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Exactly as I thought. There was cheating and irregularities in the voting process and insufficient debate. A procedural error. Bill is void.
Those 310 law-makers have shot themselves in the foot pre-empting a decision by saying they won't accept the outcome, they are now in contempt of court and can certainly be punished.
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She will go down in history as the worst democratic leader we've ever had. I'm trying to think what it would be like for her if she had a street movement financed by someone shady forcing her to send in the army and spill blood. Everything going wrong is largely of this administration's making and the funny thing is, she's had so little to do with it. But, the buck stops at the PMs desk. And she, officially, is the PM.
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Who's taking bets… there will be a general election prompted by the end of the year, this is only going to escalate, Yingluck is under pressure and the perfect storm is brewing. The Dems have the momentum and Puea Thai keep making faux paux.
The Constitutional Court will likely take the easy and mild route and rule that the legislative procedure was flawed (vote cheating) and the process voided. It therefore has not ruled on the constitutionality but Peua Thai have exposed themselves by already refusing to respect the ruling. Their opponents are more incensed than ever. The govt won't be disbanded but the bill will be dead. The reds will continue to protest, so will the Democrats. Peua Thai will react with venom and make another silly move.
Their lackey, Somsak, will refuse a censure motion on petty grounds, showing the legislature to be dysfunctional.
The ace in the Democrats hand is to resign en-mass, on this pretext, forcing a new election (since bi-elections that are boycotted in their strongholds will fail to produce a result). Peua Thai are at their weakest now, and the longer this drags out, the more the bankrupt rice scheme will bite them in the butt, the more they lose. It will take them a year and 2 trillion baht in handouts to recover from this position. Yingluck is a lame duck.
Can't blame anyone but themselves.
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Understand this, the government is desperate to get their hands on this money and start dishing it out before the next election, since their rice scheme and others are starting to backfire. The economic indicators are increasingly looking shady, the warnings have come from several financial journalists, growth rate is flagging, exports are down, state coffers are getting empty to buy rice, they really need this money otherwise they are going to lose the next election. It's becoming critical timing, which is why suthep is going in for the kill to get them out before they have a chance to spend.
I think they should give this govt 3-6 months to really screw up, it will take that long to start the money train moving anyhow, we haven't seen the worst yet of the Yingluck policy making.
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I think this is great, we have the whole country protesting at one place or another, ramp up the pressure on Yingluck, her mob precipitated this mess, see how she deals with it - hope her Skype connection is reliable.
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Seek an arrest warrant for treason. More hilarious hypocrisy from a man who was betrayed by the master he is so loyal to. He's no even in charge of the police any longer.
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He's a dreadful individual, totally unsuitable to be directing national policy, seems like most the people present were against this, rather than take that message away and listen to THE PEOPLE he gives them the forefinger and threatens to persist unilaterally. This is Peua Thai's idea of governing for the people, even here in the heartland of their supporters.
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The best thing we can all do is sit back and watch this collapse unfold, it will be the end of Peua Thai's electoral party. This is the healthiest and most likely means of getting rid of the Thaksin nightmare, let him engineer it himself. The BAAC is weeks away from closing it's doors with empty coffers and nowhere to raise money. Farmers will be peeved no doubt.
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Abhisit gets a raspberry for stating the obvious.
If ever there is a change of power Tarit would be best advised to take an extended holiday in exile, he's not got much future in public office here. Likely to have charges brought against him.
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Ha ha, gotta wonder what planet these guys have been on last few weeks, country is in crisis, govt might not last, politics has just become even more fractious, and here they are talking about forging ahead with the reform agenda. Even though they flatly ignored all the advice at the last one.
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I suppose he's also going after Edward Snowden. People Whistleblowing against Peua Thai and their lackeys are criminals, people whistle blowing against the Dems - rewarded. No irony eh, silly clown. Tarit is well on his way to being dubbed the 'Chemical Ali' of the Thai crisis.
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This is marvellous, these two aren't in the slightest bit worried because they well know the charge simply cannot stick otherwise Yingluck's position will be equally imperilled. But every step of the way, rather than be humiliated, they will man up to it and every single time they appear in court everyone will ask 'And where is Thaksin the fugitive'.
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Actually it's not so clear cut. Not all of the disputed territory has been awarded to Cambodia as I understand it; from the 'other' news source
However, the court rejected Cambodia's claim that it was also awarded a nearby hill, called Phnum Trap or Phu Makheu in Thailand, by the 1962 ICJ ruling that was being interpreted in Monday's judgment.
Pheu Makheu is in the disputed 4.6 square kilometre area.
Not a complete victory, the international press saw it as Thailand disputing the ownership of the promontory but actually Thailand disputed the 4.6kms of land, and some of it has now been included in Cambodia's territory.
A lose-lose really, since the Nationalists will interpret this as 'losing some land' and take advantage of it against the Shinawatra govt.
The Cambodian govt still won't manage to open it since Thailand controls the hill adjacent, though they've been ordered to pull back troops.
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Just come clean and ditch the bill, you created this showdown, now fix it, stop this crap about 'topple the govt' or 'bill to help the people reconcile'. Idiots.
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Stupid idea, if you left it to the whole country they would likely favour Thaksin. Not everyone adores him but I doubt the average Thai would see want to see him go to jail. Puu-Yai like that don't suffer the indignity in this country.
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Yingluck's plea to the Senate is irrelevant, it's full of people who listen to Thaksin, and he gives orders irrespective of how it might destabilise things. This incident demonstrates amply why it's so important to maintain a Senate that is immune to partisan influence. Should this recur next year, with a fully Isarn elected Senate, they would likely pass the amnesty bill for the benefit of Thaksin and the country be damned.
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His spin doctors need to advise him to shut his mouth, just makes him sound worse. A week ago he was telling the Post, I won't stop 'fighting', I don't know how to spell lose.
Btw, buddy, it's not just the opposition opposing you, this bill has drawn the most unified and widespread reaction since 2006 when you were also suddenly very unpopular.
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Gotta love it, Peua Thai in total denial once again, they're just innocently legislating and the whole country going bezerk in reaction is all the pesky spoil sport Dem-PADs who actually want to ruin the tourist season just to spite this wonderful popular govt.
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So, she's finally spoke up, problem is, every time she opens her mouth it becomes so damn obvious that she lacks the intelligence for this job, it's just plain insulting to the whole country and her party that she comes out with this stuff, how she keeps a straight face is beyond me.
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The guy's nuts, how about an Amnesty for Abhisit and pressing further charges against Thaksin for crimes against the state last week.
And I suppose he will call it the 'reconciliation' bill.
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She's not lying, she will be in Lop Buri or Montenegro or such when Thaksin orders a dissolution. But she's right that no dissolution will take place until the amnesty whitewash is signed and sealed. But just how much trouble will there be over those next 60 days.
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we're advancing to a position where everyone is paid off. Of course, you can also pay people to be violent and have certain 'individuals' taken out.
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With Nikom making comments like that he's wholly unsuitable to be speaker of the senate, too biased, Senate is supposed to keep an eye on the government's parliamentary activity, not try and facilitate it. Sad that someone in charge of such an important body believes this bill will lead to reconciliation when we are seeing quite the opposition in reaction, even from govt's own supporters.
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It's all pointless, whether there's an ISA or not if any blood is spilt Yingluck must get indicted.
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Constitutional Court says charter amendments unconstitutional
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Well, the Dems at Ratchadamnern should now go home, they've done well lately, time to cool things down. They should now propose their own bill for a fully elected Senate that has some holistic constraints on it.