jambco984

Thanks for the replies folks. Been busy making my millions :-)

Really appreciate all the advice. I will look at the way I put myself across and write more supporting points.

Any thoughts on what my wife can put across on her side reference work our reason to return? Although she has the shop it's more of a something to do. She doesn't have receipts or other business documents like others might have. Any thoughts?

And as always, thanks :-)

The ECOs in Bangkok are well aware of the, shall we say, casual way small businesses can operate in Thailand.

Does she have any documents concerning the business at all?

Anything showing she owns the shop or any other land?

As I said, for some reason I can't open the refusal notice; but did it mention her reason to return at all; or was it just finances?

In your supporting letter you should explain the details of her business.

In addition you should say why she is only visiting at this time and does not yet wish to settle in the UK with you and what your plans for the future are.

Sorry it's taken so long to reply as I've been working like a mad man.

My wife doesn't have any docs to prove she owns the shop as it's at her parents house. She doesn't own any land either. Since the application refusal and the lack of people frequenting the shop she has now closed it. The village she's from is only very small and most people work away, the ones left can't really afford to be going to the shop daily.

We really are back to square one with the reason to return side of things. All we want is to be together but it's getting harder.

I will show money in my account to support her/ myself and explain unlike last time that I send money monthly via western union and it can be seen in her bank statements.

Really don't know what to do at this stage, feeling very frustrated and don't have any answers.

Hope someone has some helpful thoughts.

Thank you in advance.

Darren

Thanks for the replies folks. Been busy making my millions :-)

Really appreciate all the advice. I will look at the way I put myself across and write more supporting points.

Any thoughts on what my wife can put across on her side reference work our reason to return? Although she has the shop it's more of a something to do. She doesn't have receipts or other business documents like others might have. Any thoughts?

And as always, thanks :-)

To repeat the obvious you need to satisfy the three key criteria of genuine relationship/reason for visit, financial adequacy and reasons to return.

Looking at the refusal letter they are actually doubting that sufficient funding exists for a 3 month visit, rather than reasons to return. In doubting the financial support they can than question the genuine reason for the visit. In this case you have left the door open for them to suggest that your wife may be going to work. That then allows them to question the certainty of returning to Thailand.

This is presumably her first visit ? For a first visit 3 months is along time and an ECO may well ask themselves how your wife could leave her self-employed business for so long.

Yeah I just shown my income on the statements as this account just receives my salary then it gets moved about. I thought just showing earnings was enough. On my next application I will show savings.

Yes this is her first visit. If I was employed and not self employed then I could have my wife get a longer visa but because I've only been back in the UK for 7 months then I can't show my full earnings until the end of the tax year. Quite frustrating as we've been apart for 7 months.

Do you think if I show my savings and add some money to my wife's account not too much as it would raise more suspicion.

Also what extra documents could my wife show for the shop?

Thanks

I provided 6 months bank statements that shown i had a steady income of 2000 GBP per month. I didn't show savings as I didn't know I had to do so.

The account didn't have much money in it, not that I thought it mattered as I have a good income.

My wife supplied a letter written by herself saying he has a shop at her home earning approx 8000 THB per month but as with most shops of this size and nature she doesn't have any supporting documents. She did get her mum to write a letter saying she would look after the shop for the time my wife was in the UK.

This seems to be where we stumble.

Hope someone can help and thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Darren

Hi, not had chance to get on my computer yet. Will post the refusal letter tomorrow. Thanks

Will do thanks. It'll have to be tomorrow now as I'm up for work at 5am to support my family and pay my taxes.

Goodnight and thanks for the support :-)

Hello, had my wife's visit visa refused today from Bangkok.

My wife doesn't have land or a job as she was hoping to come over on a visit visa. She has a shop at her home and makes 8000฿ per month. She showed her bank statements with money going in from myself and the income from the shop. This was not enough. They wanted more proof. Are there any other ways around this or reasons my wife can use to get the visa? We're not trying to cause problems and I know my wife will return to Thailand with me at the end of her stay as I will return with her for my annual holiday.

Not amused as it's going to cost me another £90 for the application.

They basically said they didn't think my wife would return to Thailand and that's why we didn't get the visa, even though we proved we have lived together for 4 years.

Thanks for the help.

Darren

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No, they don't need to fill out any application forms.

The applicant needs to ensure that the financial support evidence is clear and that the ECO be satisfied that it's genuine and sufficient for the applicants needs.

Thanks for that. Much appreciated.

No, only supporting letters and appropriate evidence required. Though, your wife's application will be detailed with the necessary contacts as a cross reference.

Sleep on it and consider all aspects logically - like you are the ECO considering your wife's / girlfriend's application - and you won't go far wrong. Don't rush.

Thanks also. Yeah no rushing is going to happen. After sleeping on it and having a good think and clearing my head I've decided to go alone first and then bring my wife a couple of months down the line when I have settled into my job and earning the required 18,600 GBP to get her a more permanent visa.

Thank you for your help. If I do change my mind again I will refer to this information. As always priceless stuff from thaivisa and the awesome and knowledgeable members. OK enough trumpet blowing

If a person is providing financial support they will need to supply evidence of their ability to do so, bank statements, pay slips and the like, ECO's won't just take their word.

It's also worth including a note from them as to why they are providing financial support.

Regarding accommodation, the person providing the accommodation will need to satisfy the ECO that suitable accommodation is available to the applicant.

Thanks. I get what you're saying, maybe what I wrote wasn't very clear. The person who is providing support has to show bank statements and pay slips yes, but do they need to fill out an application form of sorts?

I don't think I am putting the right things in to these posts anymore tonight, its been a long day and maybe I should look at it again tomorrow.

Head is conked out - Thank you.

So on the housing act section it states,

A house is considered to be overcrowded if 2 persons aged 10 years or more of opposite sexes, who are not living together as husband and wife, must sleep in the same room. The Act also details the maximum number of people allowed for a given number of rooms or a given room floor area.

Account is taken only of rooms with a floor area larger than 50 square feet and rooms of a type used either as a living room or bedroom.

Rooms such as kitchens or bathrooms are excluded.

Under the Housing Act, the number of people sleeping in accommodation must not exceed the following:

Number of rooms Maximum number of people allowed

1 2

2 3

So does that mean I can use this thinking?

1 room (bedroom) used by my folks. 1 room (living room) used by my wife and I?

Maximum number of people being 3 - Do we count as 1?

Again is this too complicated? Will they see it that way or should I move on to another option?

Thanks

EDIT - From the Housing Act website.

Responsibility of occupier
327 Penalty for occupier causing or permitting overcrowding.

(1)The occupier of a dwelling who causes or permits it to be overcrowded commits a summary offence, subject to subsection (2).

(2)The occupier is not guilty of an offence—

(a)if the overcrowding is within the exceptions specified in section 328 (Children) or 329 (children attaining age of 10 or visiting relatives),

329 Exception; visiting member of family.

Where the persons sleeping in an overcrowded dwelling include a member of the occupier’s family who does not live there but is sleeping there temporarily, the occupier is not guilty of an offence under section 327 (occupier causing or permitting overcrowding) unless the circumstances are such that he would be so guilty if that member of his family were not sleeping there.329 Exception; visiting member of family.

Where the persons sleeping in an overcrowded dwelling include a member of the occupier’s family who does not live there but is sleeping there temporarily, the occupier is not guilty of an offence under section 327 (occupier causing or permitting overcrowding) unless the circumstances are such that he would be so guilty if that member of his family were not sleeping there.

Defo been over done now

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From UK visit visa basics:

Finance can come from the applicant's resources, the sponsor's, a third party's or any combination of these. Whoever is contributing to the finances should provide evidence of their ability to do so,6 months bank statements are best, and if a third party say why they are doing so.

Do not be tempted to pad the applicant's bank account prior to applying with a lump sum. Not only is it unnecessary, it can also arouse the ECO's suspicions as they will want to know where this money suddenly came from and why.

......

If staying in a private household the person offering accommodation should write an invitation letter briefly describing the property to show that at least one room is available for the exclusive use of the applicant; although sharing with their sponsor or a friend or relative of the same sex is fine. It will help if the person offering the accommodation supplies proof of ownership or a letter from their landlord granting permission for the visitor to stay; whichever is applicable.

Although aimed more at settlement applications than visit ones, the requirements regarding adequacy of accommodation and avoidance of overcrowding in Maintenance and accommodation (MAA) apply to both types of application.

Thanks I read this pinned thread above. Its very handy and cleared up the finances aspect of the funds. If in what I am reading above is that it shouldn't matter about who has what money wise?

Can the accommodation be offered by someone who does have the room?

Yes is the short answer.

But, as you already stated, jambco, keep it simple.

Thanks again. so yes is the short answer but its best to have both things offered by 1 sponsor. Gotcha

What is the wait time for the process? On the gov website it says no longer than 30 days. Is this fair? Also does the third party sponsor have to fill in any official documents or is it all letters and statements etc. or do they need an application form?

Sorry for my lack of knowledge. I seem to have read a lot of information on the subject but it's as clear as mud to me.

I appreciate all the help.

Edit - Just a thought. What about parents funds and uncles house (uncle being mothers brother)? Simple enough?

Cheers again

When it comes to the application I want it to be as simple as possible, as I'm sure everyone does.

So you reckon the 1 bedroom flat even if spacious is a no no? I wont mention the going renting bit at all.

Can the accommodation be offered by someone who does have the room?

For eg. folks put up the funds, close friend puts up the accommodation?

Cheers

I have lived in Thailand for 4 years and will be returning to the UK sometime between mid January - Mid February - I want to take my wife and initially she would come on a 6 month visit visa.

Over the past 4 years I have been a teacher and my wife has worked but not full time for over 1 year now. The last 6 months or so she has looked after her nephew and niece so has been very busy but not earning a salary. On the requirements list it says that the applicant needs to show a bank statement for at least 6 months, thus giving her a reason to return to Thailand. What money we have had, we have always put it into my account as I have had a salary coming in to the account and we've always thought it not worth opening 2. We use a different account for savings but again its in my name. My main question is, Will this hinder the process? I could start now by opening an account and putting money in it but will this look 'real'?

I know it also says about showing a spouses income and other related documents, would it be worth putting a note with it explaining we use my account as a joint account?

My folks will sponsor my missus from the UK - they can show funds no problem but since selling the 3 bedroom family home they have downsized and are now renting a nice 1 bedroom apartment. Would they be able to say we could stay? They could write that the living room would be used for our sole purpose?

Although I plan to sleep at my folks for a night or 2, I plan to rent my own place ASAP.

How can I go about wording the request.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Yes I could go down the agency route but I live in Sukhothai and we don't have that sort of service here.

Thoughts please, thank you.

From a useless member ;-)

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An entire country of how did you put it? - "ugly people". Well that is just fantastic and doesnt it make you look big and clever? But hey,

"I'll leave you to this now - I've said enough and will likely get banned by a pommy moderator for having the audacity to say I dislike the English and prefer to have as little to do with them as possible. But there you go. Have a nice day".

How insightful and thought provoking. I will say my bit then run away. I am genuinely sorry for replying to this but how can you tar everyone from a country with the same brush? I'm guessing your an aussie with your pommy comment? I'm sure all Australians are saints and are decent people.

Back on topic - I suppose the women, weather, cost of living and the fact that its an English language site might have something to do with the amount of Brits on here.

Thanks,

jambco984 - An Ugly Person

Thanks, that doesn't sound too difficult.

So based on that info we can start the application in October.

I just read in another thread about proof of being in a relationship, I'm guessing piles of photos going back over a decade, marriage certs from 10 years ago, one 7 year old child and a 2 year old, a Thai bank book going back more than 10 years and joint visa statements on a single account will be enough proof that it's a real relationship right? LOL

How about the house in the uk? Mortgage statement enough for that?

You will need to show that you meet the annual financial requirement. If you have only been employed for 6 months, you will need to provide all wage slips, divide the total by 6, then multiply that figure by 12. If it doesn't reach 18,600 GBP then you haven't met the requirement.

Tony M

Can you show savings over 18,600 if you don't have the job route to rely on?

OK I jumped the gun.

I will be returning next year and thought having 20k in savings would be enough.

Then find a job at home.

Oh this is a pain.

Ignore me :-D

None up north but did see them in BKK and Pattaya last month. Please, please, please come to the sticks

Being able to leave if and when you want to do so.

Thais don't really have that option unless they're minted.

Whole wheat bread with a thin spreading of Vitalite, cheddar cheese thinly cut with silverskin pickled onions also sliced thinly on top.

Or at least this is what I will be having in 3 hours time

Not quite an official Ploughmans sandwich but close enough

Nom nom nom

I have always been a little nervous about this. Maybe I am not as paranoid as I thought.

That makes two of us then.

Crown jewels will be out of the bowl from now on

Could someone start a boycott red bull campaign around the world or would that not make a difference?

People like this deserve nothing

Is the R25 available in TL yet? I have seen and ridden the R15. I want the R25 with Blue and White paint scheme.

I don't think so, yet

I asked about it and nobody knew about it.

Doesn't mean it's not coming...

It's definitely needed. That bridge is utter madness all day long.

Good to see the area being developed more and more over the years I have been here.

Hi John,

I will be down your way in October so I would love to pop in and see how you're doing.

Peppers was amazing so I imagine this will be even better :-D

Take care,

Darren

 

I don't think immigration will do an extension of stay based upon being the parent of an adopted Thai child.

 
 

Bit of a cynical thing to do, just to get a visa.

 
I would think/hope that legally adopting a Thai child would not be that easy or quick. I certainly hope someone from Immigrations reads this thread so they will know what the latest gimmick is.  Sounds like a form of cynical human trafficking.
 
And if the adoptive parents decide to pack it in, will they turn in the child at the airport along with their boarding passes?
 
Not the same issue exactly, but equally disgusting: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747913-australian-couple-abandon-down-syndrome-baby-with-thai-surrogate-mother/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thaivisa24+%28Today%27s+best+Thaivisa+topics%29

I hope the immi doesn't read this post for the exact opposite reasons.
What about the people who cannot have children but want to adopt? They will all be classed the same as the people who are trying to scam the country.
Hopefully this idiotic thread will go away soon

Look how well "the gays" turn themselves out. Us "tough hetro dudes" should take note.

Wife beater vest dude or well groomed man.

I use a record bag as they are sometimes called, I also use a bum bag for out on the bicycle. Does that make me gay?

:D