klubex99

I have said before and will say again - odds on bet, he (the fugitive criminal) will never return, well not in the short term - no balls - far too many enemies just waiting for his return .......

Those enemies are growing by the day.

This is just the start of a potential social and civil melt-down. Wait till the senate has the bill in their hands, you can expect the demonstrations to grow rapidly.... Should the senate actually vote against the huge and obvious opposition to the amnesty bill, and actually vote it through, expect the situation to explode.

At the moment, the boiler is on the gas and the pressure is building, when the senate starts its debate, the gas is turned up. The only release valve is to go with the will of the people. Go against the will of the people.... It's anyone's guess what could happen.

When I said all this was happening in a different thread, I was told not to believe it.

But what I find truly appalling id this....

A highly placed source said former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra might decide it is time to break with the so-called progressive red shirts who oppose the lese majeste law as they have become a liability in the reconciliation process with the traditional elite.

The source also said Thaksin felt the relatives of those killed in 2010 had already received Bt7.5 million each and some red-shirt co-leaders had become MPs or been appointed to other government positions.

After all the support they had for him, now he thinks it maybe time to turn his back on them. Now their eyes have been well and truly opened to this monster. But the second paragraph beggars belief. Basically you been paid, and parachuted into cushy positions.... you been paid... we're even.

I don't know how many times one person can shoot themselves in the foot. Does he actually have any feet left?

This weasel seems to be making all the wrong moves... who the hell is advising him? Is he going senile or something?

whoever is advising him, i beg that they stay the course until he shoots himself somewhere more terminal than his foot

Well.... up till yesterday, I had always been convinced that Thaksin was guiding Yingluck word for word as the puppet master. But now I am thinking that maybe it is the other way round and Yingluck is pulling Thaksin's strings.

Hey..... It would make a lot more sense.

"I have instructed relevant authorities to ensure the protesters' safety as well as to avoid clashes and other violent incidents," she said.

I wonder if the Dems are considering extending this the same way they Reds did in 2010. I wonder what would happen then once the 1st protestor is killed. I wonder if we'd then also see the lovely PM sitting in the dock next to Abhisit et all facing charges?

Goose . . . gander . . . learn from the past guys.

No, because they would have to edit the bill again to extend the date past August 8th to include Yingluk's whitewash.

All politicians in Thailand are from a "privileged class" .... people that steal from voters.

Thaksin is no different .... and anyone who doesn't understand that is a fool.

As someone else said he is only concerned with his own self interest first and foremost.

What I can't understand is why apparently western educated farangs (which are by far the minority) are so pro-Thaksin to the death almost and stand against anyone whom speak out against the scoundrel. (by far the vast majority).

Regardless of what level of intellect the majority farangs have, they are by far much more intelligent than the average Thai in the street, and way more well educated than the average Thai Thaksin supporter.

The only conclusion is that they came to Thailand and ended up making it their home after meeting an isaan girl in a bar and marrying her, or equally met a farm girl on an internet dating site. Then in the good old fashion, ended up being brainwashed by said girl and her family in the sticks.

You know.... A bit like, 'I support Man Utd because my dad supports Man Utd, even though neither of us have been to Manchester and we live in Ipswich'.

Another word for it.... 'sheeple'.

Wow ! Thanks so much for your input.

On many occasions I too have been wondering about the level of intelligence and intellect of the farangs in Thailand, especially when reading some of the posts on this forum.

But now that I read your highly interesting post, I stand totally reassured that the farangs are indeed an intelligent specie. All my doubts have been brushed aside

I must admit that I never noticed that, as you say, "farangs are by far much more intelligent than the average Thai in the street". It's hardly noticeable but, since you seem quite sure about it, you could be right, who knows

Thank you so much for this enlightenment. From now on I will never say anything bad about the farang community in Thailand anymore. Even those who support military coups and crackdowns. Promised !!!

I just hope that no yellows or Dems' supporter married an isaan girl (naaaa, could no be any, they are far too intelligent).

I also hope that no Thai drops by this thread and read your post...

Sent from my iPhone...

My wife did.

She is Thai, educated and democrat.

Anyway, would love to stay and debate some more, but have a family hi-so wedding to attend with lots of very rich and influential people including democrat party people from City Hall. I expect we will be getting our food and drink served by the pro-Thaksin underclass..... sigh.

All politicians in Thailand are from a "privileged class" .... people that steal from voters.

Thaksin is no different .... and anyone who doesn't understand that is a fool.

As someone else said he is only concerned with his own self interest first and foremost.

What I can't understand is why apparently western educated farangs (which are by far the minority) are so pro-Thaksin to the death almost and stand against anyone whom speak out against the scoundrel. (by far the vast majority).

Regardless of what level of intellect the majority farangs have, they are by far much more intelligent than the average Thai in the street, and way more well educated than the average Thai Thaksin supporter.

The only conclusion is that they came to Thailand and ended up making it their home after meeting an isaan girl in a bar and marrying her, or equally met a farm girl on an internet dating site. Then in the good old fashion, ended up being brainwashed by said girl and her family in the sticks.

You know.... A bit like, 'I support Man Utd because my dad supports Man Utd, even though neither of us have been to Manchester and we live in Ipswich'.

Another word for it.... 'sheeple'.

That's one conclusion. Easy to understand why so many western educated farangs (your words not mine) support Thaksin.... they can bask in the glory of the "I told you so and now I am one of them" even though they are irrelevant. They feel the need to have a cause. Like the skinheads of the 1970's...no real purpose but were able to walk talk and breathe.

The quote" the majority farangs have, they are by far much more intelligent than the average Thai in the street" I find deeply offensive and racist.

"The only conclusion is that they came to Thailand and ended up making it their home after meeting an Issan girl in a bar and marrying her".

Similarly this is offensive. My (beautiful (in my opinion) (Issan)) wife has a degree in Science and apart from that is well versed in politics nationally and internationally. Please refrain from making these broad brush comments from your barstool in Bangkok/Pattaya.

Thais are not a race, and neither are isaan farm girls.

Very true . The current government were elected by the majority of the people and this majority were from poor and under developed areas who gave their support for less than thirty pieces of silver and allowed for these elected officials to syphon off huge sums of government money for their personal gain. They were simply used and disgarded owing to their myopic viewpoint and lack of insight and education.

nearly right...but they werent elected by the majority..of the poeople...only a majority of the vote...otherwise your spot on sir.....

No. They didn't get a majority of the vote, only 48%. What they managed to do was get the majority of the seats in parliament.

And that is Democracy.

Didn't see you complaining about abhisit and his coalition buying enough votes to form a government with the aid of the military http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Democrat-govt-a-shotgun-wedding--30090626.html

You going to tell one of the oldest contemporary continuously running democracies in the world, the UK, that they got it all wrong?

You don't understand democracy then do you, if that is what you say democracy is.

It is not just based on a voting system.

Look it up in wikipedia, then come back.

All politicians in Thailand are from a "privileged class" .... people that steal from voters.

Thaksin is no different .... and anyone who doesn't understand that is a fool.

As someone else said he is only concerned with his own self interest first and foremost.

What I can't understand is why apparently western educated farangs (which are by far the minority) are so pro-Thaksin to the death almost and stand against anyone whom speak out against the scoundrel. (by far the vast majority).

Regardless of what level of intellect the majority farangs have, they are by far much more intelligent than the average Thai in the street, and way more well educated than the average Thai Thaksin supporter.

The only conclusion is that they came to Thailand and ended up making it their home after meeting an isaan girl in a bar and marrying her, or equally met a farm girl on an internet dating site. Then in the good old fashion, ended up being brainwashed by said girl and her family in the sticks.

You know.... A bit like, 'I support Man Utd because my dad supports Man Utd, even though neither of us have been to Manchester and we live in Ipswich'.

Another word for it.... 'sheeple'.

One good thing about this Amnesty bill is that a lot Red Shirts will be leaving all support they had for Thaksin and will be joining the protesters against Amnesty.

Would like to see a poll on the popularity of the PTP after all this betrayal.

I agree.

It will be through the floor. Let's see if Yinguck will want a snap election after this. What with all this drama, and the economy and inflation etc....

On a purely personal note is anything likely to kick off before next Friday (8th)? I don't mind being stuck in-country for a while (I was the last time they had fun) but I'd like to arrive before they start if possible.

It says on the BBC website that it could all be finalized as soon as next week.

You live in Thailand?

Western ideals. Surely you know that ain't going to happen

A way off yet.

The dems will protest over everything ad nauseam from now.

They didn't vote against this amnesty they walked out.

Come an election will they boycott it like before?

They are above everyone.

Yes I live in Thailand.

Western Ideals?? Democracy is an international system. Nothing to do with western ideals. If a country embraces democracy, it is expected to at least honour the basic foundation of democracy.

Sounds to me that your dislike for the democrats is over-riding your judgement. If democrats refuse to be part of something glaringly undemocratic, then by my book, that is fair enough. Or they wouldn't be seen to be a very democratic democrat party.... would they?

The amnesty bill originally was intended to get those imprisoned on charges of unlawfull assembly etc and not for using violence, to get them released through a general amnesty that would also include the few yellow shirts similarly detained.

There was no amnesty for those who orchestrated, prepetrated and directed violence.

Now the amnesty proposes going back to the coup appointed groups like the Asset scrutiny committee set up by members of the PAD and for those highly politically charged prosecutions to be set aside or re-investigated.

I'm not sure if I have that right but I would agree with that course of action.

Yes that could lead to Thaksin's return but if there are further serious prosecutions waiting for his return surely they should then proceed as they must pertain to BEFORE the coup.

The coup leaders have given themselves immunity already.

I don't see any complaints from the Dems or on Thaivisa actually.

The bickering must end. The country needs to move on.

The amnesty bill is a blanket amnesty that cover all those who committed offenses during the political turmoil between 2006 and 2013.

Having said that, on a side point. If Thaksin does get to come home, then wouldn't he still have to face other charges hanging over him that are not connected to the whitewashing bill?

Such as

Absconding from court.

Breech of bail conditions.

The land deal scandal

Surely these are not offenses connected to the amnesty bill.

Also, isn't it in the constitution that any convicted felon can not apply to be elected as an MP let alone Prime Minister?

If this is the case, then Thaksin will have to continue to run the PTP via skype.

I think it's pretty clear to everyone what the Dems plan is.

Right now in Ban Saphan you have rubber protestors bussed in from the deep south disrupting local and regional communities.

We used to call these "Flying pickets." Not from these parts.

The up coming Preah hindu temple decision is likely to infuriate the right wing nationalist groups. Expect these groups to enter stage right shortly.

We've seen a group "spontaneously" created out of hospital staff but that includes "Mad" Dr Tul, you know the guy Nick Nostitz described as attempting to lynch some red shirts his followers had corralled.

Expect more good intentioned "groups" to appear. A crude parody of trade union marches.

Suthep made us all aware of his plans for Surat Thani.

Will that include a blockade of Samui and Phuket airports again?

Throughout Dem controlled areas there are to be sit-ins, occupations.

This is not spontaneous.

This is orchestrated and I believe it will all fail.

Otherwise the next likely scenario will be the americans breathing down their necks for another election within a year like after the last coup which Pheu Thai or whatever they are

calling themselves will win hands down.

Still the coup constitution will remain then intact no doubt further strengthened with mass arrests of red shirts and Pheu Thai MPs.

In short the country will remain as it did after the last coup at a standstill or worse and all the divisions further hardened.

It looks to me that the Dems have been bamboozled.

Time will tell.

It may be fun and games to many on Thaivisa but there still remains the remote possibility, worst case scenario, of armed struggle.

Nope... The PTP did not win the election after the last coup. It was the People's Power Party (Pro-Thaksin) in 2007. They were then thrown out by the constitutional court and banned as a party a year later and the Dems were put into power. Should there actually be another coup they are hardly going to remove the PTP and hold an election just so that the non educates from the countryside can vote them straight back in. It don't work like that.

The Democrats consistently walk out of Parliamentary debates if they disagree with what is being mooted. They are not refused the right to speak they are deliberately abstaining from voting because they know that they will lose the vote

Thaksin is an unfortunate distraction in this attempt by Pheu Thai to draw a line under the unfortunate events of the past few years.

Yellow shirts have killed people, Red shirts have killed people, members of the political parties and the security forces have often been complicit in the deaths. But the only way forward in my view is a period of forgiveness and reconciliation such as we witnessed in South Africa following the end of apartheid

I have just watched one of the leaders of the Democratic party on YouTube ranting and raving and fermenting violence. He reminded me of Adolph Hitler addressing a Nuremberg Rally. So puffed up is he with his own importance he cannot comprehend that his warlike rhetoric and bile may well cost the lives of yet more, often innocent, citizens

In saying all this now is clearly not the right moment for Mr Thaksin to return to Thailand. Memories must be allowed to dim further.

What Thailand needs at this time is a benevolent dictator. Thais are like the Egyptians. They are not ready for democracy

Erm.... why do we need a period of forgiveness? That doesn't make things better because many are not willing to forgive and is why we have this uproar at the moment.... isn't it?

What we need is a period of non-corrupt, non-manipulative and fair justice for all. If any member of my family died, no matter from what side of the fence, I would not forgive, I would want justice.

All you are promoting is a lame and lazy cop out.

You live in Thailand?

Western ideals. Surely you know that ain't going to happen

A way off yet.

The dems will protest over everything ad nauseam from now.

They didn't vote against this amnesty they walked out.

Come an election will they boycott it like before?

They are above everyone.

Yes I live in Thailand.

Western Ideals?? Democracy is an international system. Nothing to do with western ideals. If a country embraces democracy, it is expected to at least honour the basic foundation of democracy.

Sounds to me that your dislike for the democrats is over-riding your judgement. If democrats refuse to be part of something glaringly undemocratic, then by my book, that is fair enough. Or they wouldn't be seen to be a very democratic democrat party.... would they?

The Thais on the web boards and facebook are up in arms over this blanket whitewash.

The biggest contributions are being made by red shirts.

My wife is flicking through them and showing me all the anti-Thaksin rants and smears that are now coming out from the red corner. They seem to be really turning against Thaksin now.

The sentiment seems to be spreading like wild fire across the red camp.

This is now proof positive that probably the entire population is against it. This is not going to go away or fizzle out, it is on the increase and when a whole population becomes angered, then there can really only be one outcome.

Don't believe those red shirts are turning against Thaksin ever. Their only issue is that if they want to whitewash Thaksin, which they want, is that they have to forgive Abhisit and Suthep.

Keep in mind that they are for the majority uneducated people and have no idea how a constitution works.

Take a trip to Thaksin's facebook page.

One person posted

'Thaksin, I always loved you, but now I hate you'.

Another posted 'shit' in Thai and with a macro image of a turd made up from the word shit.

Basically the missus was hunting down anti Thaksin sentiment exclusively from red shirt sources. I am fully aware of why the reds are opposed to the bill. But they appear to have more hate for that bill that they have love for Thaksin.

I don't want to say you're wrong, and i also don't want to go look on FB since I hate that social network even more than Thaksin, but can you give us some estimates about how many people posted comments like that on his page compared with the likes or positive comments he got after the bill was approved ?

Not really. I don't read Thai and the missus is in bed now.

The Thais on the web boards and facebook are up in arms over this blanket whitewash.

The biggest contributions are being made by red shirts.

My wife is flicking through them and showing me all the anti-Thaksin rants and smears that are now coming out from the red corner. They seem to be really turning against Thaksin now.

The sentiment seems to be spreading like wild fire across the red camp.

This is now proof positive that probably the entire population is against it. This is not going to go away or fizzle out, it is on the increase and when a whole population becomes angered, then there can really only be one outcome.

Don't believe those red shirts are turning against Thaksin ever. Their only issue is that if they want to whitewash Thaksin, which they want, is that they have to forgive Abhisit and Suthep.

Keep in mind that they are for the majority uneducated people and have no idea how a constitution works.

Take a trip to Thaksin's facebook page.

One person posted

'Thaksin, I always loved you, but now I hate you'.

Another posted 'shit' in Thai and with a macro image of a turd made up from the word shit.

Basically the missus was hunting down anti Thaksin sentiment exclusively from red shirt sources. I am fully aware of why the reds are opposed to the bill. But they appear to have more hate for that bill that they have love for Thaksin.

The Thais on the web boards and facebook are up in arms over this blanket whitewash.

The biggest contributions are being made by red shirts.

My wife is flicking through them and showing me all the anti-Thaksin rants and smears that are now coming out from the red corner. They seem to be really turning against Thaksin now.

The sentiment seems to be spreading like wild fire across the red camp.

This is now proof positive that probably the entire population is against it. This is not going to go away or fizzle out, it is on the increase and when a whole population becomes angered, then there can really only be one outcome.

The Democrats consistently walk out of Parliamentary debates if they disagree with what is being mooted. They are not refused the right to speak they are deliberately abstaining from voting because they know that they will lose the vote

Thaksin is an unfortunate distraction in this attempt by Pheu Thai to draw a line under the unfortunate events of the past few years.

Yellow shirts have killed people, Red shirts have killed people, members of the political parties and the security forces have often been complicit in the deaths. But the only way forward in my view is a period of forgiveness and reconciliation such as we witnessed in South Africa following the end of apartheid

I have just watched one of the leaders of the Democratic party on YouTube ranting and raving and fermenting violence. He reminded me of Adolph Hitler addressing a Nuremberg Rally. So puffed up is he with his own importance he cannot comprehend that his warlike rhetoric and bile may well cost the lives of yet more, often innocent, citizens

In saying all this now is clearly not the right moment for Mr Thaksin to return to Thailand. Memories must be allowed to dim further.

What Thailand needs at this time is a benevolent dictator. Thais are like the Egyptians. They are not ready for democracy

Erm.... why do we need a period of forgiveness? That doesn't make things better because many are not willing to forgive and is why we have this uproar at the moment.... isn't it?

What we need is a period of non-corrupt, non-manipulative and fair justice for all. If any member of my family died, no matter from what side of the fence, I would not forgive, I would want justice.

All you are promoting is a lame and lazy cop out.

Oh, now they are supposed to represent their constituents. That part of the link between candidate and electorate is conveniently dismissed when you try and justify the election of abhisit to PM. When the Friends of Newin disregarded the parties that their constituents favoured and crossed over to form a coalition with the opposition democrat party. I'll keep that in mind.

Who says that the MPs that voted for Abhisit as PM weren't representing their electorate?

In this case, Korkaew knows that his constituents are against the amnesty but is voting for it "because the majority of PTP are voting for it".

I can't believe it. fab4 must have received his education at the red shirt school for democracy. Only people that went to that school can believe that the PTP votes for what their constituents want.

Why even have a vote when you are ordered to vote one way and one way only. I bet he graduated with honors.

He obviously has no idea of what democracy really is. This is really ridicules a dictatorship where the dictator refuses to live in the country he prefers to rule from out side it. He won't even come close to it. Remember the canceled speech in Myanmar right next door to Mai Sai a stronghold of his red shirted goons. He was afraid of assassination there. I can only imagine his fear in Bangkok.

Great post.

I agree, all this upheaval all for one guy to return home, and yet surely he is educated enough to know that his life is at risk the moment he enters the kingdom, and should there be a coup in the future...... he will be the first to be detained, and Yingluck may well be joining him as a co-conspirator.

Kokaew says he voted for amnesty bill because he respects majority's decision

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Kokaew Pikulthong has defended his decision in backing the amnesty bill, saying he had to respect the majority decision of party MPs.

Kokaew posted a message on his Facebook wall that he weighed the pros and cons and made a decision at just 3 am Friday morning before the voting on Article 3.

The article 3 seeks to grant blanket amnesty to all sides.

Kokaew said in the message that he felt very painful to vote for the article in the second reading and for the bill in the third reading but he had to respect the decision of the party.

He said red-shirt people, who became disillusion in him, can scold him anyway they like.

-- The Nation 2013-11-01

Does he ever read the newspapers or watch the news?

If he wants to respect the majority, all he needs to do is look out the window and see exactly what the 'true' majority.... the 'people' want. Not the majority of corrupt politicians under the control of one exiled criminal.

You really couldn't make this up.

Let me correct that for you son.

Not the majority of corrupt politicians under the control of one exiled fugitive criminal .

Thank you sir

My dear fabby, we're talking about UDD leader and Pheu Thai party list MP Korkaew here. No constituency involved, just a 'nice' person charged for various crimes, enjoying parliamentary immunity and voting for his own amnesty. Even if we were to disregard the MP / politics, a UDD leader has voted FOR the amnesty which include the daemonised 'kill me some' Abhisit. Amazing, just iike the May 19th "it's over, go home", surrender to police and fellow protesters still fighting gunbattles.

Kokaew says he voted for amnesty bill because he respects majority's decision

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Kokaew Pikulthong has defended his decision in backing the amnesty bill, saying he had to respect the majority decision of party MPs.

Kokaew posted a message on his Facebook wall that he weighed the pros and cons and made a decision at just 3 am Friday morning before the voting on Article 3.

The article 3 seeks to grant blanket amnesty to all sides.

Kokaew said in the message that he felt very painful to vote for the article in the second reading and for the bill in the third reading but he had to respect the decision of the party.

He said red-shirt people, who became disillusion in him, can scold him anyway they like.

-- The Nation 2013-11-01

He is supposed to be representing his constituents, not the other MPs.

Oh, now they are supposed to represent their constituents. That part of the link between candidate and electorate is conveniently dismissed when you try and justify the election of abhisit to PM. When the Friends of Newin disregarded the parties that their constituents favoured and crossed over to form a coalition with the opposition democrat party. I'll keep that in mind.

I shouldn't rise to Fab4 and his insane postings on here.

Everyone knows he sank within his second post, and has been floundering and clutching at straws ever since. He makes absolutely no sense and I now don't even skim his responses, I just scroll past each one.

Kokaew says he voted for amnesty bill because he respects majority's decision

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Kokaew Pikulthong has defended his decision in backing the amnesty bill, saying he had to respect the majority decision of party MPs.

Kokaew posted a message on his Facebook wall that he weighed the pros and cons and made a decision at just 3 am Friday morning before the voting on Article 3.

The article 3 seeks to grant blanket amnesty to all sides.

Kokaew said in the message that he felt very painful to vote for the article in the second reading and for the bill in the third reading but he had to respect the decision of the party.

He said red-shirt people, who became disillusion in him, can scold him anyway they like.

-- The Nation 2013-11-01

Does he ever read the newspapers or watch the news?

If he wants to respect the majority, all he needs to do is look out the window and see exactly what the 'true' majority.... the 'people' want. Not the majority of corrupt politicians under the control of one exiled criminal.

You really couldn't make this up.

Copy and paste from yesterday with a different title.