Baerboxer

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Your comments are characterized by both sidesism. The fact is that it's the Republican party which has repeatedly tried to limit access to voting. In this case they waited until votes were cast to challenge the process rather than do so beforehand.

It was the Democrats who refused to respect the last election result, acted like spoilt children and have done everything they could think of to try and discredit and end Trump's presidency early.

Now at election time the Republicans seem to be trying to limit the access to voting. Surely, they should have made challenges to processes way before the election.  

The Democrats also tried to challenge the Electoral College process, after Hilary lost, by repeated reference to her winning the popular vote. If they want to propose changes it should be before not after elections and certainly not retrospective. 

Which supports the point I was making. Politicians, of both sides of the spectrum in Western democracies, aren't public minded servants, honorable and ethical, seeking to serve their electorates anymore. They are addicted to power, want to rule and many seem to enrich themselves too. 

Just now, placeholder said:

Sure. Joe Biden is attacking the Supreme Court's decisions just as much as is Donald Trump. Yup.

Joe Biden didn't want to tell anybody about the Supreme Court till after the election. Said voters didn't have the right to know!

Wait and see how he, Harris and Pelosi deal with the Courts and verdicts they don't like should the Democrats win, retain the Congress and win the Senate. 

If you think they are more honest and transparent then good luck with that! 

14 hours ago, Tug said:

I understand how you feel but NEVER give up the ship we shal overcome this abomination of an administration and trumps minions just lost again so cheer up brother change is a coming we will be a stronger country in the long run because of this mistake imo

I hope so.

But like the US, the UK, France, Germany and all others loosely referred to as the Western Democracies, are facing unprecedented challenges and seem to lack the stalwart talented skilled politicians of the past.  

Hopefully, this phenomenon will soon pass and brighter, energized visionary politicians will emerge. And all the Western Powers will emerge stronger, better and more enlightened because of it.

Otherwise the totalitarian regimes will spread their influence.

On 11/2/2020 at 6:20 PM, Sujo said:

To put it simply, they are not interested in democracy, only power at all costs.

That appears to be an allegation laid at the door of both parties. 

Impeach, fake news, riots, disempower the law, politicize the judiciary, refuse to respect election results. 

Notions of a robust but fair campaign, presenting credible facts and policies to an informed electorate are long gone. Now about spite, bile and who can whip up the most accusations and "evidence" to discredit the other.

On 11/2/2020 at 8:38 AM, worgeordie said:

Democracy is alive and well in America ????,denying people the chance to vote in a safe way, those that are trying to stop voting need to bow their head in shame,but as they will try every dirty trick in the book,they dont give a sh*t.  I am not American, but looking at what's going on in this election,in what's suppose to be the World leader in democracy......very bad. it's more like what occurs in 3rd World dictatorships. 

regards worgeordie

 

Totally agree. How the non democratic rulers in China, Russia, Iran, etc must be laughing. And how the  ones in those very corrupt democracies, like India, Pakistan and numerous African states, that are always plagued with huge election process rows must be feeling somewhat more normal now.

There were accusations about postal votes in the UK at the last election to. I also remember FB posts claiming vote counting fraud in the Scottish Referendum.

Now, just who would be the likely beneficiaries of spreading attacks on the credibility of democracy and democratic processes I wonder?

On 11/2/2020 at 12:13 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

I take this as acknowledging he’s given up on his hopes of being Britain’s Ambassador to the US.

I think he's possibly considering being German Ambassador instead, thanks to his German passport. Nothing like edging your bets! ????

Or maybe Trump has him lined up to replace Faucci? Farage was supposed to be moving to the US at one time.

A man of many coats. ????

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I thought the UK was about to lock everyone up at home for a month?

And France?

Many European countries are re-introducing partial lockdowns as cases rise again. France, Germany, Slovakia, Spain etc.

Boris said at the weekend "that we must take immediate action and start next Thursday" 555!

But on a serious note, there is quite a bit of discussion in legal associations as to the legality of a UK government imposing lockdowns that restrict people's freedoms without due legal process. Boris, like his predecessor Mrs May, needs sharper legal advisers or might be facing a few test cases soon. Successive British governments have had a tendency to ignore the rights of English, Welsh and Northern Irish enshrined in Common Law (Scottish Law is different).

On 11/2/2020 at 8:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd vote for him if I could.

Seek professional help - quickly! 

1 hour ago, Forza2002 said:

Waste of time and resources. As if a ruling Govt. MP would be found guilty of anything. Even on the off chance she is found guilty, it would be appealed and the case would be in abeyance for at least 25 years. Pareena is as pure as the driven snow... ???? Next...

Time taken to go to court and reach a verdict X years; time taken to go to Appeals Court X + Several Years; time taken to go to Supreme Court X + several years + several more years. If guilty, as a first offender from a very influential regional political family, any prison sentence likely suspended. And a fine that is pocket money to them.

Meanwhile, what has happened to the land in question? Has it been taken back? All their constructions removed, the land being returned to how it was at their expense? Or are they still using it to generate more income?

These things never seem to be concluded.

Wait for the knee-jerk reaction. All foreigners to be banned from using gun ranges. 

From the ranges that I've seen, foreigners aren't always welcome unless they are accompanied by Thais known to the range. Presumably they expect the Thai(s) to vouch for them? The ones that allow just anyone with the money to wander in, rent a gun and ammo and bang away should be avoided; and should be much better regulated and managed. 

30 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Yes because everything not American is evil, according to many of their citizens, while in my opinion America is the most evil part in all of this

It certainly seems to dispel the much vaunted 'American Free Speech" and encouraging whistle bowers myths.

They like to out other countries for things they do themselves! Remember they spied on Mutti Merkel and other EU leaders. Close "allies" 555!

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

And why not...most Tory MP's and their families have applied for EU passports wherever the laws allow them......

Can you provide statistics and evidence to support you claim?

Otherwise you are posting fake information.

3 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

The important word here is "plausibility" !  When you have a convincing liar in full swing, an awful lot of nasty stuff is going to hit the fan, and there is nothing that can be done about it. The liar usually knows that everyone is going to believe them over the other party, and rejoices in creating mayhem. If a reliable witness saw Depp striking Heard then there is a basis for guilt, but if not then there is no solid ground to form a guilty decision.

This decision does look rather odd. But certain sections of the British judiciary are known for odd decisions! That's why the appeals and higher courts are so busy.

Very surprising if he doesn't appeal. Another good pay day for the lawyers but Depp has plenty of money.

8 hours ago, ChakaKhan said:

The brown envelope is in its usual spot....kop khun krup

Are you suggesting Fitch receive bribes? Any evidence or perhaps a few Changs?

2 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

The man is delusional.

 

Thailand and the U.S. are maintaining diplomatic relations, and there always has been a U.S. consulate in Chiang Mai. If the U.S. government decides to construct a new consulate building (not with Thai but with U.S. funding, no less), so be it.

 

Or is the dunce now suggesting that Thailand should break off diplomatic relations with the United States over the curbing of GSP benefits?

 

Even more so, the wild assumption that China has not yet dispatched a new ambassador to Thailand because the U.S. is building a new consulate-general compound is nothing short of ludicrous.  

The non elected mysteriously appointed UDD Chairman delusional - totally! He's simply a mouthpiece for his boss. And not a very bright one at that. Willing to go to jail for the family while they all rat out.

About as false as that photo shopped photo of him.

UDD - no longer relevant. The student's and most young people can see straight through them.

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I don't believe any of it, Corbyn is innocent.

And suspending him from the party means nothing, he's still an MP, he still gets a wage, expenses and a vote.

If I were him, I'd be starting my own Labour break-away party, or reviving the 'Socialist Labour party', reduce their number of MPs and split their vote with the proletariat.

The could call themselves the Socialist Workers Party, or Momentum. Oh er, they've tried those already!

Corbyn denies any reality he doesn't like, always has and always will. Time the old fossil was retired.

Of course PTP won't cooperate. Their idea of reconciliation is to hold a vote in the early hours of the morning, after all opposition have been sent home by being told the vote won't be till the next day! And of course, vote to totally whitewash their big boss and give him lifetime immunity.

Luckily for Thailand I think the new younger breed of politically savvy protesters and campaigners for change know PTP too well to be influenced by this gang. And won't let them try and grab power for their own benefit.

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

the election is already underway. 40 million have already voted. Nov 3 is the end of the election.

which is totally immaterial. As is the fact that Obama was denied because he didn't have control of the senate.

Boo hoo, so unfair, unless that unfairness favors the Democrats of course. Standard hypocrisy and grumbling when can't have their own way.

3 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

It was the paranoid reaction of the government to the pandemic rather than the pandemic itself which caused these 1.57 trillion losses to Thai tourism. 

 

Instead of gradually opening the country months ago after having learned about the virus and it's transmission and treatment, they decided to block any tourists from coming. So what did they expect, other than ruining the industry?

 

But of course, there is this masterplan of the generals, to sell the country to China in order to line up the own pockets. So nothing else was to expect.

Yes right. Meanwhile in the real world, WHO recognizes that Thailand has handled the pandemic brilliantly compared to all those wonderful "first world" nations in Europe, the US, Aussie etc. They all put money before people and are now enjoying their second lockdowns, curbs and curfews. 

Dumb idea not to close the borders and have millions affected.