BruceSmith

I'm with JLCrab on this one, applying for a Non-Imm B with an "invitation" from the Thai company (provided that you don't have stake in said Thai company) in farangland should suffice.

Should..... but not necessarily. And not really when here.

The trouble is that one law suggests one thing and another contradicts, nothing clarified.

The actual law depends on the day of the week, temperature, mood of the judge and whether a black cat crossed your path earlier in the morning.

After the tsunami volunteers cleaning up were reminded to obtain the work permits they required but were not eligible for. Dont know of any locked up but that was the law that immigration were stating....

A director not doing any actual work but simply signing any papers requires a work permit.

A temporary visitor doing anything for a company requires a work permit. Easy to obtain 15 day temp permits are issued for this purpose.

A bar owner who never does anything but is sitting drinking and talking to customers, requires a work permit.

So many discussions like this where people keep asking until they hear the answer they like...then happy that its all as they want.

Work is work and needs a WP. End of story. Doesnt mean thousands dont get away without them with no issues. Lots do. But if the sh!t hits the fan you will suffer, unless your friends are bigger than your enemies.

If you are not visibly working and fine to bend the rules, stay under the radar, but dont claim its legal.

The problem is not that I am waiting for the answer I want.

I definitely want the "correct" answer - simply to stay out of trouble.

My reasoning is:

I am a customer and therefore think I have certain rights

I wish to ascertain I am in fact receiving products containing my specifications in the manner I feel correct and diligent.

The problem here is I can in no way get my head around the fact that this can be construed as "work".

Calling due diligence by a customer work is making a problem, not solving one, again IMHO.

If your version of this is the correct, Thailand may not be worth the hassle.

The world including the rest of S-E Asia is full of alternatives.

BS

My answer would be: If both the company (not individual) ex-Thailand issuing the contract and the sub-contractor in Thailand are both entities of reasonable substance, and the presence of the employee of the company ex-Thailand while in The Kingdom is only to oversee the contract and assure that the terms of the contract and any interim deliverables are being properly met and on schedule, then that would be the normally expected involvement of the client in any possibly complex contract and would not require a work permit per the terms of the 'B' visa as described above.

I'm with JLCrab on this one, applying for a Non-Imm B with an "invitation" from the Thai company (provided that you don't have stake in said Thai company) in farangland should suffice.

I agree with your opinions. They would seem fair anywhere.

Thanks

BS

On second thought

If Thai authorities do not agree, what consequences could/would I be looking at?

- Fines

- Incarceration

- Litigation

- Deportation

-“Donations” to every man and his dog

??

BS

Learn how to use it properly and it is fine.

A bad workman blames his tools.

I agree,

could it be because a good workman chooses good tools?

BS

My answer would be: If both the company (not individual) ex-Thailand issuing the contract and the sub-contractor in Thailand are both entities of reasonable substance, and the presence of the employee of the company ex-Thailand while in The Kingdom is only to oversee the contract and assure that the terms of the contract and any interim deliverables are being properly met and on schedule, then that would be the normally expected involvement of the client in any possibly complex contract and would not require a work permit per the terms of the 'B' visa as described above.

I'm with JLCrab on this one, applying for a Non-Imm B with an "invitation" from the Thai company (provided that you don't have stake in said Thai company) in farangland should suffice.

I agree with your opinions. They would seem fair anywhere.

Thanks

BS

I would say to Bruce that, if he or his company is actually buying services with contracts and receipts from a company in Thailand, then his minimal supervision of said contracts would be within the normal 'wear & tear' of doing business and would qualify under the 'B' 2.1(2) as described with documentation provided as required by the embassy/consulate in particular and as such would not require a work permit.

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/123/15388-Non-Immigrant-Visa-%22B%22-%28for-Business-and.html

Now we're getting close to a solution that I could embrace.

I want to keep everything as simple as possible.

The least amount of direct investment/employment/exposure; financial and legal - ( not to mention all of the other "Phi" that go bump in the night, when it comes to business workings across borders).

On the average, I would not be able to be in Thailand more than a total of 6 months each year, consisting of perhaps 2-6 week intervals.

A straight forward business visa without a wp

- Possible?

BS

Maybe I've just been unlucky in Thailand, but the students I've taught here are some of the laziest, most undisciplined people I've ever met in my life. I feel like just about anywhere else would be an improvement

I'm not a teacher, but, isn't it teacher's job to motivate the pupils? If they don't inspire, has teacher failed or the pupil?

Alchemists tried turning lead into gold - did they ever succeed?

BS

Sorry for logging off after asking my question, but by then it was in the middle of the night.

I have permanent residency inside the eu/eea and I am a us Citizen.

I think there are a number of services that can be outsourced from the eu/eea to Thailand in a way that would be profitable for all parties involved.

For this to work, I or someone else purchasing these outsourced services would have to have a hands-on interaction at least to start with - herein lies my

question:

How to go about this inn a legitimate manner?

Thank you so far for your feedback

BS

PS Would it be an idea to post this as a new, separate thread?

BS

Hands on interaction/supervision within Thailand will certainly require a Work Permit.

Would you be purchasing these services working with your employer outside of Thailand? In this case you would for example need to form a Branch Office and have a Work Permit, or identify a Thai partner company to employ you and provide a Work permit.

If you want to form a company then it could be based in Thailand, it would require majority Thai ownership and you would need a Work Permit.

You would also need to be aware as to those occupations that are reserved for Thais alone as there are certain functions within companies than non Thai cannot legally perform.

Tanks DCM,

I see I may be stumbling into a labyrinth loaded with bobby traps.

I was hoping that the "hands on/supervision" would be considered the normal doings of a customer who was making sure that he received the right product at the right time, before handing over any money.

But then again, this is where catch-22 probably comes into play….

BS

The best answer I have ever seen to this question is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/641477-is-wp-needed-for-online-work/page-2#entry6438172

The truth is that in the context of Thai Labour law, no one can define "work". Not a Labour department Officer, not the Minister of Labour, not the Prime Minister of Thailand. The definition of work is all encompassing so the law can be and is applied selectively.

The best you can hope for are educated opinions. You will get some of those here but even they will vary from one extreme to the other.

Sorry, that's just the reality.

Tanks D,

I see your point about educated opinions.

After reading the thread you linked to in your reply, I get the feeling Thailand modeled their definition of work after Joseph Hellers book Catch 22.

BS

A business taveler is by definiton not stationed in Thailand, but rather visits Thailand from time to time for business meetings.

(Semi) Permanent stay in Thailand will require to set up a Thai branch and a work permit.

Where does the definition change status (semi-permanent / permanent)? Let’s say I predominantly purchase services; be they legal, manual, or other. At the same time I need to supervise the ongoing work and check the result before I accept the solution/delivery, and subsequently ok the billing.

Do you have any advice and/or anyone else know the correct way of doing this?

Hope this is not considered high jacking the tread, as it appears to me to be in the same vein.

Appreciate any and all advice, suggestions, ideas....you name it.

where do you live ?

Per above, things as where do you live are a good indicator. Particularly if you are considered a resident for tax reasons. other things can be like do you stay at a hotel or at your own condo, the latter suggesting a permanent adress.

But the law and rules are a bit vague to this, so no clear answer can be gotten.

Sorry for logging off after asking my question, but by then it was in the middle of the night.

I have permanent residency inside the eu/eea and I am a us Citizen.

I think there are a number of services that can be outsourced from the eu/eea to Thailand in a way that would be profitable for all parties involved.

For this to work, I or someone else purchasing these outsourced services would have to have a hands-on interaction at least to start with - herein lies my

question:

How to go about this inn a legitimate manner?

Thank you so far for your feedback

BS

PS Would it be an idea to post this as a new, separate thread?

BS

My personal opinion is that after a decade of shy but gay people coming out of their closets, we are now observering a new decadent decade of shy people going back into their closets.

BTW I am looking for a Nobel prise - FYI

It contains absolutly everything you need - for the rest of your life - if you prefere a short life.

Bottoms up - chock dee

A business taveler is by definiton not stationed in Thailand, but rather visits Thailand from time to time for business meetings.

(Semi) Permanent stay in Thailand will require to set up a Thai branch and a work permit.

Where does the definition change status (semi-permanent / permanent)? Let’s say I predominantly purchase services; be they legal, manual, or other. At the same time I need to supervise the ongoing work and check the result before I accept the solution/delivery, and subsequently ok the billing.

Do you have any advice and/or anyone else know the correct way of doing this?

Hope this is not considered high jacking the tread, as it appears to me to be in the same vein.

Appreciate any and all advice, suggestions, ideas....you name it.

This is an awfully over-complicated thread. Is the True shop a long, long way away then?

I agree, but PLEASE first try hitting it with a rubber mallot, thereafter submersing it in a tub of liquid of your choice. Hold Your breath for 60 Seconds - no more - no less and then, call someone, maybe True, but not me.

The music police are scam artists.

It doesn't matter what regulations you comply with, they will still ask for money.

The "music police" did Mae Rim last month.

Why not open now, but don't play music or TV.

The music police may be scam artists, but the licence for playing music is for real.

I didn't read all of the other answers before posting.......

At least it didn't collapse like they do in India

Not yet

Send in the ThaiVisa brigade!

HOW OLD ARE YOU?

Phuket days are numbered! there much safer places in the world, for a vacation!

Why not try Tel Aviv, Basra, Kabul or maybe Detroit for that matter.

Thugs think like thugs, destroying homes and properties just makes it harder for the person to repay, a smart thug would say,no problem skip 2 payments i add 500B for every day skipped...very sure payment would resume, secondly.why damage the motorbikes? rather take them with you and hold them as collateral in case of default, any way, i am not a thug,so just guessing here.

"i am not a thug,so just guessing here."

You seem to have the potensial - ?

I'm curious, where do you live?

Air mattress - is that slang for stewardess?

Maybe they miss u too mut

I'm sure the billions of tourists coming to Thailand enjoy rude staff and poor service. T.A.T. will spin this one as usual.

Yup, they'll say that tourists love coming here to be abused.

By "here" do you mean TV?

Bring plenty of money and plenty of condums, that way you will do just fine, whatever you decide to do or wherever you og.

Bon voyage

Well, as you seen to have at least one picture, you could always have a yankee

Its the same as a quickie, but you do it alone......