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You will still be able to obtain a retirement again visa in the future. But there have been reports of people no longer being able to obtain a Non-O retirement visa and only a Non-OA. At this point I think it could be good to consult with an immigration lawyer in Thailand to get definitive answers on your questions. Whatever people tell you in these forums, including myself, although intended to be the most correct information, may not be the same case for everyone. So speaking with a lawyer would better guarantee that you are working with the most correct information that applies to your specific case. Best wishes.

There are some information boxes on the online form where there is no red star to indicate that the information is necessary to submit. These are things such as Given Name, Middle Name, Stay Visa Expiry, Building Name / Owner Name, and Phone No. Even though it may seem that some of these boxes of information are not required, if you don't fill in every box, then there is a chance they will reject your online submission. So it is best to fill in every single box when completing the online application.

What is a "permanent 800K bank deposit"? You mean the bank will never allow you to withdraw the money? Is it a long term fixed deposit of 5 years? I have never heard of them accepting a passbook updated the previous day. That's unusual. Did you also submit a 12 month bank statement?

That's good news that it worked. Some people have posted reports of submitting a map printed from Google maps and were asked to still hand draw a new map anyway. So it seems people's experience on this can vary. But one can always draw a hand written map in 2 minutes if they don't accept a printed one. So not a big issue.

If you are using a VPN, always good to disable it when trying to access Thai government websites. VPNs can cause some issues.

I think the short answer is that you are going to need to reenter Thailand on a brand new visa if you want to go from a retirement visa to a business visa and eventually obtain a work permit. When I went from a business visa to retirement visa I also had to leave the country first and reenter with a brand new visa and start the visa process over again as there was no way to convert it. And if you have a regular O visa now, then you may not be able to get a regular O visa again in the future if someday you want to switch back to a retirement visa. Most likely your only option will be an OA retirement visa, which also carries medical insurance requirements.

By the way, are you on a regular "O" or an "O-A" retirement visa now? If it is a regular "O", and you switch to a business visa for a while, and then one day you want to go back onto a retirement visa, I believe that O-A might be your only option at that point. And I believe O-A might have some medical insurance requirements. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but that is my understanding. And when I was on a work permit before, I had to leave the country and come back in on a tourist visa in order to convert it to an O visa for retirement in Thailand. Since the regular O might not be available anymore, you might have to leave first and then obtain an O-A from an overseas Thai consulate if you would ever want to switch back to a retirement visa. Maybe someone else can chime in and reconfirm this though.

Can't cancel and convert it to anything. You would need to leave the country and come back in on a new 30 day visa and start the whole process over.

Sorry, I made a mistake. “The Acknowledgement of Penalties for A Visa Overstay” is actually just a one page form. I am attaching all the forms here as both JPG & PDF for the following forms that I listed in my post above: 9 - A single page form that only says "Statement" at the top (provided to you at immigration). 10 - A single page form entitled "ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PERMIT OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND". (provided to you at immigration). 11 - A form entitled "The Acknowledgement of Penalties for A Visa Overstay" (provided to you at immigration). I didn't name the attached files, I just numbered them. They are all A4 sized files, which are good quality and can be printed very easily by any printer or print shop. There is also a 4th form that is 2 pages which I had forgotten about and is just a document that you have to sign to acknowledge. Nothing to fill in. It is the terms of qualification for a retirement visa. You just sign on the dotted lines at the bottom of the second page. What I would suggest doing with all of the forms is filling them all out once, but without signing them. Then make multiple photo copies of each of the filled in forms. Then, in the future, you can just sign the photo copies of the forms with blue ink, but without having to fill out the forms again every year. 1.pdf 2.pdf 3.pdf 4.pdf

Please note that I believe “The Acknowledgement of Penalties for A Visa Overstay” form is a 2 sided form, thus 2 pages. I’ll recheck later.

Thank you.

I realize you are applying in Korat, but here are the document requirements at CW in case there is some overlap which may be useful: 1 - Form TM.7 Completed and Signed - 2 Pages - Front & Back 2 - One recent 4X6CM Photo Of Yourself – Attach to back side of form TM.7 3 - A letter from your bank certifying your current account balance. Letter to be issued and dated the same date as the day when applying for the extension of stay. 4 – Update passbook at the bank on the same day as applying for the extension of stay and create a photocopy of the updated account balance to give to Immigration. Also, photocopy the front page of passbook showing your name and account number and any photocopy all pages in between containing any deposits and withdrawals for the past 12 months. 5 – A certified (signed and stamped) bank statement issued by the bank for the 12 month period starting from the date that the last 1 year extension was applied for until present date. 6 – Photocopy of the first page of the passport and photocopies of all passport pages containing visas stamps and passport entry and exit stamps pertaining to the current visa. 7 - Copy of the current receipt from immigration for form TM.47 (90 day notification of residence address in Thailand). 8 – Hand drawn map showing directions to your residence. 9 - A single page form that only says "Statement" at the top (provided to you at immigration). 10 - A single page form entitled "ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PERMIT OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND". (provided to you at immigration). 11 - A two page form entitled "The Acknowledgement of Penalties for A Visa Overstay" (provided to you at immigration). 12 - Copy of House Registration (if you have one). 13 – Copy of Pink Government ID Card (if you have one). *All of the above photocopied documents you submit need to also have your hand written signature somewhere on the photocopy (preferably in blue ink).

I suspect this is a common occurrence and normally they won't require something that you are not able to provide. When you first arrive at CW you will meet with a person who checks documents before you meet with an immigration officer. At that moment the document checker might ask where is your 90 day report if they are looking for it. Then explain you just entered the country in the last 30 days (or whatever it's been). They will see your entry stamp date and I assume the document checker will make a note of it. Then hopefully it won't come up again during the rest of the procedure. To be honest, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't be worrying about it.

Also, I confirmed there are 3 extra forms you need to fill out at Immigration which aren't on my list above: 1 - A single page form that only says "Statement" at the top. It seems to be some sort of affidavit. You have to fill out name and address at the top and then sign the bottom. 2 - A single page form entitled "ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PERMIT OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND". Requires name, age, date and signature twice at the bottom. 3 - A two page form entitled "The Acknowledgement of Penalties for A Visa Overstay". Requires date, name, age, nationality and signature twice at the bottom on the first page and then signature only again on the second page.

When you refer to BKK are you referring to BBL or Bangkok Bank? If yes, and you are using Bangkok Bank, then next question is do you have the Bangkok Bank mobile app in your phone? If you do then is your fixed deposit account linked to your accounts within the Bangkok Bank mobile app? If so, then click on the "More Services" tab at the bottom of the app and you will see an option for "Request account statement". There you can request a (free of charge) statement for up to 12 months back and it will be emailed to your email address on file with the bank which is associated with your account. You should receive the email from BBL within 10 minutes. It will come as a password protected PDF file attachment. Your 8 digit birthdate will be the password to unlock the file (day, month, year). Then you can print that statement out.

Are these two mobile apps still in service or have they both been decommissioned?

Interesting how things are different at each office. Here they just hand you the extra forms and then you can fill them out while the IO is typing your details into the system for the extension. They don't make a fuss about it at CW thankfully. And I remember having the photo taken with that overstay penalty form 2-3 times in the past.

In CW they normally hand you a few documents like this to fill out and sign when you are sitting at the desk with the IO. In my experience these additional forms can change from time to time so I normally just wait until I go to immigration and fill out whatever extra forms they ask me to do. Thus, I don't try and fill these things out in advance since they might change. I also recall that with the one regarding penalties of overstay that they would like you to hold up the form after you sign it and they take a digital photo of you holding the signed form. Again, this is just from memory, so apologies if this information isn't entirely up to date.

Thank you. That is good news. With regards to TM47, you are referring to your current receipt from immigration of 90 day report I assume?

I think this is the current website: https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30api/loginExternal.jsp

https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30api/loginExternal.jsp

Do they require a TM30 at CW too? I signed up once years ago using the Section 38 app, which doesn't seem to work anymore for some reason. The app opens, but can no longer login in. Anyway, I've never been asked for it at CW in the past and I have a print out from the app I made years ago when the app was still working. Is something different required now?

Following is the 10 item list I always work from. Can't guarantee though that it is fully up to date as of now. Documents: 1 - Form TM.7 Completed and Signed - 2 Pages - Front & Back 2 - 4X6 CM Photo Of Yourself – Attach to back side of form TM.7 3 - A letter from your bank certifying your current account balance to be issued and dated the same date as the day when applying for the extension of stay. 4 – Update passbook at the bank on the same day as applying for the extension of stay and create a photocopy of the updated current account balance to give to Immigration. Also photocopy the front page of passbook showing your name and account number and any pages in between containing deposits and withdrawals for the past 12 months. 5 – A certified bank statement issued by the bank for the 12 month period starting from the date that the last 1 year extension was applied for. 6 – Photocopy of the first page of the passport and photocopies of all pages containing visas stamps and entry and exit stamps pertaining to the current visa. 7 - Copy of the current receipt from immigration for form TM.47 (90 day notification of residence address in Thailand). 8 - Copy of House Registration (if available) 9 – Copy Of Pink Government ID Card (if available) 10 – Hand drawn map showing directions to your residence. Originals Documents: 1 - Passport 2 – Bank Passbook

I went to the local Bangkok Bank branch where I opened the account. They could only give me a 6 month statement on the spot. I asked for two 6 month statements for the two different 6 month periods, but they told me their system doesn't allow them to enter a date older than 6 months. Cost is 100 Baht for the 6 month statement. A 12 month statement takes 3 business days to order from the head office at a cost of 200 Baht. You can download a 12 month statement from your Internet banking and it gets emailed to you instantly at no cost. But as we know, this kind of statement does not have a bank stamp on it and likely won't be accepted. I downloaded one and it looks identical to ones printed by the bank at the branch, just no stamp or signature.

By the way, if your 12 month statement only covers you up until say 4-5 days prior to the date of your application to extend your visa, then what will immigration expect you to do to cover the proof of balance for those 4-5 days in between?