wilcopops

Just back from a 10 day 3,000+ km ride, safe and sound, glad to say. Didn't check the forum much while on the road, was doing the next day's route planning instead.

I see the usual suspects are still active on this thread which is good as I believe this thread would be useful for riders new to Thailand roads.

My top registered speed on this ride was 163 kph, as recorded by my GPS. This was on the AH123 / Route 323 from Thang Pha Phum towards Kanchanaburi. Any of you who have ridden this road on a big bike will be laughing at how slowly I went. I reckon this must be the longest stretch of road where one can travel at a fairly brisk pace, safely.

@wilcopops - I appreciate your contribution to this thread but in all honesty, what are your "points"? You have countered me and at least one other poster for not replying to your "points". As far as I can recall, you made, 4 points - protective clothing, road conditions, emergency services and leaving behind loved ones. I had responded to all the above. Your other posts merely state that we are ignorant of safety and that you are a safety expert but you don't actually give any examples nor suggestions. I really would like to hear what your experience and studies have taught you.

Oh yes, and my little trip came to 4300 km and although I'm quite capable of exceeding 160, i don't because I have respect for the road, its users those who live nearby (including the wildlife) and the environment - I also have a generally considerate perspective on the lives of others.

Have done that - don't underestimate someone's riding experience either......i learned from experience, study and reason - something that seems to have eluded some bikers here.

I too have 'learned from experience, study and reason', yet I have come to a conclusion diametrically opposed to yours; for myself, accepting a calculated risk is part and parcel of being a passionate motorcyclist - something I expect to be and do until they have to pry my arthritic hands off the bars!!

"I too have 'learned from experience, study and reason',

All your posts would seem to contradict that.

as for you risk assessment skills I think you will eventually find they are not up to par.

So based on experience one should ban motorbike riding.

This thread is asking about safe speeds. Not whether riding is safe or should be banned.

It's a risky hobby but risks can be mitigated, although not eliminated by taking appropriate measures.

As Isaid at the start if you have to ask what speed then you shouldn't be o a bike.

as i said before, if you want "quality" tourists, you need a "quality" product.

If the TAT stopped telling people things and shut up and listened to the industry or just took a look around them, maybe than people would stop laughing every time they made a pronouncement.

Just back from a 10 day 3,000+ km ride, safe and sound, glad to say. Didn't check the forum much while on the road, was doing the next day's route planning instead.

I see the usual suspects are still active on this thread which is good as I believe this thread would be useful for riders new to Thailand roads.

My top registered speed on this ride was 163 kph, as recorded by my GPS. This was on the AH123 / Route 323 from Thang Pha Phum towards Kanchanaburi. Any of you who have ridden this road on a big bike will be laughing at how slowly I went. I reckon this must be the longest stretch of road where one can travel at a fairly brisk pace, safely.

@wilcopops - I appreciate your contribution to this thread but in all honesty, what are your "points"? You have countered me and at least one other poster for not replying to your "points". As far as I can recall, you made, 4 points - protective clothing, road conditions, emergency services and leaving behind loved ones. I had responded to all the above. Your other posts merely state that we are ignorant of safety and that you are a safety expert but you don't actually give any examples nor suggestions. I really would like to hear what your experience and studies have taught you.

no you haven't and you've made some very rash assumptions too.......

"Your other posts merely state that we are ignorant of safety and that you are a safety expert" - no they don't.\however this statement is lot more revealing about yourself than anyone else.

Why ask about me? it's the mesage that's important - as I said before.

The Hilux in US was replaced by the tacoma. Essentially they have a different frame — the Vigo continues on a Hilux type frame the Tacoma has a Prado type.

However as a Toyota they share all sorts of parts and components with each other.

The Vigo and the hilux are classified as "mid-size" pick ups.

In Thailand the engine options on the Vigo (Hilux) are limited to 3 litres or less, whereas in many other countries the 4 litre is offered similar to that of the Tacoma.

Styling is from Toyota and although I don't think they share a single panel in common (could check the windscreens?0 they DO share the same corporate image.

Toyota US will also give a higher spec in accessories , etc.

The Hilux in US was replaced by the tacoma. Essentially they have a different frame — the Vigo continues on a Hilux type frame the Tacoma has a Prado type.

However as a Toyota they share all sorts of parts and components with each other.

The Vigo and the hilux are classified as "mid-size" pick ups.

In Thailand the engine options on the Vigo (Hilux) are limited to 3 litres or less, whereas in many other countries the 4 litre is offered similar to that of the Tacoma.

Styling is from Toyota and although I don't think they share a single panel in common (could check the windscreens?0 they DO share the same corporate image.

Toyota US will also give a higher spec in accessories , etc.

What was the "infection" that triggered the disease?

"When he woke up New Years Day unable to move his legs and function properly."

Wasn't that most of us?

Speak for yourself.

OK. Here's the solution for blase Thai drivers. Speed cameras hooked up to road spikes. Any car going over 30 km per hour in the "zig zag stretch" gets it's tyres slashed to shreds.

..and this post gets the award for the most facetious comment of the thread?

Did anyone think to inform the public before they painted the new markings so they dont have to guess or think they are new paint saving new designed parking spaces?

How about Prayuth uses his weekly slot to INFORM people of what could be a well needed safety road marking campaign and EXPLAIN it to the whole nation in one go ?

Thats after someone has explained to him what they are for that is,

No one bothered to inform the public of the give way rules at roundabouts when they installed a new roundabout in Samui!

...and Samui has the highest death rate in Thailand.

To apply Godwin's Law, would the haulocast better be described as "Christian massacre of Jews"?

Hitler was very anti-Christian and he was in charge. He disparaged the Bible as "too Jewish." Nazism itself was consistently a racial ideology - not religious - so no it could not be described that way accurately.

I think you might look at the role of the Catholic church and the churches within Germany. Just as illogical to blame the islamic religion too.

To apply Godwin's Law, would the haulocast better be described as "Christian massacre of Jews"?

Hitler was very anti-Christian and he was in charge. He disparaged the Bible as "too Jewish." Nazism itself was consistently a racial ideology - not religious - so no it could not be described that way accurately.

I think you might look at the role of the Catholic church and the churches within Germany. Just as illogical to blame the islamic religion too.

so now who do we blame for hacking NOTW - the Australians? Americans? or Christians?

Must have an English translation of the license plate displayed - only front for bikes. Which you get with an English translation of the blue or green book.

White letters on black background. Like this ...

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as i said, i DIDN"T get the right plates from the DLT, but it is no hassle getting them on or over the border.

totally agree about fuel - diesel was 20r per litre in April, wouldn't be surprised if it is even less now. beware though - near the border they may restrict how much you can put in. Those "on a fiddle" will fill the tank but charge a bit extra.

Post with inappropriate content removed and all comments associated with it. Think a bit before posting photos of that nature and the effect on the caliber of the photo forum.

Also, per the OP, there is nothing wrong with the word 'evaluate' as you do evaluate a photo as to it's technical merits and hopefully will get feedback as to what one feels about the technical aspect and subject aspect. That feedback can be negative but still be constructive.

And no, I don't find the heading annoying and believe it is being oversensitive and a bit pedantic to think so.

BTW, it is the Photography AND Arts forum, just the ARTs part hasn't fared well. I've been an art collector, both fine and conventional, for decades and I have no issue with the word evaluate as it pertains to my personal examination of a piece of art. Critique is for the professionals.

You can browse through these two topics to get a feel for the consensus.

Is Photography Art?

The Only Art Thread

//edit - oddly enough, I can't find a single photo that the OP has contributed to the photo forum. Perhaps worried about being 'critiqued'?

"you do evaluate a photo as to it's technical merits and hopefully will get feedback as to what one feels about the technical aspect and subject aspect" - i don't think so - evaluate has basically numerical implications - unless you are going to guess the f-stop or focal length ISO or exposure values etc I can't see it as having any real application here. ...but that is tangential to "art"?

There seems to be an imp!ovation that THAI insurance can be extended to cover you in Malaysia...I would be surprised if that's the case.

As for getting you DLT stuff...why not just go in and try? If they say no you will know what to do. Most DLTs I've been in have very helpful receptions... Just show 'em the blue book and point out you're from a different region

I don't have tinted windows.

I crossed in April at the Wang Prachan border in the Thale Ban National Park.

We thought apart from being scenic it would be a quiet crossing - in fact it's quite busy.

I spent 250 baht getting my local DLT to provide number plates in metal in wester Script. - turns out they were not acceptable as they didn't have the province on them.

you don't need the purple car passport.

DLT also provided me with a translation of the details of my Blue book which is required by Malaysia. it actually seems to be a Vehicle inspection Certificate - valid for about a year. This is same day and cost is minimal.

On arriving the Thai side couldn't push me through fast enough...on the Malaysian side we found that the insurance place was closed (after4.30pm?).

so we drove to the main border crossing at Padang Besar. Here for 800 they prepared and affixed the number plates issued insurance and documents we then went across to the customs offices and got everything stamped.

normally if we'd arrived earlier at Wang Prachan it would have been carried out there.

I found the most disconcerting thing was the vey casual approach and lack of documentation.

I of course had m car blue book and all the relevant Thai documentation, D/L and even an international DP, but didn't produce anything except the blue book at the insurance offices.

Much simpler than entering Laos.

I wouldn't have expected anything less as it seems to be the mainstay of their investigative techniques.

..and why is it only photography? Is it because no one is actually an "artist" but actually just a hobbyist?

There certainly seems to be an obsession with equipment over product.

I don't think JK misses the point.... Islam ius not the problem fanaticism or extremism is.

To apply Godwin's Law, would the haulocast better be described as "Christian massacre of Jews"?

Wonder how many motorbike riders are going to be killed after sliding in wet weather on the new road-paintings??

You make a very good point. I worked as a motorcycle dispatch rider in London and am all too familiar with slippery road paintings. If we had a couple of dry weeks in London it would only take a light rain shower to make the road paintings lethal.

I can tell you that is rubbish...if they use the correct "paint" the traction on zig-zags in the wet is actually the same or higher that standard city street asphalt.

However in Thailand the road markings arw made of much less sophisticated substances

Does anyone seriously expect that suddenly painting zig-zags on the streets of Bangkok will have any effect on raodbsafety????? Only a fool?

I wouldn't be surprised if accidents increased due to people stopping to take photos.

Have they no idea how to introduce a new road safety measure????? You don't just suddenly make them appear and expect people to respect them.......who is going to enforce this? I doubt if the average policeman on the street knows or cares what they even are.

The buffoon behind this should be publicly shamed and sacked.

I am from the mainland europe and I do not remember ever seeing the ZZ lines.

They are indeed dangerous when wet.

what's the map ref for Chiang Kham? I can't find it..... unless it is in PHAYAO which is miles away?