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Sprayed with water behind The Avenue heading to Soi Buakhao at 12:30 am. They were pretty busy along Pratumnak Road and 2nd Road at 10pm.

My assessment after being out on the motorcycle everyday since April 11 is that it seems more tame this year than in years past.

I agree tropo.

How quiet is Pattaya now especially Thappraya road and Pratumnak? Unreal compared to previous years.

OK, it will no doubt get worse but certainly significantly quieter.

Roll on 2mora

what happens then ?

Is this a cultural issue, farang vs. Thai? Or is this a class issue?

I think its a "leave your brains at home/in your trousers" issue, Tom - unless you're talking about the "class" of farang.

the gay scene in Thailand is full of people who will do almost anything for money and it's a warning to farang.

So Thais in the sex industry, gay or straight, are no better (and no worse) than their counterparts anywhere else in the world? Just sometimes better looking and better at their job? .... and farangs need to be warned about this?

Maybe you're right and they do .... but that's a reflection on the farangs, not the Thais.

" So Thais in the sex industry, gay or straight, are no better (and no worse) than their counterparts anywhere else in the world? ":

well bearing in mind if they are meant to be Buddhists moral precept number 4 of The Pancha Shila says " Avoid lying, or any hurtful speech."

so it kind of makes a mockery of everything because in this case he has failed badly on that one

My remarks were based solely on my own shock and horror that a foreigner can give something quite substantial like this

to someone and have done so with a genuinely good intent to try to help the individual and his family but is then treated with such

disrespect behind his back.not only that, the Thai person said words to the effect of I don't care what happens now I've got money.

This is a horrible and ugly trait that I have seen more than once in this country

Whether they remain together or have parted is irrelevant. If all that you claim is taking place BEHIND HIS BACK is actually happening, they can't be all that much together in any meaningful way. And, stressing that "a foreigner can give something quite substantial" ought to be irrelevant although it clearly suggests that in your mind a relationship should flourish if substantial financial exchanges take place.

Attempting to buy gratitude and love is more of a farang thing, if you want to discuss ugly traits. Certainly quite a number of farang come to Thailand because they figure they can exploit the economic disparity between themselves and some young Thai, whether male or female. Not the stuff of fairy tale romances or a platform from which to take the moral high ground. Your friend's good intentions seem unlikely to be all that altruistic or realistic if he's managed to generate such animosity.

You've certainly not mentioned anything about their personal relationship other than its Santa Claus nature. Apparently the real estate was the only thing of substance that actually existed between them if things have become so unpleasant.

I assume you posted this whole thing with the objective of generating some sympathy for the poor soul who's being talked about behind his back and to gain support for the notion that ugly traits abound in Thailand when it comes to saintly foreigners dispensing largesse only to be treated badly by the ungrateful natives. Your concern is quite touching and I'm sure your friend is quite lucky to have your support as you broadcast his personal circumstances on a web forum. I hope it's not being done BEHIND HIS BACK.

You are totally incorrect! Where have I said in my posts that things have become unpleasant between them? It's you that keeps falsely implying there is any hostility between them when they are together. in fact the foreigner seems totally oblivious to any lack of true feelings on the part of his Thai boyfriend and when they are together in public they do seem to show affection towards each other. It's only after the foreigner has gone and is out of sight that you see the other side of the Thai person's real nature.

And incidentally there is nothing wrong with me relaying this on at a web forum as you put it because I have not identified the people in question.

No I have written this because it somewhat confirms my belief that the gay scene in Thailand is full of people who will do almost anything for money and it's a warning to farang. You only have to look at the number of straight guys who work in the go go bars to see that and then laugh behind their backs when they go home to their girl friends and wives.

You have absolutely no grounds to even suggest that there was any element of exploitation in this case and knowing the foreigner involved I think he was simply trying to help someone he had feelings for to improve his position in life by setting him up in business which also involved the property. In return for doing this,at the very least the foreigner should expect courtesy and diplomacy on the part of his Thai boyfriend - at least to the extent that he should refrain from expressing his feelings in front of me!

To me it just emphasises how disingenuous this particular Thai person is and I simply question how many more out there think the same way he does?

It has frequently been said over on the 'straight side' of this forum that you should never bring, invest, loan, or give any funds in Thailand that you are not prepared to view as a gift or write off as an affordable loss.

Exactly. Once something is given to your friend, it becomes his.

The original message seems to be mixing up the emotional relationship issues with the real estate. It's sad that things didn't work out and, from the sound of it, have turned nasty, but if the farang's main concern is getting his fair share of the real estate, that may explain why the relationship was built on a shaky foundation in the first place.

If you give your friend something, it should be because you care about him/her and not in the hopes that you'll buy his/her unending devotion. If you think the only way you can hang onto him/her is by buying increasingly expensive things (that you'll desperately try to claw back if things go bust), then that's almost certainly going to be a lost cause.

Anytime I give something to my friend, it becomes his. I don't keep asking about it or continually fish for praise or lie awake wondering if my "investment" is benefiting me.

I've parted company with two friends over the years and always assume it could happen again, although I hope not, but I don't begrudge any of them anything they got out of the time we spent together. In each case it was because I did help them that they were able to become independent. We still talk on the phone from time to time and I consider them all good friends. In each case we both benefitted from the experience and I continue to wish them well.

no this is not the case at all. Both are still " together " although they don't seem to spend much time in each other's company.

There is no question of any party asking the other for anything back.

My remarks were based solely on my own shock and horror that a foreigner can give something quite substantial like this

to someone and have done so with a genuinely good intent to try to help the individual and his family but is then treated with such

disrespect behind his back.not only that, the Thai person said words to the effect of I don't care what happens now I've got money.

This is a horrible and ugly trait that I have seen more than once in this country

I am in Jomtien and have just watched about seven fire trucks plus a yellow hazmat truck tearing down

the road just past the junction withThepprasit.

FOODMART in Jomtien is a TOTAL RIPOFF

Box of cereal 285 baht same one in Friendhship 225 and in Villa 217 !

Another item in Foodmart 50 baht same one in Friendhship 40 and in Villa 37 !

It's impossible to do a price comparison of supermarkets based on a few odd items. I've found the best deals in town at Foodmart - they sometimes have great specials. I've also found the best prices in town on some items in Villa. I found milk cheaper in Villa than anywhere else.

You need to shop around.

I don't understand why the OP is so concerned about whether the staff act friendly or not. Even the friendly ones are only doing it for show anyway.

" It's impossible to do a price comparison of supermarkets based on a few odd items "

please explain why? this is not just a trivial price differential between supermarkets, this is a substantial

price gap on two items which I just happen to pick. There is no justification for their prices on these items?

Plus I found the staff there to be the worst bunch of miserable sourpusses of any supermarket in Pattaya

the farang actually lives here in Thailand full-time

I forgot to mention also I think is very mean on the part of the Thai is the farang

wanted to join his boyfriend at his home in Isan during Songkran whereupon

the Thai refused saying the farang boyfriend might be an embarrassment to his family and friends!

Can you believe this after buying the guy property and setting him up in business

he is treated this way? I think it stinks

I know someone who has purchased a business and even the real estate for the business

a few years ago which is obviously in the Thai persons name.

But now it is very much unrequited love on the part of the farang and the Thai person

even avoids spending time with this older lover whenever possible. Even worse

he ridicules the farang to other people which I think really shows how superficial

the whole thing is.at the very least you would think this kind of thing should be private

between the two parties but to regularly broadcast this matter in public

I think is in poor taste.

it is quite sad really.

Of course once the real estate if in their name there is no chance you are going to

get a fair settlement later down the track if things go sour.

I have to ask; was he sending the money without meeting these people and without seeing the place etc.?

It is easy enough to get scammed even when you LIVE here let alone sending money to people without a lawyer etc.

Having seen so many developers with exhibits at Central world-plaza I kept wondering if all these new condo

developments in Pattaya will really be successfully completed?

So I went to speak to a couple of them and asked how many are now depositing money they receive from

buyers into Escrow (following the introduction of the Escrow Act in Thailand (http://thailand-real...w-act-b-e-2551/ )

Apparently not one of them is doing this!

So evidently nobody has learnt a thing from the past. All these buyers are handing over money to developers who are simply using these funds to build the project but if something goes wrong or they fall short of their targets and the projects are cancelled they can lose every satang.

I predict there will be some spectacular losses

Having eaten in Sunrise once, sorry but never again. I have a major objection to places addind 10 plus 7 percent to the bill. Basically it it is a rip on the numerically deficient in the society --- and lets face it, there are many of these people. It's okay for me, I can calculate these numbers in my head, and can also afford it. Just a point of principle ---- does anybody remember principles.

Totally agree with you!

I found the place exceedingly poor value for money and the food was certainly nothing to write home about.

maybe they are worried about this reaching here just featured on BBC news today

Scientists have found new evidence that resistance to the front-line treatments for malaria is increasing.

They have confirmed that resistant strains of the malaria parasite on the border between Thailand and Burma, 500 miles (800km) away from previous sites.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17628172

Get your <deleted> off your barstools with your maudling resentments and look around at the world of big business.

get real! There is $25 trillion of excess debt in the world and all the so-called investment you have cited

couldn't be possible if governments everywhere were not printing funny money like it's going out of fashion.

there will be a spectacular bursting of the bubble sooner than later

Who is going to pay the pensions if there are no kids???????

this is where it all comes apart. Just having kids doesn't guarantee the system will survive?

Those kids have to be educated and able to work in jobs that are being competed for

around the globe. Looking at many of the kids today in the UK I don't have much hope of that.

If we don't have kids then the system is bound to fail...........why this is even being discussed is a mystery to me.

As for your second point..........I agree that competition is going to be hot, so we better educate the kids as best we can and give them a chance.

it's being discussed because you are wearing rose tinted glasses! Many of them don't even have the right attitude to learn and that

could even be the fault of the parents and breakdown of family values in UK.

Bottom line is you seem to think that just having kids will provide the means to generate income to pay the pensions.

A lot of the people won't even be able to support themselves let alone another generation of pensioners.

and a big chunk of them will not only find it had struggle themselves but they will more than likely

be holding their hands out for government support. face facts that the pension Ponzi scheme is over

Who is going to pay the pensions if there are no kids???????

this is where it all comes apart. Just having kids doesn't guarantee the system will survive?

Those kids have to be educated and able to work in jobs that are being competed for

around the globe. Looking at many of the kids today in the UK I don't have much hope of that.

it is interesting that many of the big apartment buildings along Sukhumvit Road

are owned by Indian families. Even President apartments is owned by Indians

but there are also many others such as orchid towers in soi 8.

One advantage in an apartment building is that you will get a quicker response

from the management to maintenance issues whereas in a condo building

the management may not always be able to obtain the desired result

from an uncooperative condominium owner.

The clip almost looks set up..but maybe just me. Also curious they are looking to find who posted the original Video on You Tube

that is exactly what I thought! For a start how come the camera person was focused on

this person for so long and then when he is going up the steps he knows the camera is

tracking him and why would that be?

I think inflation is worse than anyone is letting on.

An easily monitored example is where I get my ground coffee for 250 g

this time last year exactly it was 95 baht, then it increased to 105 baht about six months ago

and now they just increased it to 115. So 10 baht increase every six months.

The Thais need to take their head out of their arse and stop thinking they are better than others and learn to compete in the Asean market place.

Wasn't it last year that the goverment announced English was going to be the official second language and then a couple of days later withdrew the plan. " Because we don't want Thai people thinking they were once colonised by the British" Bloody pathetic and soon the chickens will come home to roost.

well said and one would have thought after they have declared themselves to be the " hub " of practically every

activity under the sun that they would have realised the importance of being able to communicate effectively in a language

other than their own a long time ago?

consider it from the bank's point of view.

I cannot see any reason why a bank should be interested in granting a personal unsecured loan to a foreigner?

why don't you investigate the possibility of the international company with who you have the contract

to help arrange a loan on your behalf?

It's a virus - try this solution.

thanks very much!

I think there should be a penalty in cyber law for creating viruses equivalent to grievous bodily harm!

I have a small hard disk unit that I purchased few years ago in Panthip Plaza Bangkok

with the name “ Blueghost Travelstar “and I have used this just for backing up data and

storing large files like photographs. I haven't used it very much at all during this period.

Today for the first time when I plugged it in all of theolder folders now appear only as shortcuts

and when I click them I get a message saying

“Windows cannot find ‘ H:\ RECYCLER\470a1245.exe.’ Make sure you typed the name correctly and then try again “.

The strange thing is i notice older e-mail and documents that were not within folders are all ok and appear

in normal format and I can open them ok.

Plus folders that I have created fairly recently within the last few months are also all ok and I can open them without any problem?

So does this mean I will never be able to enter the folders that have somehow mysteriously overnight now only

appear as “shortcuts”even though I haven't done anything for this to happen?

Most Walen teachers do have degrees and I have never written anywhere that they all had just finished high schools. We had those unfriendly people saying bad things about Walen for years with little or no negative impact on our business.

We offer demo lessons and everyone can try for themselves before they pay money. What Walen does works. We have thousands of happy customers and no matter how much we try we will not be able to please everyone and so be it. Two new schools are being built in Ko Samui and Chiang Rai and others are coming soon after so perhaps there are other schools that work for some but what we do works for majority of our students and they are wiling to pay for it. These are just facts.

are you able to answer please why in Chiang Mai it is not possible any longer

to get an education Visa if you are above 50 years old?

Apparently this rule does not apply anywhere else in Thailand.

No, depending on the number of days you would enter Thailand after getting the visa, you still might have a few days left. If you enter before the date the visa expires, you still get the full 60 days and also can extend it as usual with 30 days.

The visa expiry date is simply an enter before date.

so for example you have your 60 days and get your 30 day extension and say you leave the country after 26 days

during the extension period and re-enter Thailand on day 28 so then you get another 60 days which can be extended

one more time for 30 days. If this is correct?

A double entry toruist visa is normally valid for 6 months, meaning you must use both entries within 6 months of date of issue.

But some consulates, like Vientianne, only give a validity of 3 months, so than you only have 3 months from date of issueance to use both entries.

" you only have 3 months from date of issueance to use both entries."

I am confused about this?

I thought the first entry would give you up to 90 days assuming you obtain a 30 day extension.

So are you saying the second entry would then have expired?