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Most guys who come here want to be "good". But not in the way I think you mean it. OP,  I hope you know what Pattaya is, right?

I really don't see how you would need to apologize, Lou62. What a shame though that you didn't have a receipt. Makes me suspicious of the Jomtien IO you dealt with. But water under the bridge now, sadly. 

I would not have known about the reporting requirement if I hadn't moved from Bangkok to Pattaya, i.e., changed districts. Fortunately, I had been in a non-enforcing district. Having moved, the management duly reported me and suddenly I was in compliance. LOL Now, I (might) have no choice but to attend the milking shed.

23 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It is making so much moolah, they have managed to relocate the original, purpose-built milking shed from near the back where it was when they first installed the milking machine to just inside the front door. I won't be surprised if the milking shed gets bigger before the end of the year.

I would chuckle at your metaphor except for the fact that I think you have a very good chance of being correct. 

To be honest, I'm reconsidering my decision to move back here, not just because of a fear of sheds.

18 minutes ago, lou62 said:

I didn't know about a TM 30. A friend told me, anyway I made a trip to immigration.

 

I'd been back 45 days since my return to Thailand. Fined 9000 Bt.

 

It was 200 Bt per day,  didn't have to pay the 5000 Bt that I also would have been charged as well had I not turned myself in (so to speak).

 

I'm on a retirement extension and have been on the system for a few years now.

Oh, that hurt. This was in Jomtien, I take it?

I would guess there are thousands of expat condo/house owners who don't know about this precisely because Immigration is now enforcing the law. At least in Jomtien and Chiang Mai, especially.

36 minutes ago, mikebell said:

I was in a Go-Go bar and four Indians came in and ordered two bottles of water.  The mama-san decreed it had to be one drink per person.  Two of the Indians went outside for a smoke whilst their mates tried to grab anyone in reach.  After ten minutes the smokers returned and sat in front of the water whilst the previous occupants went outside.

We need more tourists like this; it makes us farangs look prosperous.

These stories are legion in Pattaya. One or two Indian guys go "hunting" the beer bars or Coconut Bar and round up a companion. The companion enters a hotel room filled with 5-6 more Indians, all expecting to have their shot for the original single-user low price. Yup, leaving behind hundreds of baht on their travels.

I do find Indians to be polite and friendly, and with very good English skills. But they don't treat females with  basic human respect. 

Doomed indeed, just like my return to the Darkside.

I came here from Bangkok, via Vietnam, to see for myself if NPW and Klang were reconnected. Instead I'm still running between u-turns up and down Suk, the same as it was since early 2015. Two years of crossing death alley is what drove me out of Pattaya. Looks like this continuing prospect will force me to change my plans.  

Throw in the new "construction" blockage on the soi between NPW and Khao Noi (beside the PT gas station), which I thought I could use to shop at TOPs, and the disastrous trench on Soi Siam. Well, things have gotten worse.

The blockages, of course, mean more traffic for NPW and the Railway Bypass. What will traffic be like in high season. I shudder to think.  

On 8/4/2017 at 10:08 AM, Rimmer said:

The news story said:

The department, he said, will explore ways to treat wastewater before it reaches the canal.

LOL. Maybe it will happen if you keep saying this every few years. Even at critical pollution levels, they will still do nothing. Look at Pattaya/Jomtien beaches.

12 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Based on the title above the office door, I would suggest self-filers have no business in that room or TBH anywhere else in the office.

Yeah, but . . . This was the office I was directed to by the front check-in staffer after I asked when do I report my return to Thailand. The staffer said more than 30 days and indeed, so did the officer in the office. Which leads one to think, just go about your normal 90-day reports/or outward travel. No need to do a separate report. And yet, we really don't know if this is proper information.  

32 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

As an ex fully qualified civil engineer, I see no need for anyone to "run" the underpass, and any accumulated water should easily be directed to an automatic sump pump which would discharge to a drain on Pattaya Klang whenever needed. The biggest problem I have observed here is above ground, and there is some miscalculation regarding the positioning of the traffic islands. If one is heading south one of the lanes just stops dead, quite unexpectedly, so rude ! The above ground configuration needs some adjustment :)

I've just returned to the area and wondered at the southbound lane setup. When the lights on Suk are red at Klang for southbound traffic, I can imagine long tailbacks blocking those exiting Soi SSCC and the Numchai driveway because there are only two southbound lanes. Never mind cars trying to get over to the Klang right turn. It will be extraordinarily difficult if not impossible because of the density of traffic and the cheaters trying to edge over from the right-turn lanes into the southbound lanes. Sounds like a, well, you know . . .

I could be completely wrong but looking at the list, I think it's an either/or list but not expressed that way in English: Either No. 5 (rental contract) OR if you are the owner or the wife is, then you have to provide  for No. 6/7.  

FYI: Maybe you could visit that office in the photo and present your rental contract and ask if that's enough for any future return report. If the answer is yes, then you can relax.

Today, Thursday, that office in the photo was packed just after 13:00. But when I was there Wednesday morning, around 08:30, there was only one guy ahead of me. 

3 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

Yet more junta-ordered, urban vandalism.  And what has happened to Siam Square since the coup should be a criminal offence. All the unique little independent fashion designers shops have been demolished and replaced by useless, ugly-as-sin shopping complexes (not even real malls), despite the fact that Siam Square is across the road from all the big malls.  No more Siam Radio playing there anymore either. It's like they are hell-bent and sucking all the atmosphere out of BKK.  Look at the flower market now as well... Shame.

Really? I haven't been down there in Siam Square (on the walk to MBK) since last year. So now they've destroyed that unique bit of Bangkok? The city just gets worse and worse. In fact, I just spent four nights in Bangkok, which was two too many.

^^^ Alas, the fact that what I posted (over 30 days and you must report) can be reinterpreted/overruled by the next officer is exasperating and potentially costly. This morning in fact, I was still questioning what I would do the next time I leave and re-enter Thailand. I'm nearing the point of washing my hands of the whole thing and keeping my apartment in VN.  

The officer behind the desk in this office (photo) said that if you are OUT of Thailand more than 30 days, you must report to immigration within 24 hours of arrival.  You do NOT have to report if less than 30 days, as long as it's to the same address recorded by Immigration. I asked her twice. If it's a new address, the 24 hour condition kicks in. The reporting office is left inside the main door, just to the right of the check-in officer. The front desk has the form. The second photo shows what you need for the submission. Now, a year or two ago, I went to the second floor to report my new address. With the new enforcement, maybe they've moved it downstairs.

Well, isn't this great? I got back to the Darkside last weekend. I tried to cross on the moto from NPW to Klang by joining Suk from SSCC and heading south. Blocked by orange barriers. Still had to go down to the u-turn past Khao Noi.

On the return, tried to cross from northbound Suk and onto SSCC. Blocked. Only the crossing (actually the u-turn lane) is just a bit north of Numchai's driveway. To get to NPW, I rode with all the other cheaters and threaded my way through the dense two lanes of traffic headed southbound and into Numchai. Not fun!

Oh, the surprise! Oh, the joys! This won't do. I have a feeling it's going to be like this for some time. 

Additionally, today I tried to ride down to Khao Noi along the southbound road beside the PT gas station (9 something, 1 something), which turns into Boonsamphan 3/1. They've dug up both lanes on the top of the hill by the hotel. No passage. They desperately needed to fix this road, that's for sure.

This move back here is not working so well. In fact, it all seems worse.

Hate to spill the beer, but it is illegal to brew your own beer or make alcohol, or even owning the equipment. 

Penalty increased in new 2016 law.

Things are changing indeed. Just got back from 4 nights in Bangkok to my "home address" on the Darkside. I walk by the open-air counter and immediately and frantically get waved over.

"You go out Thailand?" is the very first question!

"No, I go to Bangkok."

"OK. You go out Thailand, I send immigration."

"If I go outside Thailand for 3-4 days, you send to immigration"

"Yes. If you go out, bring boarding pass. Make copy. I give to immigration."

"You go to Jomtien?

"Yes."

She is the senior clerk here and only one with passable English other than the lady manager.

Wow. I've stayed at this place more than three years in total and have never ever been asked where I came from. So it seems the tracking of us aliens by Jomtien Immigration is serious.

Later, I tell her some people say, more than 14 days, the foreigner must tell immigration. Some say 30 days. But no, every time I go outside the country, she said the management will send someone all the way to Jomtien to make a report. She told me the hotel is responsible for sending the information. OK, I'm a lucky person. I don't have to ride the 10 km to soi 5 myself. (The online reporting was taken offline last December because of a fear of getting hacked, I had read in at least two places).

But . . . wow. It's not just the initial reporting they have to do but every time you leave the country and return to the same address. I think from now on I may just tell them where I'm going or that I'm not leaving Thailand. This is starting to feel off-putting. 

I do not know how return reporting applies to the foreign renter of say, a single condo owner's unit.  I think they would have to do the return check-in like everyone else but you have the difficulty, as in Tropo's case, of chasing the owner. But clearly the immigration word has gone out to hotel and apartment building owners.

Thanks for everyone's input. After hours and hours of research, I have almost no answers, mostly because every district applies the law differently and variably. 

All I can do is ask at Jomtien next week during my extension renewal and get another answer from another IO. 

The worst report I read was from Chiang Mai, where some IOs were insisting on address reports even after visiting other Thai locales. 

TM30 and Chiang Mai

19 hours ago, Blinky62 said:

I think you will find it is within 24 hours of arriving at your residence.


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Yes, it is 24 hours from arrival at the residence. Just saw a copy of the TM30 online. Thanks.

There is also Fortune Town right at Phra Ram 9 MRT station. Second floor has lots of second-hand phone sellers, therefore, they're buyers. 

^^^ I think the key is the thing noted in the video: The Housemaster, which can mean the owner or any middlemen in the owner/foreign guest relationship. So I think the agent, handling so many lease contracts, would have a template form he/she fills out with your name, passport number and address of the property. This approved immigration form is signed and stamped  by the agent. This is exactly how it's done at my complex. The manager just fills in the blanks with the new info, signs and stamps it with the property name. I've lived there on and off for a few years, and it's always been the same whether I need a certificate of residence or extension renewal. 

You might also bring to their attention the law on this and heavy fines if you can't report properly.

3 minutes ago, tropo said:

It is not always a simple process to complete a TM30 form. You need a copy of the owner's ID and blue book if you're renting. That's not easy to get if they owner lives overseas and you're renting through a Real Estate agent. In my particular situation, I gave up.

Tough one, indeed.  In your case, the owner faces up to a 10,000 baht fine, based on the immigration video I watched. 

Fortunately for me, my owner is represented by the commercial complex manager. She's available 7 days a week and can issue a stamped form that immigration has always accepted. Then again, this won't impact me too often because I'm only out of the country beyond 14 days just once a year. Yeah, I'm kind of accepting it's 14 days, not 30. But I will confirm next week. Well, confirm as far as is possible in Thailand. LOL

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How do you report this? On what form?

I believe this is the TM30 -- Notification of aliens staying at a residence. (I took this from the pinned templates post on the TV visa pages. )

^^^Granted, I was reading between the lines but . . .  A pier that was crumbling for years yet is only a decade old. It obstructed the South Pattaya drainage canal.  The new one won't encroach on public land like the old one.  And they completely demolished a bridge, likely because it was wholly inadequate likely due to lack of any oversight.

It still just boggles the mind that a structure could be erected without right of way approved, permits issued, waterway flow study presented, surveying completed and approved, and the structure's engineering capacity analyzed. Yeah, there's no answer.  Carry on, Thailand.  

Here's another link that (I think) got trashed in another thread. It's not a bad summary of the newly enforced requirement for the TM30 after travels. 

TM30 Reporting requirements for hosts and travellers