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Stupid question but what is duality? I've heard the term many times but for some reason it seemed off-putting to me and I never bothered to investigate it's meaning. I understand duality only in terms of our existence to mean opposites. Male female, up down, left right, in out, right wrong, good evil, etc. All being the flip side of the same coin. I can't recall that don Juan talked about duality but I think he did. You should be able to confirm, I think. But in all of the other material I've read, which is more than just Seth, I've never heard the phrase used. Perhaps that's why I find it off-putting? Since I don't know what it really refers to I can't say whether I believe in the existence of such a concept. I tend to go with Seth's statement below: In the most basic sense, the purpose of life is being - as opposed to not being. I would imagine that even All That Is is being. Hence All That Is would innately have purpose. I never liked terms such as enlightenment due to what that term implies. In essence, an end to a journey. A finished product. Or the concept of seeking. Seeking what? That which we currently are not? I believe that we are endlessly creative and as there is no single reality in which we can express ourselves in full we create infinite realities for that self expression. As a great artist who cannot express himself fully on the medium of a canvas alone and so expresses himself in multiple mediums. I especially find the idea of anything as absurd to be distasteful. Everything has meaning and everything has purpose and there is none of it which is better or worse than the other. And all of it is ultimately us anyway. To consider any of it as absurd is, in my mind, to then consider a portion of ourselves as absurd. Which is absurd to me. One of the reasons I've never delved into eastern religions is due to their idea that this worldly existence is somehow subpar, perhaps due to the pain which exists here, and something to suffer through (the irony) until we can finally find something called enlightenment in which suffer comes to an end, and in which we blend into oneness and, God forbid, lose our identity. No thanks. Here are some more quotes from Seth: "In your state of development you cannot easily understand the meaning of the word “purpose,” for to you the term itself implies an eventual rigidity, a goal with an end, a progression, literally, toward a nothingness that it would have to follow once a goal in those terms was achieved." [. . . ] "Both of us are obviously then portions of a larger self [referring to himself and Jane], and manifestations of it, but one does not end in the other, and one’s purpose is not to become the other. We all, quite simply, are. Keep this sort of thing in mind when you think in terms of purposes. For the word can distract you, and lead you into narrowing concepts." —TES9 Session 428 August 12, 1968 Well, the narrowing of the concept of purpose is, I agree, exactly as he stated in his first statement. I especially agree with this portion: ". . . and one’s purpose is not to become the other." In other words, we're not trying to attain some state that, at worst, is a finished state. As Seth has remarked on Heaven, it is an impossible state of existence and if there were such a thing as true death Heaven would be it. For it represents a finished state in which there can be no more growth. Yet growth is never ending. It's eternal. Whether that growth is in one direction or another to me all directions which growth takes are equal in their value and importance. In our terms that translates to, say, the decision of a youth as to what he wants to become when he finishes school. A doctor, lawyer, chimney sweeper . . . all represent growth and none is better or worse than the other. All provide avenues for fulfillment. (Although our cultural world would certainly make clear distinctions of better and worse based on remuneration. )

Well, another main reason I had for my decision to declare firmly that I know things with absolute certainty is to counter a very debilitating belief which is abhorrent to me. No one can know. I call major bullsh!t on that thoroughly impoverished notion. Which leads me to . . . I agree with you on all but the first statement, Sunmaster. Though I admit that the first is up to interpretation. If I interpret it as expressed in Christian theology - "it is for God to know" - then I consider that idea impoverished as well. For that well known phrase smacks of the idea that us lowly humans aren't allowed certain information. We cannot know what God knows in the vein that it's forbidden knowledge for us. If I interpret it in the context of the 3rd statement then it reads to me that we are not meant to come into this world with full awareness. Then I would agree. For there are no doubt a number of very practical considerations which account for our unawareness of the rest of us, our reincarnational selves, and our probable selves and other selves. Full awareness would make it impossible to have the type of experience we intended. One piece of information which we do keep hidden from ourselves, again for good reason and purpose, is the time of our death.

Life is never without doubt. Anyone who reads Seth and the like is certainly filled with doubt as they go along. I know. I know very well. I hear you about expressing ideas with absolute certainty. For myself I had a choice to make early on when I came onto this thread. Do I declare with absolute certainty what I know or do I couch it in terms like "I think" or "I believe" or "in my opinion" and other such qualifiers. I opted to declare what I know with absolute certainty. But only that which I know with absolute certainty for there is much that I do not know. I've gotten a lot of flack for my choice. But I felt that to pretend that I don't know for certain what I do know for certain is to be cowardly. Cowardly in the sense that I would give in to the avoidance of criticism. And I thought, f-it, I'm too old to waste time. Be brave. Having no purpose or meaning in life can only lead to emptiness. And that emptiness, as it finds it's eventual outlet, cannot lead to pleasant manifestations. It's an ingredient that can produce only one result. And it ain't tasty at all.

"Uhm, ok, it's no surprise to me, but maybe " the craziness and the chaos that surround us", depends by so many people having no purpose." Buy this man another drink!!! Thank you very much for that extremely astute thought, mauGR1. Seth has harped on this extensively. A life without purpose would literally drive men mad, is what he says. And for me, at least, that outcome is as obvious as the nose on my face. The cause of much of the chaos in the world can indeed be linked to the idea that there exists no purpose or meaning to life. Without meaning or purpose how is it possible to achieve fulfillment? And why would anything matter? Would that madness not manifest itself, perhaps, in the recent development of mass school shootings that are being experienced in the U.S., which are seemingly becoming everyday common occurrences as the new normal? I'm shocked to even hear the idea that existence has no purpose coming from those who are of a spiritual bent. I recall quite clearly so many science-minded folks here making that same claim. To which I would always push back on as utter nonsense. Anyway, my jaw dropped to the floor upon hearing this idea being contemplated as being an actual fact, or aspect of existence. Yes, the idea that there is no purpose behind existence is quite scary. So I have a serious question for you, Sunmaster. In a world in which the purpose within everything can clearly be seen what is it specifically that you see which leads you to the possible conclusion that existence has no purpose? I assume there is some example which you can point to. And I'll posit this: if existence is without purpose how is it that everything within existence ended up having purpose? I found this gem on the Internet this morning. It's a list which someone at Purdue University created of a number of Seth's concepts and Seth's related quotes explaining those concepts. Here are the Seth quotes which relate to the question: IN GENERAL, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXISTENCE? In the most basic sense, the purpose of life is being - as opposed to not being. In your system of three-dimensional reality you are learning about mental energy (also called thought energy or psychic energy) and how to use it. Knowledge about mental energy and its use is learned by constantly transforming your thoughts and emotions into physical form (your physical reality) and by then perceiving and dealing with the matter and events that are formed. From doing this, you are supposed to get a clear picture of your inner development as it is reflected by the exterior environment. You participate in physical reality so that you can operate and experience within this dimension. Here, you can develop your abilities, learn, create, solve problems and help others. Matter is the shape that basic experience takes when it comes into your three-dimensional system. Your dreams, thoughts, expectations, beliefs and emotions are literally transformed into physical matter. Granted, this question is specifically in regards to purpose as it relates to this existence. Whereas in Sunmaster's reply to save the frogs he may have been referring to the lack of purpose as it relates to existence as a whole. Not sure but maybe you could clarify what exactly you were referring to with the words, "it all." Does "it all" mean existence itself or simply physical existence? Anyone who cares to enter in the search term "purpose" in the Seth material search engine will find Seth quotes which are absolutely polluted with the word purpose. Here are just a few as they pertain to purpose in life and the universe. I wish I could find the exact quote where he states that man would go mad if purpose was removed from life so as to give the entire context. It's always been frustrating for me to locate specific material relative to a discussion. It's easily found in my brain but it's almost impossible to remember where it is to be found given the voluminousness of the Seth material. "Man’s will to survive includes a sense of meaning and purpose, and a feeling for the quality (underlined) of life." —DEaVF1 Chapter 5: Session 902, February 20, 1980 "Your closest approximation of the purpose of the universe can be found in those loving emotions that you have toward the development of your children, in your intent to have them develop their fullest capacities." —DEaVF1 Chapter 1: Session 882, September 26, 1979 "Every nerve and fiber within the body has an unseen inner purpose."

"There are other directions that your race can take, and I'm trying to point out those directions to you. And if you take those directions, then indeed-in your terms-there will be a birth of a new species - a species that understands its blessed creaturehood, that understands its spirituality, that does not despoil its planet, that purposefully creates the kind of world a sane god would create, a god who has no need for a heaven or a hell!" The currently accepted mass ideas which are used to create our mass experienced temporal reality lead to "the craziness and the chaos that surrounds us." One of those ideas which are used in the formation of our mass reality is the idea that "we have no purpose." Here's a great analogy which explains idea construction as the formation of experience and which one can use to understand the world around them. Imagine yourself in a kitchen in which the cupboards contain every ingredient that exists. Your job as the chef is to choose those ingredients which, mixed together, create a satisfying, pleasing, delightful and fulfilling gastronomical experience. Now imagine yourself in a world in which the cupboards contain every idea that exists. Your job as the creator of your life is to choose those ideas which, mixed together, create a satisfying, pleasing, delightful and fulfilling lived experience. If you were to walk into a kitchen and observe on the counter shredded reindeer meat, butter, fresh mushrooms, bacon, water, sour cream, milk, ekte geitost, crushed juniper berries, and dried thyme you would probably remark that someone is cooking up some delicious, yummy finnbiff. And you would be correct. If the chef were to tell you that he was making kransekake you would quickly raise your eyebrows and with incredulouslness protest that those ingredients could not possibly produce kransekake. Those ingredients c an only produce finnbiff. And you would again be correct. In the same way reality is created using ingredients which are ideas. You choose from within the cupboards a range of ideas which together produce a certain dish, or outcome. To understand the craziness and chaos which you witness in the world then the question becomes, "Which ideas would produce these outcomes." If someone told you the craziness and chaos were the result of love, happiness, fulfillment, a sense of purpose and meaning you'd balk. And rightly so. You might see hatred, purposelessness, hopelessness, unfulfillment, fear, meaninglessness, and other ideas at play. For only certain ideas could produce such results. Now in this miraculous kitchen the cupboards are, again, filled with every ingredient imaginable. Your job, your only job, is to choose those ingredients which produce the culinary delight you desire. As to the ingredients which you do not like your job is not to eliminate them from the kitchen so that no other is able to choose them. To eliminate them is not within your or anyone else's purview. It is an impossibility. As long as you do not choose those unwanted experience they will not enter your wonderful meal. Only by choosing them would they get mixed in and so spoil your otherwise scrumptious feast. Because people don't understand that ideas, thoughts create reality they are not choosing their ideas or their thoughts with discrimination but rather take in whatever comes across their path. They are creating experience by default rather than with purposeful intention. The entire reason entities such as Seth enter our existence is to teach us just that. How to create consciously rather than unconsciously. It's said that you're only half alive when you live life unconsciously to a large degree. When one understands how reality is actually constructed then one can begin to view events with much greater clarity and understanding. The "ingredients" used for any given event become very apparent. Even when one cannot easily identify a particular ingredient one can certainly employ the process of elimination and quickly rule out the ingredients which cannot possibly be present. Does the above make sense, Hummin? I'm asking with respect and sincerity for your answer and not asking in the vein of belittlement. Just to be clear.

We have zero power to change other people's minds. You create your own reality. That is the main rule. Therefore no one can create within another's reality. However, we do have influence. That is something which is well understood by those in power. It is common knowledge that "influencers" are used to promote whatever narrative is to be promoted. TikTok influencers, Hollywood influencers, recording artist influencers. Anyone with a large following is targeted to use their influence towards the ends which those who recruit these influencers have. I have to say that the information which Seth provides is meant to be practical above all else. And it's practical applications are endless. For instance, when one truly understands the concept of the physical universe as idea construction, when someone finally gets it that it's all about ideas, when the comprehension finally sinks in that this world and your personal life is a literal idea construction constructed from the endless ideas which exist, and most importantly those which reside in your own mind, your perception of the world will forever be altered. You can see and understand so much of what is going on and why. Both personally and en masse. The clarity which comes from that understanding is simply amazing.

"Perhaps we are part of a minority who prefer some uncomfortable truth rather than comfortable lies, . . . " Someone buy this man a drink! Free speech is everywhere under attack at the moment. Only a single version of the world is being heavily promoted and allowed these days. Anything which opposes the chosen narrative is quickly labeled conspiracy theory. A term, BTW, which is said to have been created by the CIA to discredit those who were questioning the Kennedy assassination. The label "conspiracy theory" is used to prevent people from questioning and to discredit those who do. Which is wholly antithetical to this thread. Which is precisely to question everything.

What is happening is easy to follow if one knows where the truth is being told. Where accurate information is being given. And if one is willing to do their own homework. If nothing else life demands responsibility for it and so it is the inherent responsibility of each of us, and it is indeed inherent, to determine for ourselves what is true and what is false. Most receive their information from "trusted" sources, "trusted" institutions, and therefore believe what they are being told without question. They do not do any homework whatsoever and only repeat what they are told. There are definite parallels between what is happening on the world stage today and the adoption process of many of the private beliefs of men and women. In the case of information and narratives regarding world events the masses are fed propaganda from trusted sources. And as this information comes from trusted sources so a great many believe what they are told without question. In the case of private beliefs we are groomed from the cradle about who we are and what the world is and how it works from trusted sources as well. Parents, teachers, and all those who attempt to educate us about the world. And similarly, as the explanations are given by trusted sources we are prone to believe what we are being told as being true without question also. A person who has been fed propaganda and believes the propaganda to be true without question then repeats it to others as being true. The ideas about us and the world which we've been fed since birth and which we no longer question as to their veracity are also repeated by us to the next generation as being true. A cycle which repeats from generation to generation. The lesson here is to show the detrimental effects which follow from the abdication of one's true responsibility in life - to determine what is true and what is false for ones self. In the case of news that abdication comes in the form of unquestioned acceptance of what is being told. In the case of many of the beliefs which an individual adopts throughout his or her life the same holds true. The unquestioned acceptance of what is being told. No one questions "the truth," whatever that truth may be. It is the height of absurdity to question a "truth" once convinced that it is true. And hence we have the astute observation by Mark Twain: “It is easier to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled." Once a person is convinced of a "truth" it is neigh on impossible to convince them otherwise. Most of the world's problems can be attributed to people ceasing to question their beliefs. Over a lifetime people collect untold unassimilated beliefs which are damaging to one's well being. Many of them contradictory, I might add. Yet going through the contents of one's mind to see what's actually there and begin the process of "cleaning house" and throwing out the rubbish is, unfortunately, not an appealing task to most. For it means changing ones self. And most abhor change as it requires personal effort. It's kind of comical. People generally want the world around them to change to their pleasing satisfaction without having to change themselves whatsoever. When in reality all change comes from within. It comes from examining one's beliefs and tossing those which are not to one's benefit while adopting those which are. Then, and only then, does the outside world change it's effects.

Tyranny is always doomed to fail. It's inevitable. Why? It defies the laws of existence. By it's very nature tyranny creates untold suffering and sooner or later the spirit inherent in man rises up to crush it. But I do believe it's possible for a civilisation to destroy itself. Powerlessness is one of the main root causes. If people understood the true power they are imbued with they could bring it to a halt literally overnight. But as you can see, even on this thread it is extremely difficult for people to accept that they have any power. The idea that life happens to you, for instance, is an idea that robs a people of their true power. And the idea that life happens to you is directly related a lack of understanding about who you are. We live in interesting times, indeed.

I think you're a clever one, Hummin. That's why you're one of my favourite posters. It's a matter of your perspective.

Noah's Ark is actually factual. It provides the explanation as to why there are no unicorns in the world.

This one is for one of my friends on this thread. You know who you are. 5555555555555555555

Noah's Ark is actually factual. It provides the explanation as to why there are no unicorns in the world.

Just so you understand, it's not my bible and it's not my God. I do not subscribe to the bible as Christians do. I admit that there is a great deal of wisdom within it but there is much . . . too much . . . that I do not agree with. Much of it is, to me, a children's tale. As to God, I do not see him as depicted in the bible or theology. I believe in an entity which is our source but my concept of that entity is quite a departure from the usual accepted idea of what God is. As humans I'm not sure we are even capable of wrapping our heads around what that entity truly is. There are basically two routes to go when considering the creation of life. Either it was all created either by happenstance with no rhyme or reason or purpose or it was intentionally created. The latter is what I subscribe to for there is overwhelming evidence for it . . . despite that evidence being unsatisfactory to anyone else. The former is pathetically wanting in pasting together a cohesive picture in which every facet of existence is accounted for. Many who subscribe to the former do not seem to mind the gaping holes in the overall picture that theory presents because they do not attempt to unify all of the divergent pieces of the picture puzzle which were given to them. The important part of that last statement is "given to them." Whatever your views of how the world works and what ii is were not your original ideas. They were ideas "sold" to you at some time in your life which you accepted without examination. And those ideas became your conviction which you now, in turn, sell to others. You're smart enough. It's only a matter of applying yourself in an honest and objective examination of the ideas you believe to be true. Are they truly true or are they not? That's the never ending question for everything you hold to be true. But undertaking that endeavour is entirely your choice. You can make as many excuses for yourself as you like but any excuses you make are not to fool others but only yourself.

As Sunmaster can attest to, since he's read Carlos Castenada, "know yourself" has been echoed by don Juan as the ultimate human endeavour. I could not get the quote verbatim but it is roughly as follows: There is no other task more worthy to take up than to know yourself. When you understand who you are only then can you understand who is creating the entirety of your experience and the world in which that experience is framed. And once you understand that it is you who creates your life in every facet . . . both large and seemingly insignificantly small . . . then and only then can you begin to play your true role in this world. Only then can you begin to create with full conscious awareness.

There are none. Other than the ones you falsely accuse. save the frogs, you are an intelligent being. Why, then, so many empty posts?

Someone posted this meme elsewhere and I provided my commentary. I repost it here as it is fitting. The difference is this: The official news that everyone watches is assumed to come from an objective and trusted, and therefore accurate, source of information. No one watching the TV need do any of their own investigating or analysis because the news sources have supposedly done it all for them. The individual doing his or her own investigations and making their own analysis does not enjoy the status of being a source of objective and accurate information. The entire propaganda scam rests on the earned trust of the news organizations. The problem is that they've been thoroughly corrupted and thus, like a con artist whose scam relies solely on gaining the trust of his mark, they take extreme advantage of the trust they've earned through the decades. Unlike the con artist whose first mission is to gain trust of the mark the news media have had it already. Regardless, even in the best, or most honest, of times I would not mindlessly rely on another's information and willy nilly accept it as truth. That holds true for me not only regarding the news but for any information which is, in a sense, being "sold" to me. Of all the commerce in goods in the world the one which by far is the greatest in quantity is ideas. Everyone is in the market buying and selling continuously. Going to a deeper level on this issue I see this "Great Awakening," whereby people are waking up to the fact of how things actually work versus how they've been told they work, as being a small representation of an even greater issue. That larger issue is that we've been told how things work in every facet of life. And to a large degree we've accepted, willy nilly, as truth what we've been told by our parents, teachers, friends and all those "trusted" souls in life who have provided us with information as to how life and the world works. And we're all guilty of believing much of what we've been told as true without ever investigating or analyzing it ourselves. I can guarantee that much of that information is as untrue as the information put out by the MSM. We have all here come to recognize that we need to think for ourselves and thoroughly examine that information which is sold to us by the "trusted" MSM as to it's veracity. What we haven't come to recognize thus far though, in my humble opinion, is that we need to go back and re-examine much of what we've already come to believe as being true regarding how life works and reconsider the veracity of those ideas. All of us here imagine, from time to time, the shock which must befall those "suckers" who have been misled by the MSM and others as the unvarnished truth can no longer be ignored or denied and must be accepted. That shock would be the same for anyone who re-examined currently held personal ideas as being true when they discover, to their dismay and horror, that they are equally false. I'm hinting at a much greater awakening than the "Great Awakening" that is upon us now. That greater awakening is waking up to the fact that in many critically important respects the world we've been "sold" is NOT the world as it truly is. Sorry if I took you further than you want to go. Just food for thought, is all. As I've been saying from day one, our temporal reality is a literal physical translation, or mirrored reflection, of our subjective reality. Nothing in this world exists without first existing as an idea in subjective reality. Until that idea is at least given some consideration as to it's validity any understanding as to the true workings of this world will escape those who are currently convinced that life happens to us rather than life being created by us. For that realisation is the ultimate realisation which is the key that unlocks all of the true answers to life. And which leads us back to a true understanding of the nature of ourselves - who and what we really are. As Seth has pointed out, it is impossible to understand our world without an understanding of who we are. For how can one understand how the world works if the premise is entirely wrong? And the current premise is that we have naught or little to do with the creation of our very existence. As Seth has stated on several occasions throughout his writings, the world is at a juncture where the old ideas we accept as being true on a mass level can no longer solve our current problems. For false ideas can never work in practicality as they have no basis in reality and must therefore result only in the manifestation of problems. Lots and lots and lots of problems. Our problems today are massive. Personally, I do not see any solution other than a return to those ideas which are a true and accurate reflection of who and what we are and the true nature of our world and it's workings. Food for thought, indeed.

Here's my challenge to @save the frogs. Be a serious poster. Can you do it? If I were capable of predicting the future I would say keep your eye on stage left folks.

This was in response to save the frogs post. Did he attempt an intelligent, serious reply? Instead we get nonsense like this: Methinks he is only capable of clever and sarcastic ridiculing quips so as to appear to be a profound thinker and so much more intelligent than the stupid wannabe gurus here. But look behind the facade and there's only empty space.

The irony is that these are the same folks who mock and ridicule actual sensical ideas which, put together, form an intelligent and comprehensive picture of the world in which everything is accounted for and many of the workings shown down to the smallest detail. Yes, like Seth. These folks have no clue as to how bizarre their "theories" of life sound. Let alone they couldn't begin to get into any depth whatsoever as to how these bizarre theories actually work in the practical universe. And why? Because those theories have no basis in actual reality and thus can never be shown to work. They ridicule religion due it's demand for blind belief and yet they blindly believe in their own absurdities without requiring a shred of evidence for it's existence. And to top it off they're totally blind to their own hypocrisy. For the life of them they can't see that they do the same as what they ridicule others for doing. Goes right over their heads. Humans are a strange species, eh?