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While I believe you, it does not make sense. Why do they have to cancel it when it has already expired? Boggles the mind.

I was talking about my experiences, not laws.

The last MOI interview was, I think, in Q4 2023. Your friend was lucky to have had the interview before that.

I've been to gay bars in Malaysia (in the 1990s) and Singapore (earlier this year with my husband in a one-bed room) and wasn't even aware that I was acting illegally in any way. All seemed to be relaxed.

Thank you very much about the clarification that the Thai law hasn't changed! I thought I would have heard it. No need to discuss Germany anymore, luckily.

That was fast: https://www.bva.bund.de/DE/Services/Buerger/Ausweis-Dokumente-Recht/Staatsangehoerigkeit/Beibehaltung/Beibehaltung_node.html Germans can now have multiple nationalities without having to apply for approval anymore. Good news!

No replies, so I guess it is not true that 5 years of PR are not required anymore. In order words, the requirement for 5 years of PR is still in place for applicants using the business route. As for the German question, I will check with the Bundesverwaltungsamt directly and report back here.

Thanks; it was a joke. I won't get married just for the citizenship.

Should I get married then? the applications based on business seem to be totally frozen now.

I was with a bunch of Germans last night before the football match, and a discussion about Thai citizenship came up. These rumours are floating around, and I wonder whether anyone can confirm or deny: 1.) According to a new regulation about acquiring Thai citizenship, 5 years PR is not required anymore if applying on basis of business. Only a work permit showing that you have worked here for 5 years is required. 2.) For Germans only: With the new citizenship law in Germany that started last week, Germans don't need to apply to keep the German nationality before getting the Thai nationality. Dual citizenship is now automatically and officially allowed. I have my doubts on both of these and am looking forward to comments. Thanks.

Me too, but I applied on grounds of business. So, the marriage track seems to be faster.

Thanks. So, the Minister has the power to revoke the citizenship if there is proof that the naturalised citizen still uses the former nationality. Hm, so now it goes from the letter of the law to the interpretations, the past practice or any court cases. I was hoping it says "uses the former nationality in Thailand", as this seems to be the actual practice. They don't care whether you use it outside of Thailand.

Thanks, this was exactly what I expected. It is rather vague and there is no definition. Any panic is baseless.

It's difficult to have a legal discussion with the translation of half a paragraph of the crucial (2). Can you post the full section 19 here, preferrably in Thai?

That is extremely fast. So you applied only in 2022?

I googled and didn't find any social studies confirming 72 genders. I found a lot of discussion websites such as Quora and Reddit. That doesn't mean anything. I still disagree. Stating that there are no transpeople show that you are not familiar with this part of society.

Got it. I didn't see that link before. I still disagree with it the author and the reviewer, both seemingly specialised in diabetes. As others already pointed out, major terms like transgender or pangender are missing, showing that these two MDs are no experts in the field. Even though the website says "medically reviewed" I do not see any review by an expert. No academic references are given. They reference this glossary: https://pflag.org/glossary/ which is academically not acceptable as a reference. However, it does mention pangender and transgender, so they didn't even read their own reference. So, I respectfully dismiss the article as non-academic. Do with that what you want; I for one don't give it any credibility.

What med news site? Is it credible or run by a random guy on the internet?

I agree with the link at Planned Parenthood. Especially that gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate issues that are often mixed up.

Yes, people who identify as the gender opposite to their body - their birth gender - are transgender, either a transman or a transwoman. I believe that you opinion comes from lack of experience with any transgender people. And you are right, they are not mentioned in the list. I take it the list is a satire.

Congratulations! How long did it take 1.) From your documents arriving at the MOI to the interview, and 2.) From the interview to yesterday?

True, they care more about profit than the cause. The culture in the US is way behind many other countries in tolerance and acceptance. I don't think that we should discourage other companies from promoting gay values even in that country, though. Keep encouraging them to show gay/lesbian couples, I say. Even if they do it only for the pink dollar, the more people see these couples, the more it becomes normal and nothing to get upset about.

Sorry, I disagree. Yes, the companies only go for the pink dollar and don't care too much about the content. On the other hand, they show LGBT+ couples, something that would have been impossible just a few decades ago. The more often the general public sees gay/lesbian couples, the more "normal" it will become to also see them on the streets, and young people are encouraged to come out. Let the companies do what they do, I say, as it does have a positive effect towards tolerance and acceptance.

In addition to what other's said: - Citizenship allows you to own your own company. Once the AEC Blueprint is implemented, you will also be able to own more than 50% of your company in certain other ASEAN countries. - You can buy the land on which your house stands. Or any other land in Thailand for that matter. - You can choose jobs that are forbidden for foreigners, such as becoming a motorcycle taxi driver. - You won't need a visa for Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Russia and other countries. - And of course, no more yearly hassle for the re-entry permit (pardon me, Non-Imm Visa and endorsement) which make the PR anything but permanent. This is admittedly more a pet peeve of mine than a real problem.

I've been waiting for the MOI interview since May 2019.