet..hmm what do you think, the neon yellow helmet is another sign.. to hit me...?
You never know, people in Thailand arent used to such safety thingies. So you might get some attention that you dont really want. I had the same thoughts and decided not to wear safety colors, even though experts say they are safer (at least for city riding). But i really dont know, its an interesting question.
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Hey Papa, glad to hear you are OK. At least this is what i think i understood from your OP.
Yep, Songkran always starts earlier than you expect it. I noticed speeding drunken idiots racing up and down my street for 1-2 weeks now. Normally not so many, must be Songkran pre-partying.
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I like Allans point. At least he has the balls to think in different ways and to talk about it well knowing he will get attacked soon. Thats the way to go if you want to get new insights out of discussions. Some members dont want to understand that life and human behaviour is a bit more difficult than just thinking in yes/no and black/white categories.
But topic was "Are big bikes safer than scooters?" not "Please tell me more about your riding skills and how you would classify other members riding skills"
If I'm not mistaken, it was you that introduced riding skills into the discussion. But it is indeed a valid point, if not exactly relevant to this thread.
I might agree with the first para of your post if I have any idea of Allan's point. All I can figure out is that he claims it's safer to be unskilled than skilled. Doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
You are wrong, Gweiloman. I did not start talking about skills. You should reread this thread if you dont believe me.
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I like Allans point. At least he has the balls to think in different ways and to talk about it well knowing he will get attacked soon. Thats the way to go if you want to get new insights out of discussions. Some members dont want to understand that life and human behaviour is a bit more difficult than just thinking in yes/no and black/white categories.
But topic was "Are big bikes safer than scooters?" not "Please tell me more about your riding skills and how you would classify other members riding skills"
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When possible... leave the bike at home..
Join in the fun if it pleases you...
Teach the water throwers not to hit the bikes..
Not possible and must ride.
Expect to get wet..
Eyes alert..
Plan your rides, go early, and avoid the routes with heavy water activities..
Remember it is their THANG..
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For me, I stay in... years ago in a tuk tuk, did not see the water coming with ice cube, broke my glasses had a nice red mark on my face for a day...and a headache.. should have worn my helmet in the tuk tuk...
stay safe everyone...
In my experience you get much less water if you wear rain gear on Sonkran. Most of the water throwers realize that you dont want to be part of the game and accept it. But there are always some drunk idiots who... so be careful on your bikes and go slow.
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Its not only unanswerable. There is also the question what should be the consequence if we would agree that big bikes are "safer"? Most of the big bike riders who classify scooters as less safe own a scooter (or other type of small bike). So there must be more in life than just trying to stay safe. We all would drive a car or take taxis if not. A certain level of risk is needed by humans. Some smoke, some ride a big bike at 200kmh and others ride a scooter. Life would be much less interesting if everything would be safe.
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>As poor as I would be on a racetrack I consider myself above average when compared with the locals around here.
As there are only few farangs in Thailand (compared to the mass of thai people) you basically say you are better than most other riders. Thats what i said, the human nature.
>But, as I have said before the direct correlation between skills (perceived or otherwise)and safe riding is not at all proven, since skillful riders are prone to be proving themselves at times, which is not a safe thing to do.
Its called "risk compensation", the human nature to become more careful where they sense greater risk and less careful if they feel safer.
>That is why skillful riders have more accidents.
I am not that much interested in statistics, but from what i remember years ago its novices that have the most accidents, followed by younger riders with some experience but highly overestimating their skills and/or their bikes technology.
But without a doubt a loud Harley or a Hayabusa get a lot of respect on thai roads and this is a big contribution to the riders safety. But what if all people would ride a Harley/Hayabusa? Would it still be safer? -
The risk of buying new tech
Mate of mine had similar prob with a Honda on the track. Loose bolt, oil out all over the tyre and down he went at 160kmh.
thats nothing....
Bloke down our ways got 2 loose bolts and went down at 180 kmph......
The bloke down your way has a lot of different bikes and stories to tell i must say
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Guess talking about age isnt forbidden generally. But flaming by using things like sex, race or age is.
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The bottles i bought always looked like this:
And usually you need one or two bottles (100-200ml). Quantity should be stated on the gear box near the filler cap. At least it was on both of my Yamaha Nouovo.
http://www.thaimotorcycleparts.com/index.aspx?ProductID=Product-100205153162910
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Some members here want to do a civilized discussion about safety of different type of bikes! Please stay on topic.
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ktmjeff,
next time i'm in the Lifan shop,i will have a look at the engines, up until now, i was under the impression they all used the same 163FML-2 engine. Could be wrong.
Me being a Luddite, i personally prefer a pushrod motor for robustness and ease of maintanence. What is a PX 250?, What are they sold under and have you got a pic? Thanx.
I am with you on that pushrod point Luddie, low tech, easy adjustment and no chain works for me every time, worth the 0.1hp loss.
They should have put that engine in the Phantom, instead of that flimsy piece of crap.
I always thought the Phantom was a reliable cruiser? Since when is it considered crap? Maybe you should better change your mechanic
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Regarding skills and experience:
Human nature is like this: Ask 100 riders how they would classify themself in riding skills. 80% will say that their riding skills are "above-average".
And biking forum nature is like this: You do not even have to ask the riders about their skills. 80% will tell you about their great skills without being asked.
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I like doing short rides on my scooter wearing flip-flops and shorts. And i feel much safer doing so on a small scooter than doing the same on a bigger bike. On the scooter my feet and legs are somehow protected while riding and no stones, sticks, dogs, cars whatever can do them any harm. But again, all just feelings, not reliable facts. I would like to have ABS and better wheels. So my next small scooter is something like the Tricity ABS i guess.
I do the same - shorts and T-shirt on a scooter - jacket and Kevlar jeans on the bike. But I'm not sure if it's just about feelings. I tend to be on a scooter for low-speed trips so I guess this means less abrasion with the road in a fall? Also - a bike has more weight and there's the gas tank between your legs - so I think there's a higher chance you can get your leg stuck under a fallen bike than when riding a scooter.
So a scooter is in some points safer at lower speed city riding? Imo it is. And imo its more practical and thus more fun for city commutes.
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I like doing short rides on my scooter wearing flip-flops and shorts. And i feel much safer doing so on a small scooter than doing the same on a bigger bike. On the scooter my feet and legs are somehow protected while riding and no stones, sticks, dogs, cars whatever can do them any harm. But again, all just feelings, not reliable facts. I would like to have ABS and better wheels. So my next small scooter is something like the Tricity ABS i guess.
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Seems like those who are left are more interested in trolling. Sad.
You call all remaining members trolls and then you ask me why i not just ignore that? Great contribution to this forum. Thanks a lot.
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Gweilo, so why did you come back? To attack the members who still like this forum?
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And Gweilo, lets hope you are happy now that you own both, a "safe" big bike and an "unsafe" scooter.
Never met a guy who thinks so much about safety than you do. Hope you feel safe now. Being confident is an important factor for safe riding. So better sell your scooter soon
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Index, Real, Bilmola are all low cost brands widely available in Thailand. I would suggest buying a fullface for at least 2000 Baht. Do not buy in the supermarket. Look for a helmet store. What store depends on how much money you want to spend. Some have only cheap, some mixed, some only expensive. Shouldnt be a problem to find a helmet in Chiang Mai. Keep an open face type helmet too. Sometimes you may want to use it for very short rides. Never ever go without helmet. Even the cheapest open face helmet is better than nothing!
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Why does an inexperienced rider not need good brakes, better wheels, etc.?
Does this really make sense? Imo not.
And some even argue that it is the more power that make big bikes safer
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Looks to me that it was the connection of one pipe for the oil cooler that failed. This means the oil circuit was at least partly broken and indeed some parts of the engine maybe havent been lubed properly. But i am no bike mechanic expert. Its just my personal thought on this.
But you get a new bike. Thats good to hear. I would feel better too with a new bike. Hope they give you some money for your additional costs at least. Keep us updated.
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Looking at the bike covered in oil again i think you made the right decision. It looks like the engine lost liters of oil. The street must have been covered with it. What a mess. And how do they want to make sure to get rid of all the oil without disassembling everything? Taking a high pressure washer to the bike would be the typical thai like solution.
Good you noticed it and did not crash. Could have been much worser than just a dirty shirt and 3k Baht for the truck...
Are big bikes safer than scooters?
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No i talk about bikes and safety and accident rates that increase on big bikes, while you like to talk about riding skills.
>...a trip around Thailand of say 10,000 km or more...
So now, after an endless number of posts, you try to introduce new rules that help to proof your thesis. I prefer my scooter for city riding, i already said this several times before. For doing 10,000km i would prefer a maxi-scooter like the Maxsym 600 over my CBR150. Purely on the basis of safety and comfort. Hope this helps.
"Is a maxi-scooter a scooter or a big bike?" should be the next topic, as soon as we have finished this one. I am really keen on discussing this. Sound as thrilling as the question "What is a big bike?"