Geoffggi

So has the firework display been cancelled yet? - No, because too much money involved dual standards once again, as has been stated already open the entertainment venues in a controlled manner and let the people spread out.

I particularly liked the invitation to Taiwan alongside China - This will cause China to throw all the toys out of the cot .........................LOL

I believe the relevant question would be how many of these wires are currently in use, as we all know the Thai practice of install a new wire and to hell with tracing problems with old wires .....

6 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thailand is not among the over 100 countries the Biden administration has invited to its “Summit for Democracy” next month, according to a list of participants published on Tuesday which also sees Taiwan as one of the invitees,  a move that infuriated China, which views the democratically governed island as its territory.

I must admit to not being a fan of Biden but I do like this move ........................LOL

Police will face trouble if caught taking bribes

Maybe this headline should read - Police will face trouble if caught NOT taking bribes .............................LOL

Si Racha law enforcement declined to file any charges in the one-vehicle accident and Mr. Chonnan remained at a local hospital recovering as of press time.

This is just one of the reasons young Thai's never learn from breaking any restrictions

12 minutes ago, webfact said:

The authorities said that 40 million baht had been spirited away back to investors in China after a crypto currency was changed into Bitcoin to deceive investigators. 

High quality Chinese investors .....................LOL

13 minutes ago, webfact said:

This time Suchai Pongphianchob and Thong Lo chief Pol Col Duangchot Suwanjarat found all the protocols were being observed.

Of course they were, also no prior notification of a sweep had been given, we believe everything .........................LOL

Banglamung Police did not state if any legal charges would be forthcoming over the accident or if they would be reviewing CCTV.

Need to check his social standing first, I wonder if he was breathalyzed ...........LOL 

I have been living here quite a few years and this has been the norm as far back as I can remember, nothing new what so ever

It appears nothing good ever comes from China ......................LOL

27 minutes ago, webfact said:

He said that next year, Thailand will have at least 90 million vaccine doses, consisting of 60 million from AstraZeneca and 30 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks ............................LOL

1 hour ago, webfact said:

They felt that Thailand's short term tourism recovery would not succeed as there were no Chinese coming. 

But I thought the government wanted quality & not quantity .....................LOL

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Sorry you did not just say vaccinated people can pass on the virus though did you, you also say "unvaccinated people are not putting others at risk any more than vaccinated people" which is what I was correcting you on (I specifically pointed that out in my rpley).  But you conveniently ignored that.

I would re-read my original post before making any further comments, I will make it easy for you here it is: Personally speaking I am double vaccinated, but am also of the opinion that the first part of the above is correct meaning you should not be forced into being vaccinated it is a personal choice...

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes vaccinated people can still get infected (two double vaxxed in my household have had it - very mild symptoms) but you get rid of the virus faster and are therefore contagious for a much shorter time, ergo vaccinated people are putting fewer people at risk then unvaccinated, simple fact.

https://theconversation.com/no-vaccinated-people-are-not-just-as-infectious-as-unvaccinated-people-if-they-get-covid-171302

 

I do believe in free choice but also believe society as a whole has a responsibility to each other and it is up to each business who they serve, and up to each employer who they employ.  It will leave some people out of things but that is their choice and this is just the way it will be worldwide if you want to eat out, catch a flight, go to an event.

In Singapore a company can legally terminate an employee if they refuse to be vaccinated or refuse to disclose their vaccination status.  Other countries are moving this way too.  In Singapore also there is no free medical care if you willingly decided not to vaccinate.

One could introduce many different scenarios of what could or could not happen but the facts do remain that vaccinated people CAN pass on the virus...

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just to add to that, even when a vaccinated person has a breakthrough infection the viral load will decrease quicker, a study in Singapore found:

 

However, vaccinated people with Delta might remain infectious for a shorter period, according to researchers in Singapore who tracked viral loads for each day of COVID-19 infection among people who had and hadn’t been vaccinated. Delta viral loads were similar for both groups for the first week of infection, but dropped quickly after day 7 in vaccinated people. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

 

 

 

 

This was not the discussion, it was if vaccinated people can carry and pass on the virus which there is no doubt they can

4 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

Vaccinated people are less likely to be infected by covid so if you do get infected by somebody it is much more likely from somebody who is unvaccinated.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated#Vaccines-protect-against-Delta-infection

From the article you posted : Although fully vaccinated people were less likely to contract an infection, when they did — what’s known as a breakthrough infection — they can transmit the Delta variant at a similar level as unvaccinated people.

6 minutes ago, webfact said:

He said that not being vaccinated was a person's basic human right. You can't force anyone to be vaccinated. 

 

But equally he felt that owners of businesses and those offering services to the public were within their rights to serve who they wished in order to protect themselves, their other staff and their other customers.

Personally speaking I am double vaccinated, but am also of the opinion that the first part of the above is correct meaning you should not be forced into being vaccinated it is a personal choice, & vaccinated people can carry the virus just the same as unvaccinated people. 

I agree that business people should have the right to serve who they want and not be pressured into doing so by any government decree 

All this will achieve is driving people to "Do their own thing" and to hell with what the government want to impose