Skorz

You can get an usufruct stamp from the lands department that gives you management rights over the land (and house which if a permanent structure is considered part of the land). However, often the lands department will advise your wife (in private) not to allow this as it takes away her rights to sell without your permission.

Alternatively you can get your wife to lease the land back to you for 30 years.

Even if you're married, I would strongly recommend against putting anything into her name. Get a lease off the land owner instead.

Even if you draw up a contract with your 'wife' it will mean nothing as all she has to do is say that she didn't understand it should there be a dispute.

DO NOT DO PUT THE CHANOTE IN HER NAME. AS SHE CAN BORROW MONEY AGAINST THE TITLE OR TRANSFER TO HER FAMILY/FRIENDS OR EVEN SELL IT FROM UNDER YOUR NOSE. YOU MAY BE ALL LOVED UP NOW, BUT AS SOON AS SHE GETS COLLATERAL THIS COULD CHANGE AND YOU MAY LOSE EVERYTHING.

IF YOU WIFE IS FROM A BAR BACKGROUND THEN YOU WILL LIKELY LOSE EVERYTHING, MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, OR THE NEXT, BUT EVENTUALLY. DO NOT TRANSFER LAND INTO HER NAME.

The human apple is rotten from the inside out. This kind of shit will never end and is going on all over the world. Wave a big enough wad of cash at the biggest hippy in the world and they would take a spade to a mangrove swamp.

lol. What an absolute bunch of balloons.

They should do this every year on boxing day for ever.

RIP.

Pointless topic post as we're not allowed to criticize.

Disgusting. Revolting and Evil.

Firstly presuming you have a Settlement Visa for your wife,what copious amounts of paperwork are you talking about? Normally there are no forms to fill out once your wife has a Visa,and you do not need to check in to Immigration or the Police for the whole 2 years and 3 months Visa,and it's normal to have no contact at all with the UKBA,would you prefer 30, 60, or 90 day check ins?

Copious amounts of paperwork! could you be more specific on the nature of the forms?

12 days to see your Doctor i've never heard of such a wait,normally if you want to see a specific Dr,and he is fully booked on any one day or on holiday,then you can see another Dr in the Practice,and on the same day. Our Doctors are dedicated to their job and some of the finest in the world,to state that they are penny pinching with prescriptions as if it was their own money,is disgraceful,they do not count the cost of patients health,and their patients health is paramount,and is their only concern,and BTW patients pay £7.80 for each prescription,whether it covers the cost or not.

Form filling: every Country has that,Driving Licence,Passports,Road Tax,Insurance,NI Card,Regulations, applications,CRB checks,Background checks etc etc.

Yes the UK is more expensive to live in with the exception of Food.......Petrol,Gas,House Tax,Road Tax,TV, is more expensive,but then you get paid more in the UK to counteract it.

I have never heard of ticking the box for a Job Application over the phone!

>>And as for the NHS it's not perfect but is still the finest in the world,considering it has a population of around 62 Million to cater for,and as the largest employer in Europe,employs in excess of 1 Million staff, yes there are waiting lists for treatment of non urgent cases,if it was an emergency operation situation,you would get treated immediately.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and pears.

I wish you and your wife good luck and hope you can settle back in again soon.

You're either being deliberately argumentative/patronising or you're just a fool. Job interviews always take place over the phone first in the UK (unless you personally know the employer).Secondly what on earth is a settlement visa? Have you ever actually gone through the process of repatriation to the UK with a Thai spouse ? I seriously doubt it. No such thing as a settlement visa. It's called nationalisation and it takes 3 years, after you've done the unlimited leave to remain which follows the spouse visa, which usually follows the water testing tourist visa. People like you really grind my gears.

And, while I'm at it ''Majic' it does take 12 days or more to see a doctor in the UK, you may have never heard of such a thing 20 odd years ago, but by the tone of your massively patronising response

Firstly presuming you have a Settlement Visa for your wife,what copious amounts of paperwork are you talking about? Normally there are no forms to fill out once your wife has a Visa,and you do not need to check in to Immigration or the Police for the whole 2 years and 3 months Visa,and it's normal to have no contact at all with the UKBA,would you prefer 30, 60, or 90 day check ins?

Copious amounts of paperwork! could you be more specific on the nature of the forms?

12 days to see your Doctor i've never heard of such a wait,normally if you want to see a specific Dr,and he is fully booked on any one day or on holiday,then you can see another Dr in the Practice,and on the same day. Our Doctors are dedicated to their job and some of the finest in the world,to state that they are penny pinching with prescriptions as if it was their own money,is disgraceful,they do not count the cost of patients health,and their patients health is paramount,and is their only concern,and BTW patients pay £7.80 for each prescription,whether it covers the cost or not.

Form filling: every Country has that,Driving Licence,Passports,Road Tax,Insurance,NI Card,Regulations, applications,CRB checks,Background checks etc etc.

Yes the UK is more expensive to live in with the exception of Food.......Petrol,Gas,House Tax,Road Tax,TV, is more expensive,but then you get paid more in the UK to counteract it.

I have never heard of ticking the box for a Job Application over the phone!

And as for the NHS it's not perfect but is still the finest in the world,considering it has a population of around 62 Million to cater for,and as the largest employer in Europe,employs in excess of 1 Million staff, yes there are waiting lists for treatment of non urgent cases,if it was an emergency operation situation,you would get treated immediately.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and pears.

I wish you and your wife good luck and hope you can settle back in again soon.

You're either being deliberately argumentative/patronising or you're just a fool. Job interviews always take place over the phone first in the UK (unless you personally know the employer).Secondly what on earth is a settlement visa? Have you ever actually gone through the process of repatriation to the UK with a Thai spouse ? I seriously doubt it. No such thing as a settlement visa. It's called nationalisation and it takes 3 years, after you've done the unlimited leave to remain which follows the spouse visa, which usually follows the water testing tourist visa. People like you really grind my gears.

And how are they stealing Thai's jobs..... Are there any Thais living and working on Phuket who speak fluent Russian????????????????????????????????????

They are targeting the Russians simply because they fear them most. When it comes to organised crime Russia is a serious player, the incumbent Thai Mafia (and official cronies who reap the benefits - Phuket Vice Governor Chamroen Tipayapongtada) are terrified that the Russians will take over the old rackets and put them out of . So yes, in effect, the Russians are stealing the jobs of local people, however the local people concerned just happen to be the thieving sea pikeys who make a living robbing and extorting tourists.

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

Huh? Exactly why do I need leave TH?

Pease provide us with a list of your top five spots you are suggesting. Please bear in mind:

1. How delightful are the local people?

2. How reasonable is the place to live?

3. How food is the local cuisine?

4. What about the local women? Are they attractive? Open to relationships with foreigners?

It is fine to say you want to leave, but where to?

As I said earlier, G=good luck with finding another country where you can get a decent ride, fresh curry and a beer for under 20 quid.

This is Thailand the Thais don't want a level playing field They know they cannot compete

Well said.

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

Good luck with finding another country where you can get a decent ride, fresh curry and a beer for under 20 quid.

Check the Kao San Road guest houses. A friend of a friend went missing in Bangkok last Christmas Found him drunk with a tart a few days later at one of the guest houses at 7am. He didn't think he had done anything wrong despite leaving his English GF in a state of abject panic/terror. His excuse was he just got caught up in the moment.

I do believe the bit about being most interested in the hospital bill being paid though!!

Shameful Apologist.

How so?

my bad. I meant to target that idiot earlier who questioned whether or not the attack was unprovoked.

I do believe the bit about being most interested in the hospital bill being paid though!!

Shameful Apologist.

My ex-wife was born in Samui and her family were from Baan Tai on Koh Phangan (her Mum was born on the Island) and so I speak with some experience on this matter.

Banning guns on Koh Phangan (and Samui and Tao) is a very good idea. I say this because practically every Thai (and an increasing amount of long term foreign expats) either has a shooter in their car, under the house (in a little tin box buried in the sand) or has very quick access to one via a friend.

In the case of the local (and not so local Nakon Sri Thamerat bad boys that often come and get casual bar work onthe beaches) owning a gun is usually the only option if you want to be taken seriously amongst your pikey mates.

To aggravate this further, there seems to be something inherently violent in the very nature with the island people, especially the youth, quick tempered, very easily offended and with no sense of consequence.

I noticed that many Islanders also lack any genuine compassion for foreigners and would almost seem to take a degree of pleasure in witnessing the beating or swindling tourists at the hands of the locals or other Thais. The reason the police are not (usually) effective in dealing with muggings, beatings, thefts and rapes on Koh Phangan, is that unless they can pin the crime onto an innocent Burmese or mainland character, they are too bloody scared to confront a local lad for fear of stirring up trouble from by his brothers, uncles, parents. A green cop sent to Koh Phangan is on a hardship posting and is well out of his comfort zone.

Ban guns. It will make a difference because pissed up knob heads will be more reluctant flashing them around in public shows of bravado, which is usually when an accident happens and somebody get's caught in the cross fire and gets hurt.

Great post. But unfortunately they haven't said they have any intention of banning guns just to stop issuing and renewing carry permits. They didn't say how are currently issue on Koh Phangan but I bet that they can be counted on the fingers of a mutilated hand and anyway there will be exceptions. In other words they have undertaken to do absolutely nothing of consequence.

What they really need to do is ban illegal guns but since these are already banned there is no need. Perhaps banning legal guns kept in homes should be considered. No doubt a small minority of gun crimes are committed with these.

What is totally lacking is a determination to get extremely tough in enforcing the law on illegal guns. Frequent road blocks with cops searching for guns. Stop and frisk around bars at night. Random checks at bars to check patrons and staff for guns. Not difficult to do but the police are willing to do it for fear of a backlash and because they all illegally carry guns off duty.

The simple answer to that is to pour in the military police for a couple of months. I accept everything that Skorzy said and I agree these Island boys are a rough crew, but the roughest crew in Thailand are the MP's. Nobody effs with them, nobody.

Khoh Phangan is the perfect place for the MP's to put down a marker to all Thailand as to what will happen if you don't get your act together. When they show up the regular police take a whitey.....just ask the CM police how smart they felt when the MP's rolled into town and shut down Spicey.

i know Koh Phangyan can be dangerous but it is not quite bandit country. Isnt that part of its charactor taking the rough with the smooth. Freedome has its price. people shall be dangerously mess behaving. peopls shall be having fun and people shall be fighting.

Normally most fights end in a win or lose. Not normally a draw. i think people should toughen up rarther than putting yourselves into chaines and asking for the very same road block that you shall probably complain about a few weeks later.

For me and i am probably alone but i like lawlessness and each man fighting for themselves and sticking together for savival. I know there is an inocent casualty here so what is the out come. ban all motor bike rentals who do not have a renter lisence arrest everyone who does not wear helmets or have a lisence. stop and search random ( non local people ) for weapons.

If they wantr to make these areas gun free. then i am all for it i really don't care. as if someone wants to shoot somone then the gun comes out at the last minute then the killer is gone. so there is not much time for a gun fight anyway. unless one gets lucky.

Also i like the fact that born and bread Islanders have the power. It gives them identity and it also means that they call the shots which keeps the police in line

corr i wish back in the UK where i am from i had the same power over the police.

The only way i think the police could succefully police full moon parties is to go plane clothes from outside Koh Phangyan. If an iccodent occurs they re-act then leave the island the next day back to the mainland.

Bit like james bond 007. Send Bond on a mission to fight party gangs on tropical islands. i am sure he can find some money pennys whilst in action.

or if there is a problem and noone can help then there is always the A - Team or the cheaper B team if resources are low or the specially BA team

Love your reply BigC. You're right of course, the danger element gives it an edge that some (myself included) found exhilarating. Up until a point of course. The point when the novelty wears off. The point when something goes wrong and things get scary. And then those little boys with big hair, shitty tattoos and rasta pants stop being funny and start giving you the fear, because you know they're all packing a piece and you know they're all stupid and random enough to use it if big daddy gives the word, or worse, if rasta baby is having a bad day with his farang bird and get's it into his tiny head that the best way to man it up in front of her is to stab/shoot some random white bloke, you just never know - wrong place wrong time, never kid yourself, these people have no love for farang. in fact, if one were to go one step further and give a clinical definition of the typical KPG teenage male, one might even go as far as to consider Narcissistic personality disorder.

For those who think a gun ban is the solution, how many of you also complain about government abuse of power, yet you want to take self protection away from the people? Maybe a gun ban will deter people from flashing guns around, but if they are intent on using them they will not flaunt them, until they start shooting, and there may not be anyone around to stop them until the damage is done, because of a gun ban. . Of course, if one is a gun smuggler, a ban would be great news, because it will drive up the prices on the illegal guns that will be smuggled into any place where there is a demand. I have a suspicion that people who want guns banned are those who love the sight of innocent, bloody, dead people who have no means of defense and are killed by irresponsible people, e.g., criminals and the deranged. Flame away!

Sounds like a standard American gun loving member of the NRA statement to me, please correct me (which I'm sure you will) But isn't banning guns a bit of a no brainer? Why would doing nothing be better than doing something? Presumably this isn't just a cheap sound bite but an effort to stop this nail in the coffin for tourism and the associated funds? Controlling illegal weapons won't be easy, but if guns are banned, then the licensing/legal/illegal argument is moot! And no, I don't love the sight of innocent bloody dead people, bit OTT mate if you ask me!

And in this case, the guy was murdered with an illegal firearm. What difference would it make here if guns were banned? He would have still been killed.

The point of banning guns is that it will compromise the current island culture of waving guns around in public and acting like pirates. If guns are illegal on KPG then you won't be able to turn around to a navvy policeman (or an experienced long term cop who is married to the sister of a local bar owner etc) and say, it wasn't my gun, it was my dads. You won't be able to admit to owning a gun in front of the wrong people and further, you will be in a position where somebody can grass you up for owning a gun. Banning guns will stigmatise bravado culture. Sure, there will still be some who will keep their guns, but a lot of people will stop owning them, which by simple mathematics reduces the risk of somebody getting shot. To all the NRA nuts out there, how many times have you heard of a genuine shooting in self defence on the islands? You don't need a gun to defend yourself, a law and culture protecting where you have a neighbourhood where people generally don't have guns considered normal and where the young men of local decent do not consider guns an extension of their manhoods.

A couple of years ago one of my Thai staff (male) received a small package at our office in Suratt. He and several of his co workers got really excited when the parcel arrived and rushed into the kitchen to open it. They tried to hide the contents from me (being a foreigner) but I insisted on knowing what all the fuss was about in case something dodgy was going on. It was indeed dodgy. Within the package was a finger nail sized sliver of rhino horn, wrapped in tissue, cling film and finally tinfoil. When I saw this little shrivelled baby's fingernail I knew exactly what it was without even having to ask. All three fell silent and looked at me expectantly to gauge my reaction. Judging by their childlike expressions (hand in the cookie jar) I made the call right there that there was absolutely zero point in even bothering to try and explain the whole conservation thing to them. We did discuss it lightly a few days later and their point was that it was only a tiny part of a rhino, they didn't kill it themselves and the rhinos live in Africa not Thailand so it doesn't matter; the usual Thai (and often my own) perspective applies heavily here on naughty things - it's good right now and there are no obvious consequences that will directly affect me or my friends and family in the short term. It will be fun. Do it. Do it now.

In reflection, the thing that astonished me most was not the fact that my staff had in their possession illegal rhino horn, but the fact that all three of them were university graduates from good backgrounds and yet they were all, totally and utterly convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that this little piece of chitin was going to turn them into super studs for the up and coming boys night out. They talked of big magic, voodoo, cannibals and darkest Afree-Ka!. It reminded me of a magic amulet that some dodgy monk has cooked up out of the ashes of his predecessors, advertised on the side of a minibus and sold on to destitute gambling addicts for tens of thousands of Bhat. Many will recall the recent article on 'bullet proof tattoos'. Magic. Big Magic.

I guess one of the great attractions to a Westerner to Thailand is the contrast in structural belief systems. Pretty much all Thais who visit a temple believe in voodoo and magic. Unfortunately for our horny friends, this includes cooking up rhino horn for hard ons. Any one of you with Thai friends and family doubt this? Ask them. They'll possibly feed you some bullshit line denying everything, but this is because they know that you, as a foreigner find the idea of rhino horn hard-on preposterous. A good acid test is if they believe in the medicinal properties of shark fin soup, betcha bottom dollar they believe in the magic properties of rhino horn and tiger dick. Importantly even though they believe in in this does not mean that they sanction the illegal poaching and torture or these animals. My wife no longer eats shark fin soup after watching a documentary on how they catch and butcher the sharks. She still unwaveringly believes that sharks fins cure colds however.

In summary wild Rhinos are doomed . The beliefs of many Asians will take generations of hard education to eradicate, indeed it is probably impossible to even attempt this - far longer than the Rhino (and tiger, and sun bear etc etc etc) will be around for.

To persecute every offender would mean to betray their very own brethren, the ones who sold, issued titles and partnered (normally nominees for foreign controlled companies are provided by the same law firm who constructs the sales purchase agreement) with the foreigners.

Heaven forbid the foreigner who was sold a dodgy title may decide to counter sue the lawyer who did the due diligence the land officer who stamped the title and the cheaky little local boy who sold worthless agricultural land/stolen national park.

Indeed, reverting to instant 100% foreign blame as usually happens in these disputes is no longer globally acceptable.

All it will take is the monkey nut Thai prosecuter/land officer who issues the demolition order to <deleted> with the wrong foreigner and the whole thing will be splashed over websites and newspapers all over the world. A well standing and sympathetic international lawyer with an interest in Thai real estate could cause havok.

When i bought my land in Thailand I made a point of keeping a very thorough paper trail, including countless convert recorded conversations (smartphone) with my lawyer, the lands department officer who dealt with the case, and the land seller (all locked down on youtube should anything kick off). All kick backs I had to pay were documented with supporting evidence where possible, all show I was given no choice but to pay (most lawyers are too stupid to keep things verbal and like to send emails asking for things like 'progress money'). I suggest all future buyers do the same, if anything it can be used as leverage for preventing future disputes.

Transferring land into you thai wifes name is considered another form of nomination for the purpose of unrecognised land ownership/control. In truth it is rarely enforced and the majority of Thais I've discussed it with have little understanding of the implications.

http://www.pattaya-property.net/legal-information/#Can_my_Thai_Wife_Own_Land

Prior to 1998, any Thai woman who married a foreigner would lose her right to purchase land in Thailand. She could, however, still retain land that she owned prior to marrying the foreigner. However, 1999 a new Ministerial regulation changed that to allow Thai national's married to foreigners the right to purchase land, but the Thai spouse must prove that the money used in the purchase of freehold land is legally solely theirs with no foreign claim to it. This is usually achieved by the foreign spouse signing a declaration stating that the funds used for the purchase of property belonged to the Thai spouse prior to the marriage and are beyond his claim.

You can have your name on the chanote as a leaseholder. I am aware that most houses sit on land. BTW, it's deed not dead.

you can have your name on NorSor3 or NorSor3Gor as leaseholder as well as chanote, still only gives you 30 years. Lease is not freehold and does not service indefinite usage despite what Khun Kwai at PeePee Law will tell you - there is an alarming amount of miss information floating around on the subject, visit any real estate lawyers website and they'll be some polished variant on the dark art of foreign land ownership. Obviously the more risk free these people can make the process seem, the more people that will employ their worthless services.

House ownership is is comparable to owning (or claiming to own) a tree on somebody else's land. Show me a formal document that proves me wrong and we'll rewrite the history books.