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1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

There are few posters who have made obvious antisemitic comments - and thus rightly labeled antisemites. I did not, and do not toss such accusations wholesale.

 

Considering the number of times your posts were shown to be incorrect, false, misleading, based on dodgy sources, off topic and so on - I think there is no need to 'prove' the point further. I don't care much for what you pretend not to remember, or to have no knowledge of - your disregard for truth has been demonstrated often enough. There is no need or requirement to establish it over and over again.

 

All you do, by the way, is criticize Israel - while at the same time claiming to be 'objective' and so on. Maybe that would stick had you anything to say about Hamas, the Palestinians etc. that's critical, alas....

 

As for the two posts you linked - no one but yourself the 2-3 other posters who troll this topic in the same manner considers you to be sincere, or displaying intellectual honesty. 

I'm mostly confronted with the same phenomenon that my knowledge of Israel is often higher or better than average Israel sympathizers. This can be for political, historical, religious and more general facts about Israel.

I didn't see any antisemite (Judeophobic)  post in this topic.

Anti-Zionism is acceptable as it's a political and colonial ideology. It's not racist.

My posts might be labeled by others as incorrect, false, misleading, based on dodgy sources, off topic and so on because they have not the maturity (ability to adapt and to accept) for such debates.

The hasbara fellowship runs at overdrive and the content will no more be discussed. The messenger receives full discredit because he's better informed.

8 x "you" = non content based critics, only messenger attack

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Wonder how the other side are going to spin this one. I don't think the Hamas fighter with the RPG is delivering Chocolates.

No spin intended. I see immediately 2 reasons.

1. Geneva Convention doesn't prohibit to walk next to a hospital. Using the hospital for military purposes is forbidden.

I can't see from the footage that they've used the hospital for military reasons against their enemy.

The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line.

The safest way in war between 2 points is...more complicated...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-protection-civilian-persons-time-war#:~:text=from such objectives.-,Article 19,acts harmful to the enemy.

Article 19

The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Absolutely, well said. 

Here the link to the IAF Apache helicopter that went on rampage the first days of Hamas attacks.

As per comment section : some cases there were mixed targets/causalities : Hamas militants + Israeli hostages in houses and/or vehicles

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hkanmp5w6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed0-OxNO_bQ&t=120s

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The only way is to ignore. I wish there was a block and hear there might be soon.

 

The moderators are catching some of the disgraceful accusations of 'antisemite, hamas apologist, liar etc.

 

I don't like putting people on ignore but  what can you do with these persistent trolls?

 

They have absolutely no integrity and will stop at nothing to have the thread for themselves so they can justify their bigotry in celebrating the ethnic cleansing by Israel. 

The same tricks to blackmail, guilt tripping, insult, deflect, minimize, gaslight, etc.. are used on other platforms that I also visit with the same Israel war topic.

If Israel is winning this war, why all these signs of panic and discomfort on online platforms.

Twitter, Youtube, etc will show the same forced polarities in the comment sections.

The non-cease fire and non-exchange of hostages/prisoners and non-peace agreement negotiations will keep this online aggressivity alive.

This is a PR disaster worldwide if you read the comments for Israel and they don't realize it.

I will also start to stop replying to certain people which insulted or provided high perversity content against me or others.

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I just told you I condone neither Hamas nor Israel, stop misrepresenting what I said. 

I think this is impossible to be impartial in this conflict.

Others use the fallacy of misinterpretation, just to keep you answering bogus repetitive questions to make you guilt tripping and take of your focus of the topic. In the worst case you will be asked to apologize or you will be called a liar.

If you continue to answer and keep your position firm, you will be called a stalker...

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I have no idea what you mean with the sentence in bold above. Would you please clarify it? 

First acknowledge the 1.000.000 innocent non combatant Palestinian claim. This was asked, but you've never answered and you will keep to play broken record...

Just now, Morch said:

 

Most of what you post is false, and a whole lot of it is propaganda. Spin it however you like.

Aside from the daily "Who-is-the-antisemite-of-the-day" competition, you didn't explain what is false and which post provides you to backup this claim.

On the other side spot the difference with what you suggest without backup that is available :

You've tried earlier to label me as "Holocaust denier", again without proof of any posts that I've made and I've no problem to acknowledge...

I only criticize Israeli government and army for their decision and/or acts + war propaganda.  Not the Israeli/Jewish population. 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1308598-israel-is-at-war/?do=findComment&comment=18453860

https://aseannow.com/topic/1308598-israel-is-at-war/?do=findComment&comment=18403101

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   When did your opinion change to wanting a ceasefire ?

At the beginning of the war, you seemed to be favour of the war

When did you decide  that the war should stop and that there should be a ceasefire .

I'll take a guess and guess that you changed your mind about wanting a way and that there should be a ceasefire at about the same time that Palestinians began to lose ?

I've never changed my opinion to aim cease fire, hostage exchange and long term peace and I was never in favor for war. I'm not in favor for false war propaganda.

I think on the moment that Israel declared the war : after the Hamas militants were out of Israel with the hostages and Israel started to bomb the Gaza non combatant civilians and Israeli hostages and prisoners.

I've no problem that you start guessing if you refuse to verify my posts and one day you need to tell me at which point Hamas has lost this war. I've no official data or confirmation from that from any official.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Correct, because to you and Khun Scotty, lying is okay as long as it results in more dead Jews. 

Do you mean the +1.000.000 Palestinians ?

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

Yes he is welcome to apologize now or later for his misinformation

Well, I apologize for him. That's the best thing you can have in friendship.

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No, more like you claim 'debunked'.

That's not really the same thing.

Here Morch, another fresh one that can be debunked while it's still hot.

Don't read the comment section...LOL

https://twitter.com/ynetnews/status/1723689573237051817

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

You said babies. This does not refer to babies but to children which is anyone under 18 in Gaza. Would you like to apologize now or later?

LOL. Apologize now or later ? Because he didn't do anything wrong...LOL

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

In your mind.

Not according to this forum's rules, though

Many feedback has been debunked from IDF Twitter account.

I can't imagine any debunk of this conflict from the Romanian account...

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really, an unverified Romania account on twitter with 77 followers..................how convincing

It equates for sure the IDF twitter account in terms of reliability...for war propaganda...LOL

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You're lying again. 

 

Again, the same broken record method to perhaps compensate intellectual absence ...can you explain this time which part of my posts that I've been lying?

My first post :

What about the killings of all Palestinian civilians within Gaza since 7th of October that never participated, never voted, never helped, never sponsored, never was implicated in Hamas political, military, religious or social activities? 

Your question :

Can you list a few of them?

My answer :

Just a few : (more than 1 million people)

All the Churches, Hospitals, Mosques and UN buildings that have been bombed with these people

We can count all children in Gaza younger than 16 years old

Press and medical people

Catholic community

1 hour ago, proton said:

I expect the resident apologists will say this is all fake IDF propaganda 

 

 

4 machine guns on the floor from 21 killed Hamas soldiers? 

16 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More conspiracy nonsense on what MSM can or cannot post 

My quote :

"More disturbing : what they did to the Palestinian workers that worked in Israel and could not come back into Gaza + what has been done with the bodies of the dead Hamas fighters. MSM can't post this."

Can I post this or not ? (from YT)

45 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Allegations are not facts.

Israel already acknowledged that some violations did happen, and are being investigated (that included in the link above).

i don't know why you'd expect them to be treated super nicely right after the 7/10 attack.

Most of the people in the links are not Hamas militants.

They are temporary workers from Gaza that had permission to work in Occupied West Bank and Israel. They didn't participated in the 7th of October attacks. It's collective punishment. The footage I saw that I can't post here due to forum rules are some of these prisoners naked and subjected to perversity of some soldiers.

And no, I don't expect these non combatant hostages to be treated that way as per international law.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-treatment-prisoners-war#:~:text=Prisoners of war must at,breach of the present Convention.

Quote from source :

Article 13

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. 

Just now, CatCage said:

 

Why is it anything you post is 100% Kosher but anything anyone else puits up it is made up rubbish? 

Because I want cease fire and peace for both sides.

It's as well kosher as hallal...

9 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Add electricity and lifts to the long list of things you have no idea about. (like your schedule 40 pipes "are good for rockets").  You just copycat whatever fits your agenda.

 

Lifting mechanism or not, that shaft is not part of the hospitals normal operation. It's a makeshift arrangement, probably for weapons and other objects. I've worked on lifts, that is a tiny inverter. My condo unit has three phase power. No one that makes a legal, inspectable lift for public use leaves wires and cables dangling around like that, etc.

The SH40 pipes (standard pipe schedule) for manufacturing of rockets was in reply of another poster that supposed that Hamas used its own underground water piping system to make/fabricate rockets and this resulted that they've created areas within Gaza without water supply for its own population. Nothing strange to use SH40 underground pipes for water pressure service of max. 10 Bar while some assumed you could use these for rockets.

Hamas uses for military purposes round tunnel openings and the tunnel to surface shaft is made of bricks. No casted concrete RC columns. This shaft in the footage is part of the hospital.

Cables and wires dangling like that is very common if you work in poor countries and/or regions that are subjected to blockades.

Many people like me can see that this is not a person ladder. It's a cables ladder/tray inside the shaft. It's not made to walk on it like a ladder.

My list of debunking war propaganda starts to expand in such way that my basic E&M engineering knowledge will be questioned in response. This can be double checked with what other people post with the same logic/criticism as me on other social media.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

sick conspiracy theories are not funny

Ask YellowTail, he knows some HVAC and should know what a 3 phase inverter + electrical box for an elevator motor looks like.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

sick conspiracy theories are not funny

Agreed, the IDF propaganda guy should stay in his office and in front of his camera.

The way he carries his machine gun is dangerous for himself and others...

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Full version that also shows a Hamas leaders house next to a hospital along with terrorist tunnel, 20 meters deep.

 

 

Again war propaganda from :

Electrical box has 3 phase inverter motor for an elevator motor. This is a typical elevator electrical box.

The elevator shaft has rails (guides) and a flat cable. The shaft has casted columns and the interior has been painted.

Motorcycle with a scratch has been used on 7th of October? This can't be serious.

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Special footage from the Rantisi hospital in Gaza - on the basement floor, a room was found with signs indicating hostages were held there, underground headquarters and a room full of weapons inside the hospital:

 

 

Again war propaganda :

The Israeli Army evidence of Hamas using hospitals to keep hostages is:

- A handwritten calendar in Arabic.
- a piece of rope by the leg of a chair.
- diapers and a baby bottle in the basement.
- a conveniently planted cache of weapons.

From the footage : Hagari revealed a makeshift area in the basement, seemingly set up hastily as an improvised facility. He also pointed to a paper sheet on the wall that appeared to be a schedule for Hamas operatives assigned to guard the hostages.

As part of an Israeli claim that Al Rantisi Hospital in Gaza was used by Hamas for military purposes, this soldier says that a calendar with crossed-out days, is a "list" of names of Hamas militants in charge of guarding the hostages:

- "a guardian list where every terrorist writes his name and every terrorist has his own shift."

He also lies about the sentence written on top of the calendar when he translate it as "we are in an operation. The operation against Israel", the Google lens translation shows it only says "Al-Aqsa flood battle" then on the calendar crossed out the days past since it's start.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Qassam is not the only rocket in the terrorists arsenal, they have a large range including the al-Quds rocket.

 

Hamas Leader: “We have local factories for everything, for rockets with ranges of 250 km, for 160 km, 80km, and 10 km.

 

All rockets need the fuel to be ignited before they can launch. The ignition is carried out via electric switch which needs generators or batteries for smaller launch pads.

 

source

This has been debunked earlier :

https://aseannow.com/topic/1308598-israel-is-at-war/?do=findComment&comment=18472223