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On 6/29/2021 at 9:00 AM, Jingthing said:

If I get access to ANYTHING before they might actually deliver on this, I'm prepared to throw the money away as well. It's better to have something earlier than better later. The money involved in this is trivial compared to experiencing a severe case of Covid-19. The lesser brands appear to offer protection against severe cases (but less protection from getting infected).

True, but it might be even better to have something sooner and something later. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3

14 hours ago, Wiggy said:

Why don’t they team up with a company and produce it locally? It would be more efficient, and cheaper. Even a government full of halfwits could sort that out. Oh wait……

Might not be cheaper. Listen to Ed Carr on the 'The Jab', the Economist's podcast, arguing that local production might slow down distribution in the short term. 

20 hours ago, Mavideol said:

555 ....maybe one of the many reasons to keep the BATH over valuated, it makes it easy to buy foreign vaccines   555

Don't you mean the BATH overflowing?

4 hours ago, dsj said:

Here's one website that I went to register successfully, but don't have appointment yet as they don't have the Vaccine yet. It's in Thai and English and you can use your passport or Thai ID card.
https://vaccinecovid19.cra.ac.th/VaccineCOVID19Content/content/home

I believe this is for the Sinopharm vaccine

Actually it looks OK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinopharm_BBIBP-CorV_COVID-19_vaccine.

4 hours ago, fdsa said:

I want to get vaccinated too. Does anyone know where I could purchase a Moderna or Pfizer vaccine?

There have been plenty of threads on this topic. Bottom line: you'll probably have to wait until the fourth quarter of the year. 

13 minutes ago, ABCbangkok said:

For 2019, Wikipedia says pop. for Phuket Province was 416k. 70% would be 291k.

 

The entire pop. of Thailand is 70m. The 1/2 vaccinated Phuket Thais, the 70%, represent 0.004% of the country.

 

So anyone with half a brain can clearly see the rollout has not been slow. It’s been glacial. 

 

 

00.004 or 0.4% or 4 in a thousand.

5 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

If this means they have all just had 1st dose of sinovac, they will need to keep going until 70% have had 2nd dose. Sinovac not that great until 2nd dose

And in the meantime, it will be interesting to see whether there is a spike following the crowded assembly in the vaccinatorium. 

38 minutes ago, placnx said:

Please consider that if a lot of people continue to get infected, though not getting very sick, they will probably pass the virus on to others, the same variant or maybe a new mutation that could be more infectious. So ultimately we should aim at using vaccines the block transmission as much as possible.

Without question.

7 hours ago, sagra said:

It’s quite true. “Two doses of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine were found to have only a 10.4% efficacy against mild-to-moderate infections caused by the B.1.351 South Africa variant, according to a phase 1b-2 clinical trial published on Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. This is a cause for grave concern as the South African variants share similar mutations to the other variants leaving those vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine potentially exposed to multiple variants. This new finding should force a rapid acceleration of second-generation vaccines and encourage further research into the possibility of a pancoronavirus vaccine.      ”

"There were no cases of hospitalization for severe Covid-19 observed in the study. ...The trial findings are inconclusive with respect to whether the ChAdOx1 nCov-19 vaccine may protect against severe Covid-19 caused by infection with the B.1.351 variant."

I think most of us are concerned about severe disease. Let's save our grave concern for when we have more relevant data.

7 hours ago, brommers said:

The medical authorities are staying quiet for one good reason. They are waiting for the Czar to admit that the AstraZeneca vaccine is ineffective against the S African variant. This was proven in S Africa months ago and their government immediately deleted the vaccine from their national plan. They are now already vaccinating their general public with imported Pfizer vaccine and in 4 months built a production plant that is turning out millions of doses of J&J. Meanwhile Thailand is whistling in the dark waiting for a vaccine that offers no protection against a variant that is already in the wild and spreading amongst the Thai population. Is there a  light at the end of the tunnel or is it the sun shining out of a certain someone's ass?

"This was proven in S Africa months ago"
Was it? 

From SMH, May 10th.

Concern about that variant reached fever pitch when researchers published a study in March suggesting AstraZeneca’s vaccine offered no protection against catching it. But that small study was more suggestive than conclusive, and researchers are still waiting for better data to come in.

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a sad reality of the situation now, there's no getting away from it. I fear the only light at the end of the tunnel is herd immunity through vaccinations and we know how long thats going to take here.

 

True. But we should be thankful that there are vaccines that are so efficacious and that they are available. It will take a bit longer than we would like. But we'll get there eventually. Patience and perseverance are what's required now. 

55 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Remind us, how reliable has the AZ delivery schedule been.

Starting June 7th, right on schedule, according to one of my Thai friends who has an appointment and confirmed that it would be AZ, not Sinovac.

20 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Will this get reversed tomorrow?

No. This time the WILL is in capital letters. ????

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think a lockdown is inevitable. 

 

But, lets not panic - the numbers in Thailand are still far far less than exist in our home countries. 

 

That said, the ‘whole numbers’ are somewhat irrelevant and simply depend on the amount of people tested. 

If Thailand were to test 100,000 random cases per day, how many of those would be positive. 

400,000 per day? how many of those?

Testing 3000 people per day who have symptoms or been exposed to someone with symptoms or have tested positive is a highly misleading observation / metric of the true picture of the Covid-19 outbreak in Thailand. 

 

 

Of far greater significance is: 

1) Number of People who have died because of Covid-19

2) Number of People in ICU because of Covid-19 (and available beds)

3) Number of serious Covid-19 cases (i.e. Number of people in hospitals requiring treatment for Covid-19)

 

 

Thailand still needs to concentrate on getting the Vaccines distributed as quickly as possible. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but the change in the rate of positives to number of tests done is indicative of the spread.

16 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

They are trying to purchase J&J, but so are dozens of other countries.  Not to mention the problems they're having with manufacturing.  Perhaps by December, we'll see this jab.

 

I believe they are planning on purchasing many millions of doses of Sinovac, and manufacturing AZ locally.  The latter to be available in July.

 

So for now, the #1 jab that's available is Sinovac.

So we might have to wait. 

59 minutes ago, ParkerN said:

Yes. There's a matter of technique here. It may be rubbish, but it's helpful to say why you think it's rubbish and make a more positive contribution.

 

Life is already full of empty vessels making quite a lot of noise but little else of value.

I think the point is that if you don't have an argument, you resort to invective.

11 minutes ago, placnx said:

The data from trials of Chinese vaccines are not available, so the scientific community doesn't know the frequency of this side effect.

Yes but there are/will soon be plenty of clinical data from countries which have ordered millions of doses: Brazil, Chile, Turkey, Indonesia, Philippines, etc. 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'm betting medical insurance won't cover treatment for side effects of (voluntary) vaccination.

But will cover treatment for catching the disease.

 

So the vaccination will remove you from the 'insured' list and place you on the 'uninsured' list.

But it might be worth having the shot in countries that provide free hospital treatment.

Good point. I guess it will depend on whether the side effects were reasonably foreseeable. I would argue that only a few days of flu-like symptoms would be reasonably foreseeable and anything requiring medical treatment would not be. 

23 minutes ago, ParkerN said:

 

So you'll be getting the Sinovac vaccine then - when?

A false dichotomy: the choice is not Sinovac or not Sinovac. There are other options. Astra Zeneca is here already and JnJ has been approved?

Any more fallacies? Bring'em on! 

4 minutes ago, ParkerN said:

Hmmm. Well, not to cast aspersions (something we should all avoid doing), balancing this risk seems to involve more pirouetting than I would find acceptable. But that's just me...

You're right. With such incomplete and conflicting information floating around, it is difficult to make a balanced calculation. But the stats from countries like Israel and the UK make a compelling case for vaccination.

6 minutes ago, ParkerN said:

Indeed. And let us all try to pretend this was totally unexpected and that that Sinovc is in fact, completely safe; it all being a 'misunderstanding', while a certain someone rushes to prepare remedial actions at the direct expense of the Thai people.

 

Phrase like throwing and trusting spring readily to mind. A foul-up like this might become, is rarely an accident. Of course nobody will be held accountable, that's a given. But that is not at all the same thing as nobody being responsible.

"completely safe" is a straw man (a misrepresentation of an opponent's argument, usually by exaggeration) No one is suggesting that the vaccine should be completely safe, nor that it should be completely effective. It is a risk balancing calculation. 

1 hour ago, BadSpottedDog said:

Same issues are happening in the states with Pfitzer and Moderna. It's just not getting coverage.

Note sure how legit this site is. But there are some interesting claims of long term side effects: parasthesia, fatigue, blurry vision. Notwithstanding, most of the commenters suggest that better to be vaccinated than not. No doubt, being in the US, they have first hand anecdotal experience.

https://medshadow.org/covid19-vaccine-side-effects/

On 4/20/2021 at 3:41 PM, champers said:

June, so must we presume it is AZ?

More likely Sinovac.