dansan

"According to Mr. Jatuporn, the current demonstrations comprised the same group of people that had assembled against Thaksin prior to the 2006 coup detat."

And people are supposed to be surprised at that?

The root cause isn't the immigration rules, it's the crap, dangerous drivers.

I am sorry but I have to disagree.

The immigration rules fuel the border run buses. If there was no incessant requirement for us of us that stay, live and work here then this would be a less frequent occurrence.

Yes, dangerous drivers are a problem but with an easier route to staying here we may not be all forced on a 90 day basis (or sooner) to have to sit with these buffoons in the back of an overcrowded and frankly unsafe mini-bus.

I think what Karen is saying is that it's dangerous here no matter your reason for being on the road, and that if it weren't, the visa run requirement wouldn't be so risky. Makes sense.

Sadly no. The visa run is called such a thing for a reason.

It's a run and done at the fastest speed possible. The more we are constantly made to do these mad "runs" the more that these accidents will happen.

If there were no mad drivers on the road it would make these mad runs no less dangerous.

Because lets face it... The majority (including this one) had accidents without the aid of another <deleted> driver. These guys normally total themselves quite well but the sad thing is they take others with them.

“These requirements are not in place to make life difficult for foreigners,” he said. “They are in place to protect Thai workers. For example, if a company can pay foreigners a low salary – below the legal minimum – then they may prefer to hire foreigners over Thais."

A country that has a 2% unemployment rate needs laws to protect the jobs of it's citizens from foreigners? Hmmm...What is wrong with this picture?

So 'foreigners' are only Caucasian?!

Exactly, if Thailand opens its borders to Philippines workers on a massive scale the hotels, hospitals, etc will hire them in droves. better English ,more educated, and extremely hard working.

So not unlike the way that they use, abuse and have constantly fed of the underpaid Burmese and Khmer migrant workers.

The Phillo's wuld have to go some to make them selves more affordable than those poor buggers.

I will give you something though @mikeinphuket, you seem to have a really overactive imagination and a perverse view of prison.

With a bit of luck someone in the clink may spike his tap water with a shot before he gets passed around for some rear end action

He might get pump up in there and it won't be due to steroids !

See this is the kind of comment that should be really closely analyzed.

I mean come on... Who in their right mind writes such bile?

Will his ฿ billions be given to the surviving families of the 2500 people who were murdered under the excuse of being drug dealers.

If he is agreeable it should be done Before he returns Not after.

Valid and perfectly relevant point. I personally feel that it would be best dispersed to those people slaughtered during his populist failure of a drugs policy.

Anyone that thinks that it worked is totally twisted and has misted lenses.

The fact that so many died during the drug war is enough for me to find this man eternally guilty of crimes against the people.

Umm.... there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, dansan. Before you go about calling everyone a 'jack ass' [sic], maybe you allow for the possibility that some things exist that you haven't yet seen. Yes, K can be added to smokeables. See this link, for instance: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/60764-effects-of-smoking-Ketamine

Uh Oh... Me thinks poster may not have read the posts on the link that was sent...

"I've smoked both ketamine HCl and ketamine freebase. At first I thought i got a little somethin from it but after furthe experiments realized it was nothin more than placebo. And it taste like complete shit. Just IM it like your supposed to."

Sure, quote/read selectively if it makes you feel better. But if you try reading the other posts, you'll see some differing opinions, e.g., "I love to do a bump or two of K every now and then and enjoy smoking it as well. I roll up small blunts laced with a small amount dried ketamine powder. It smells like shit when its buring and keeps going out but the effects are pretty nice. I kinda feel like I am smoking angel dust (PCP). Very nice high. Im sure its really bad for you though." I personally think these people are idiots, but that's not the point right now.

I agree... That is not the point. The point is to have a grounding of either knowledge or experience.

To randomly post a link without any other information or personal experience is kinda lame. We can all do that.

What is useful and necessary for a discussion forum like this is people to make an educated and informative post.

Blindly quoting sources, posting dubious links and basically being unable to genuinely add to a debate is and would be to completely miss the point of such a forum.

You amuse me, son. First, you quote from the link I sent to support your position (and suggest that I hadn't read the linked page). When I provide a specific quote to counter you, you turn around and question the validity of the site (which you had previously quoted from!). Can't have it both ways. Anyway, you seem to be of the school of thought that says you won't believe the moon isn't made from cheese unless you fly up there and put some moon in your mouth (i.e., personal experience as the primary source of knowledge). Sorry, I won't play that game - I need every brain cell I have. But here are some other 'official sites', if that lights your pipe, all of which saying that K is sometimes smoked with tobacco or cannabis:

http://www.druginfo.sl.nsw.gov.au/drugs/list/ketamine.html

http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs10/10255/index.htm

http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/health-sante/addiction/ketamine-eng.php

Oh my giddy aunt...

Some people just don't get it huh.

You can always throw up more links, I said before that anyone can do a lame act like that.

What takes intelligence and verve is the ability to talk from a basis of knowledge.

Being able to copy and paste does not in any way constitute a basis of knowledge, however many links you can harvest and post.

Talk from your heart, talk from experience but please do us all a favour and dont talk from that place round the back.

EDIT: And I aint yours or anyone elses "Son" sonny Jim.

Yeah right and I think I just saw a huge pig fly through the sky!

Didn't know what it was until I looked it up.....dangerous stuff....no way it was going to Aussie land....he was going to use it on somebody......

he was going to use nearly one thousand doses (96 bottles each 10ml) of a drug that causes hallucinations on "somebody"? alt=huh.png width=20 height=20>

I just looked online and I saw that a litre of Ketamine Liquid will make about 60 grams of powder.

also (online) i can see that they sell 1 gram of Ketamine in AUSTRALIA is about $40 - $60 (AUD) to the end-consumer.

so, this guys 96 x 10ml bottles is about a litre. = about $3,500 (AUD) ; (about £2,100 GBP, or $3,300 USD).

it seems like such a big risk for such a small business!!!

PS: if he is selling it to dealers, then he wont get as much as $40 - $60 AUD per gram!! so his profit in this scheme wont be much at all !

Yeap... A paltry profit for such a stupid risk.

It's a known date rape drug that can be cystalized in a microwave and then smoked or added to something else being smoked. Think twice before you smoke anything. Never leave a drink on a table and come back to finish it off. Never drink or smoke anything offered by a stranger or "new friend". Be aware of what might be added to cheap bucket drinks.

Excuse me but you don't seem to a have clue what you're on about.

Ketamine for date rape?date rape what? a horse? A hallucinogen in adults(in other words you'd get the bejesus kicked out of you by your prospective rape victim),that is STILL(since 1936) one of the safest Anaesthetics around(they use it on children)that is NEVER smoked.

lol.

not even going to bother correcting you further,

ignorance is bliss,and there is a startling amount of it in evidence on TV,especially concerning drugs,

oh and let me beat you to the punch before you call me a drug user or addict,I'm in the Security Business and have been for 20 years,that's where I got my knowledge.

I know first hand of two women who were raped on K in the UK. It is a hallucinogen however it is also a dissociative, an anaesthetic and people who take too much can't even walk or talk (or see reality) never mind kick people's heads in.

I've been familiar with it since the last century, before it was a controlled substance (this happened in 2005 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-change-to-the-misuse-of-drugs-act-1971-to-make-ketamine-a-class-c-controlled-substance-and-place-it-in-schedule-4-part-1-of-the-misuse-of-drugs-regulations-2001) and people used to fly it in to the UK from India hidden in 500ml water bottles (pre liquid on flight laws).

Never heard of anyone smoking it though.. usually it's snorted, occasionally injected.

I remember the India runners too.

In London in the late 90's it was always available as what was called "liquid" for obvious reasons.

Some people made a pretty penny, it was all going well till 9/11 and the advent of liquids being banned from flights.

I knew people that were so brazen that they basically walked on to a flight to the UK with a liter Evian bottle full of the stuff.

And those were the small fry.

I am sure that had he been dressed a little more conservatively, he might have succeeded in passing through, unless he was fingered.

As it is, his appearance, replete with tattoos and tank top, probably set off a few alarm bells.

Have a g'day mate, your cage awaits you.

And also an avid bodybuilder.. Get bigger...

More room for other tattoos.

He wanted to get more conspicuous

It did work out that way...

I always wonder about men who wear sunglasses on top of their head instead of over their eyes.

I am also very suspicious of people who wear sunglasses indoors

Umm.... there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, dansan. Before you go about calling everyone a 'jack ass' [sic], maybe you allow for the possibility that some things exist that you haven't yet seen. Yes, K can be added to smokeables. See this link, for instance: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/60764-effects-of-smoking-Ketamine

Uh Oh... Me thinks poster may not have read the posts on the link that was sent...

"I've smoked both ketamine HCl and ketamine freebase. At first I thought i got a little somethin from it but after furthe experiments realized it was nothin more than placebo. And it taste like complete shit. Just IM it like your supposed to."

Sure, quote/read selectively if it makes you feel better. But if you try reading the other posts, you'll see some differing opinions, e.g., "I love to do a bump or two of K every now and then and enjoy smoking it as well. I roll up small blunts laced with a small amount dried ketamine powder. It smells like shit when its buring and keeps going out but the effects are pretty nice. I kinda feel like I am smoking angel dust (PCP). Very nice high. Im sure its really bad for you though." I personally think these people are idiots, but that's not the point right now.

I agree... That is not the point. The point is to have a grounding of either knowledge or experience.

To randomly post a link without any other information or personal experience is kinda lame. We can all do that.

What is useful and necessary for a discussion forum like this is people to make an educated and informative post.

Blindly quoting sources, posting dubious links and basically being unable to genuinely add to a debate is and would be to completely miss the point of such a forum.

And at the end of the day...

Lets not ever forget that this guy was caught with Pharmaceuticals.

Each one of those bottles came from a registered drug company. This is not some smack story.

These things are legally available over in Cambodia.

Not here for obvious reasons.

But compared to some guy with a bag of heroin, this guy is really not in the same league.

And as they are Pharma's then it also raises the question of how many of us know people that use Pharma's that they shouldn't?

We all know a pill popper or two, maybe they might take the odd Xanex or Vally to get to sleep. In my mind that makes them no better than any K user.

i think he will have minor trouble with it compared to carrying coke or yaba... available over counter, own use, no intention to sell in thailand, etc... that guy is out with a fine in no time.

The old advice is always the best advice...

Pay quickly and as early as possible.

even if it tripled in price by now, still cheap enough to get some "stock" and try your luck at the border... i would never do it as i'm too intelligent but that aussie guy doesn't look like a genius so it makes sense to me

Yeah makes perfect sense.

Go to Cambodia... Find out how easy it is to get any substance that you desire.

Go mental on how much money you are gonna make back home.

Go and fool yourself into thinking it's gonna be easy and that you are far more clever than these Khmers any how.

Go and totally forget that you have to deal with the Thais as well...

Go and get totally screwed by a Thai border drug crack down for the coming holidays.

Perfect example of what is commonly known as "Hubris".

i've used ketamine a few times in the mid '90s to party. it's not a daterape drug and when used with caution less dangerous than alcohol, the number 1 killer out there. back then ketamine was not illegal btw and kinda "underground" compared to MDMA and the likes. this guy probably smuggled it to use it himself and to sell and make a few bucks. i guess it's cheapo available in pharmacies in Khmerland...

When I was living there in 2000 it was $2.50 per bottle and you could get quite a few g's from that.

And just to clarify... I never said you "couldn't" smoke it... I always meant that you "wouldn't" smoke it.

Hell... You can smoke cat litter if it so pleases you.

Umm.... there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, dansan. Before you go about calling everyone a 'jack ass' [sic], maybe you allow for the possibility that some things exist that you haven't yet seen. Yes, K can be added to smokeables. See this link, for instance: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/60764-effects-of-smoking-Ketamine

Uh Oh... Me thinks poster may not have read the posts on the link that was sent...

"I've smoked both ketamine HCl and ketamine freebase. At first I thought i got a little somethin from it but after furthe experiments realized it was nothin more than placebo. And it taste like complete shit. Just IM it like your supposed to."

What a fool ! And dressed the way he is, with no respect for Thai culture, he was bound to get pulled up and checked. Good luck getting a syringe full of growth hormone in jail big boy !

"no respect for thai culture"!?

Obviously you don't choose to dress this way, and neither do I, but I fail to see how it's disrespectful of Thai culture. Ever been to Isaan?

But yes, certainly a fool.

He'd be well dressed for the parts of Issan I have lived in.

Interesting how every junkie in the land comes out and is now an expert. This is Thailand. The Thais have a different recreational and non recreational use for just about anything. They smoke it, drink it, shoot it, spike it and whatever knows what it.

This person is a smuggler, plain and simple, like it or not. The laws of this country are well known.

So this is how it goes now huh? We are labelled as "Junkies" for speaking coherently and with a basis of actual knowledge of the subject at hand.

It sure shows a level of maturity when people resort to simple name calling to try and justify their thoughts and beliefs and at times outrageous comments.

Sad really but not unexpected.

one of the safest Anaesthetics around(they use it on children)that is NEVER smoked.

I am no expert, but a quick Google shows plenty of forums discussing the effects of smoking Ketamine.....

Come on man... Google anything and you will get results that fit your argument, does not necessarily make them so.

I can tell you from experience that this is rarely smoked at all.

Am I the only one who is somehow sorry for this 21 yo fool ?

Probably not.

The debate rages around the drug that he was carrying. An item that I know nothing about and have not commented on in this thread.

What I do know, is that he is more of a fool to have showed up at the Poipet border crossing dressed the way he was.

Had he been wearing a clean, long sleeved shirt and slacks and acting a little less macho, he might just have made it through untouched. Not that I condone that either.

Customs and Immigration police probably profiled him as a fair target. They got lucky.

Fortunately, he should be able to look after himself where he is going for a short stay.

I concur.

Tears again? Really? Come on...

It's also easily purchased at many pharmacies in Phnom Penh and other provinces.

As someone previously mentioned, it's still used as a anesthetic in developing countries and a good one at that.