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4 minutes ago, WhyYouTalkMeBad said:
Why would anyone want to holiday in London?
Well if you listen to some politicians it is because of its great multi cultural diversity, although I am not one who agrees with that and have stated many times before on this board. I would say because it is one of the best cities in the world and has so much to see, for free. If you could go every free museum, then you would need more than two weeks to see them all. Then you have the historical buildings that many countries just don't have.
Sadly London is getting a bad image and I suspect it will get worse, before better. Those who think we can all sing 'Khum Bai Yaah' and sing and dance together, are now getting a rude awakening.
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10 minutes ago, impulse said:
While I don't disagree, it's just as likely to be triggered by cheap Eastern European laborers as by Muslim refugees.
They are both issues regarding multiculturalism and the problems in the UK/Europe. One has a much greater number, been rising over a 30 year period than the other, so more prolific in the problems it projects.
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4 minutes ago, baansgr said:
Of course now there will be a great expense of road barriers and police protection based at prominent similar places throughout the U.K all paid for by the suffering tax payer. The emergency services reacted as quickly as any other incident whereby they received admiration for their efforts, yet it is reported here they were received with hostility
I believe you are correct and that is my argument that the multiculturalism that has been imposed on the UK and Europe, is destined to fail. It already has really, it is just waiting to implode.
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8 minutes ago, impulse said:
Sure they can. There have been peaceful Muslim communities all over the west for decades, centuries even.
Ask yourself what's going on in the world that has upset the apple cart.
Really tell that to the Bosnians and the Serbs. Communities in France Germany, Manchester and London.
What is going on is obviously the 'so called war on terror'. Whilst I am not in agreement with it all, I still don't believe it is an excuse for what is happening in Europe which ever side of the fence you are on.
London has not seen terrorist attacks like this since the IRA in the 1980 and 1990s. Somehow I don't think an agreement like the Good Friday One will stop these current attacks.
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Well am going to wait and see all the facts but the feeling I got from the UK and London a few weeks ago and I am back again very soon is that tensions and feelings are high. My sympathies to anyone hurt.
I have never been a supporter of multiculturalism and with the attacks across Europe over the last 18 months would support that idea. Before I get flamed, I do not support any form of terrorism from any religious side but it is growing extremely clear to me, that various people/religions can't live together, in the way we expect civilized people to live.
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I got excited when I saw the headline and then saw the word Dusit poll. All credibility gone.
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I am still waiting for the motorbikes going on the pavements and driving on the wrong side of the road, trucks with passengers in the back and cars doing U turns illegally to be consistently enforced. So please excuse my pessimistic nature, as I have heard the word determined so many times, it usually equates to a week or 2 at best.
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1 hour ago, rockingrobin said:
You are missing the point, the remain campaign said that a vote to leave meant leaving the Single market does not equate to the voters actually believing the statement.
So you are saying voters didn't believe it? Priceless. I think you a disrespectful to adults on what they can do or can't with not believing. Please go into my local pub in the UK and say that. I know what response you will get.
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3 hours ago, Grouse said:
Do you not think there were misconceptions and misunderstandings? Do you think all voters fully understood all the ramifications?
For something so so important for us and particularly up and coming generations the decision needs to be both clear and optimal.
Anything less is pigheadedness
Do you not know what you voted for? I know I did. I think it is disrespectful assuming voters didn't know or the ramifications.
Whilst we are on ramifications or project fear, Nobody fully understands what will happen, even though many remainers would have you believe, as Brexit has not happened or been completed.
I think many people forget the point the then PM David Cameron went to Brussels for a 'better deal' but was given the fingers.
Yes would I like to stay in the single market, but not at the instructions from Brussels, what we can and cant do. I like many others would rather be on our own without the EU telling us what to do.
We have actually been debating on this topic since before the EU referendum and still nothing has really changed, yet. It would seem your opinion hasn't changed and neither has mine.
On a lighter note did you watch the Brexit Wife Swap on Channel 4 on Thursday. I thought the families summed it up on peoples views and why they voted, in what ever way that was.
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5 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:
It is irrelevant what D.Cameron said , because he lost. People voted for what leave said.
A winning campaign doesnt carry out the wishes of their opponents who they have defeated , but are committed to their own promises.
It is extremely relevant when a poster in the thread (if you go back and look) says people didn't know what they voted for with leave. Everyone knew. Just some just can't seem to accept that and continue to have their heads buried in the sands, saying 'we didn't know'. It is utter tosh.
Plus he was the PM at the time campaigning to remain. The most important person at the time for remain.
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6 hours ago, lamyai3 said:
Short memories? This was Cameron in campaign mode, I doubt people were listening to him that much, instead looking to the (pro-leave) newspapers to interpret what was going on. How many people knew what leaving the single market implied back then?
If you don't pay attention then you can't claim later on that you were not informed or told. He actually said it numerous times in interviews and made it part of his speech for remaining.
6 hours ago, lamyai3 said:Anyone who is denying that the original referendum was not severely misleading is either not paying attention or is being deliberately obtuse
Not paying attention is not an excuse for being obtuse. Both sides may have said things that were misleading, sadly that's politics.. But this was the PM who consistently told the public what would happen if they voted to leave. I really wish people would admit it and respect democracy.
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7 hours ago, lamyai3 said:
Naturally. Just a single, honest referendum with full implications laid out would do it for me.
People really have such short memories. The PM at the time, told everyone what leaving the EU means and there will be no second referendum. How honest can you get.
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13 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:
You mean it was meant to mean something it had never meant before and still doesn't know. You should look up the Humpty Dumpty section of Through the Looking Glass.
I know what I mean and I could tell you what I mean and what I think of your reply but I would get a ban.
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1 hour ago, sanemax said:
The area isnt and never has been "Cockney" , Cockneys come from the otherside of town
It was actually meant as a 'loose term'. The point is few who were born in London (except children) were residents and in that particular area is as the article states A Tale of Two Cities'.
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19 minutes ago, pitrevie said:
Once again you have provided three links that say nothing of the sort. In fact the third link merely repeats what I said and that is someone is claiming that someone said there would be total economic meltdown. By the way Gorge Soros isn't an economic institution. That there have been economic repercussions as a result of Brexit is indisputable, the pound has dropped in value is one example The Chancellor claimed that Brexit had blown a 130 billion pound hole in the public finances. May was preparing for an austerity budget had she won her thumping majority.
You will have to try again, find me any serious economic institution that predicted total economic meltdown. The only people who have ever claimed such things are Brexiters who refer to predictions of total economise meltdown being made by those in favour of Remain.
Obviously you are not reading. Here it is more plainly and there are countless more.
"Mr Soros said in his article that leaving the EU would see sterling fall by at least 15%, and possibly more than 20%, to below $1.15 from its current level of around $1.46.
"The value of the pound would decline precipitously," he writes. "It would also have an immediate and dramatic impact on financial markets, investment, prices and jobs.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36582026
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36273448
So your claim that no serious financial institution said that Brexit would cause a recession or financial meltdown is wrong. Carney is the Bank of England and Soros, if you don't know who he is then, it is pointless debating with you.
Don't forget George Osborne who was chancellor at the time who also predicted a 'meltdown'.
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20 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:
As for Thatcher selling the Council propertys to people who lived in them ,it was a fantastic idea ,at last people who had never had a hope of owning their own property were given the chance
21 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:Rubbish ,very few of these flats were privatly owned ,also most were lived in by immigrants to the UK ,hardly a native British person amongst them ,its no wonder that there are so many people who cant get a council property .
This is very true and people are frightened to speak out for being branded a racist or bigot which is not true. The flats go for 2000 pound plus which the council pays
Has anyone else noticed in the media how they are trying to spin things. The tragedy is no doubt terrible but claiming if it wasn't for Muslims and Ramadam more people would have died is tasteless and baseless.
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17 minutes ago, pitrevie said:
As you know no serious financial institution ever said any such thing
I guess Mark Carney (Bank of England Governor) and George Soros are not part of serious financial institutions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/brexit-eu-referendum-economy-project-fear
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10 minutes ago, pitrevie said:
Corbyn may well have said it but that doesn't make it true
The point I made that Corbyn said it himself not Brexiteers as you stated. Sso we have clarified that point
10 minutes ago, pitrevie said:In facts its doubtful that she will survive a year.
I will agree with you on this. But it will not be Corbyn in number 10 I believe.
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24 minutes ago, pitrevie said:
I don't know what it is about Brexiters but reading these posts they are the only ones that appear to mention Corbyn having won the election. No Corbyn didn't win the election and neither did May
Actually it was Jeremy himself who said it.
"Jeremy Corbyn: I think it's pretty clear who won this election. Labour is ready to serve in government"
It is in other papers too when he gave the interview.
So May didn't win. Who is in downing street at the moment? Yes her majority is smaller, yes majority.
Saying she didn't win is like Montenegro playing Argentina at football with Argentina scoring 8 and Montenegro scoring 0 and claiming victory.
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2 hours ago, webfact said:
To general astonishment, the Kensington parliamentary constituency, where the Grenfell Tower stands, was won by Labour for the first time in its history.
You fill the place with immigrants, get rid of the original cockneys and yes you will probably get a labour government. Those people who doubt what I say about it consisting of immigrants, just watch the interviews from people living there. When I lived in that borough 30 years ago, it was a totally different place to now. There a few weeks ago and back again soon.
I will hold judgment on who to blame just yet. A terrible tragedy whatever.
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5 hours ago, spiderorchid said:
What a total farce this has become. I mean really, does this broken govt have any legitimacy.
May is clinging to power with the support of a bunch of radical loonies.
Does that make this government legitimate? Where is the Westminster Governing principles hiding?
Of course it has legitimacy. It has the majority seats of any party. Maybe not collectively. I hope you are not insinuating that there should be another election?
as for Hammond I don't trust him to get on with Brexit. still people are trying to say what people who voted for Brexit didn't want out of the EU. Utter tosh, that is exactly what people wanted and you can sugar coat it as much as you want. Brexit for all the people I know meant leaving the EU. As friends if possible. If not so be it.
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33 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:
We have just had an election on the basis of strengthening T.May brexit hand. The electorate voted otherwise, and reduced T.May majority, surely a rejection of the walk away argument that the government was promoting before 8th June
How could it be a rejection if she (TM) still had a majority. A bit like Corbyn saying he won the election.
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More Bull from the EU propaganda machine. Is that why Poland and Hungary etc are stopping immigrants and giving the fingers to the EU. Most People and not stupid and know the EU for what it is. A boys club that you must do as we say.
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Probably one of the most truthful articles recently published and I am sure the remainers will be crushing its validity, as it is from the DE. other countries they just had a second referendum with the UK they know people won't put up with that so they use the biased media, politicians and others to drive the message that brexit is bad, bad, bad. Luckily not all people are gullible.
"Refusing to accept the will of the people, they have used parliamentary manoeuvres, court cases, media propaganda and collusion with EU bureaucrats. But so far nothing has worked. Until now Brexit has remained firmly on course."
"The party “must lance the boil of Brexit,” declares Lord Heseltine. “A hard Brexit was not endorsed by the electorate,” wails former prime minister Sir John Major. "
"The mood music is being created for a shabby compromise. The flight towards surrender is gathering pace. Yesterday David Cameron called on the Government to “listen to other parties” to achieve a consensus on “a softer Brexit”. Secret talks are under way between Labour and pro-Remain Tory MPs on how to amend legislation to keep free movement and single market membership."
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I will have to disagree on you with this view. The UK and its liberal, left wing view and trying to appease everyone would not be hardline. The only place I have seen a hard line policy on community diversity that worked, is Saudi Arabia. They simply don't allow any other religions and other cultures to flourish or practice. Its their way or the high way.
Islam and the modern world are not compatible when you have equality and freedom of rights and speech. It is an idealistic view that hasn't worked and we are no seeing that clearly more than ever.