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Just now, Wobblybob said:

It is when they're terrorists and nobody is deflecting only you, nobody give a rats ass about terrorists, only the usual suspects. And just to cheer you up there is breaking news that 4 Palestinian military commanders have been killed and those that haven't been killed are dead men walking, rejoice!

 

 

Deflect as you want, this time with Hamas leadership that has been killed that would torment me? LOL

But my point was and stays : it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

That got nothing to do with what you claim. Taking someone as hostage is one thing. Arresting or incarcerating is another. You're trolling.

Deflect as you want, but it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Good grief man, amongst the other hostages they kidnapped, there was a 9 month year old baby, what is wrong with you!

Deflect as you want, but it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

There are no Palestinian hostages. You are trolling. Israel did not arrest them or incarcerated them as hostages.

Israeli Military court is not legal for any Palestinian hostage. No international law provides Israel to arrest Palestinian nationals in their Occupied Territories...

2 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

That is your opinion and only an opinion. The general consensus is that all the hostages would still be in the hands of the terrorists had the Israelis not gone into Gaza, and it goes without saying that these hostages should have never been taken in the first place. But it is one excuse after another with certain posters on here trying to justify the actions of these sadistic barbarians.

The terrorists are releasing innocent Israeli civilians whilst the Israelis are releasing Palestian terrorists!

Not true, Hamas leadership made it clear that they took Israeli citizens on 7th of October to be able to exchange them against Palestinian hostages that are jailed in Israel and Occupied territories in Israeli prisons.

There are 19 prisons within Israel and one inside the occupied West Bank that hold Palestinians in prison.

Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, it is against international law for an occupying power to transfer an occupied people from the occupied territory.

There's no justification from my part of any extra judicial actions from Hamas since 1987 till today. I just apply international law in a balanced way.

25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You side with terrorists , kidnappers, hostage takers , rapists and murderers , of course you are going to see your side as being innocents and the people whom they rape, kidnap and murder as being innocent of any crimes they commit .

   You side with Evil 

Before your accusations to me you should consider that none of these Palestinian hostages received a fair trial by any civil court or any international law. To label them as terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc. is not true.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Those Palestinian  citizens  being held in Israel jails were criminals in jail for committing crimes 

AS you don't seem to recognise or respect any rules or laws, I expect you will see those criminals in jail as innocent people 

These Palestinians are hostages and were jailed under Israeli Military court in Palestinian Occupied Territories. Some even never had a fair trial.

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You say that based on what? Hamas comments? Hamas expressing willingness to 'trade'? One thing for sure, even if this was true, they'd ask for way different 'exchange ratio'. It could be argued that Hamas's willingness to negotiate is a direct result of the loses it takes, and the destruction meted on Gaza.

 

And, of course, the Gaza Strip was not 'carpet bombed' other than in your posts.

Carpet bombing from IDF/IAF has been done to get Palestinian civilians out of North Gaza and to prepare the ground offensive.

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More innocent children and women hostages released by the terrorists and more terrorists released by Israel. 

 

 

"This bull<deleted> propaganda video, released by Hamas, in which the same terrorist group that murdered, tortured, and raped Israelis - now says "welcome" and pats them on the back. 

These vile, disgusting monsters can take their filthy hands off our families and remember that they are not long for this world."

 

 

 

 

 

Hostages from both sides could have been exchanged peacefully much earlier without ground offensive and without carpet bombing Gaza strip.

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What is it you don't understand about this, your claim above is false:

 

Now again stop the tedious trolling, that's how the last topic got locked because of disruption like this

No problem. Case closed for me as per your request.

But you've quoted an article/analysis from Bruce Hoffman in The Atlantic.

He's too biased for me to analyze the latest 2017 Hamas charter because he's an Israeli citizen too.

Quote from link :

He was goalkeeper for the Israeli National Field Hockey team in 1979 and 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Hoffman

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you confirmed you were baiting as per usual and completely ignored the reference made to the article and its contents

The new charter states that Hamas’ conflict is with Zionism, not Jews. LOL

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who mentioned the term genocide was ever in the charter?

 

Trolling again, I just quoted the relevant articles in the link

Thanks, you confirm what I was saying : there's no Judeophobic content in latest 2017 Hamas charter to kill all Jews between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea.

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Except it is:

 

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

Much like the original, the new document asserts Hamas’s long-standing goal of establishing a sovereign, Islamist Palestinian state that extends, according to Article 2, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and from the Lebanese border to the Israeli city of Eilat—in other words, through the entirety of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. And it is similarly unequivocal about “the right of return” of all Palestinian refugees displaced as a result of the 1948 and 1967 wars (Article 12)

https://archive.ph/QGQvP

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

Where does it states in the latest 2017 Hamas Charter about the so called "genocide of Jews between the river and the sea"?

It's rather misleading and false to cumulate and/or mix both charters of Hamas...to pinpoint (justify) any topics in latest 2023 conflict.

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Yeah ,  I just replied to that !!!!!!!!

You reply stating the same thing again .

Have you been bitten by a parrot recently ?

The unfamous song : "From the river to the sea..." is no more valid as per latest updated charter.

Your personal attack didn't work. Aquila non captat muscas (Eagles don't catch flies...)

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  That was invalid , the previous Palestinian charter stated that that one couldn't be replaced updated or modified, making the newer one to be invalid

Again : Quote from link :

The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders that existed before 1967 and rejected recognition of Israel, which it terms as the "Zionist enemy".[2] It advocates such a state as transitional but also advocates the "liberation of all of Palestine".[

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some more light bedtime reading for you is needed.

 

How the term “genocide” is misused in the Israel-Hamas war

The systematic murder of 6m Jews by the Nazis was genocide. The organised butchery of perhaps 500,000 ethnic Tutsis by Hutu militias in Rwanda in 1994 was too.

By the un definition, Hamas is a genocidal organisation. Its founding charter, published in 1988, explicitly commits it to obliterating Israel. Article 7 states that “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them”. Article 13 rejects any compromise, or peace, until Israel is destroyed. Hamas fighters who burst into Israel on October 7th and killed more than 1,400 Israelis (and other nationalities) were carrying out the letter of their genocidal law.

https://archive.ph/O8HpJ

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/11/10/how-the-term-genocide-is-misused-in-the-israel-hamas-war

 

Hamas uses a new charter since 2017. Why do you refer to the old one from 1988.

Watch out the front page of The Economist "The world ahead 2024": it's rather a conspiracy theorist competition quest...

Quote from link :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders that existed before 1967 and rejected recognition of Israel, which it terms as the "Zionist enemy".[2] It advocates such a state as transitional but also advocates the "liberation of all of Palestine".[14][15] The new document also states that the group does not seek war with the Jewish people but only against Zionism which it holds responsible for "occupation of Palestine".[16] Mashal also stated that Hamas was ending its association with the Muslim Brotherhood.[14] After a new charter was scheduled to be issued in May 2017, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office issued a statement in which it accused Hamas of trying to fool the world and also asked it to stop its terror activities for a true change.[17]

31 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Professor Jeroen Gunning discusses Hamas' strategy after the 7 October attack, its organisational structures and regional relations, and shares his thoughts on how the war will end.

 

 

 

Clean. unbiased opinion.

I'm glad he didn't felt into the trap of polarization in his speech.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This is a war between Israel and Hamas .

This isn't a World war between Muslims and Jews 

There are some people who still consider this to be part of the final solution to the Jews "problem" , but its just a localised war in the Middle East between two warring factions .

   Palestinian supporters  want a final solution , not everyone in the world does though

 

Oh no, there we have to go back to nazi, SS, WW2, etc topics to be merged into this recent topic to justify war crimes & crimes against humanity commited by Israel, but it's not OK to discuss the Palestinian cause prior to 7th of October 2023...

15 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You don't see the similarities between the 1930s and now, strange?

It's not allowed to explain in this topic the Palestinian cause from 1897 till 6th of October 2023.

But it's allowed to make any comparisons from  any historical date to justify war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc committed by Israel against Palestinians.

50 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Can someone explain why Gaza has so many Hospitals compared to its size? A city like Newcastle upon Tyne only have 2.

Newcastle upon Tyne has some 286.445 habitants.

Gaza has some 2.300.000 habitants.

8 times more habitants doesn't not only explains why Gaza has more hospitals.

Gazans are not free to go elsewhere (fi Egypt) as exception if the medical care can't be given in Gaza.

You can only compare 2 hospitals by the number of beds available (size) and the number of medical personnel per medical disciplines/specialties that are available.

Being forced to limited healthy resources and living conditions in Gaza under blockade will logically require more medical staff/facilities. 

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you are deliberately and knowingly posting videos that you consider to be fake videos ?

I considered this unbelievable to push this kind of narrative/message in war time.

Other persons online debunked this false war propaganda. I didn't.

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did you understand what she was saying ?

"Hamas have taken all the fuel and medicine for themselves ".

She is complaining about Hamas taking over the hospital 

 

The language she uses is non semitic.

43 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You're lying again Kuhn Scotty, no one has claimed Israel are doing no wrong. 

 

And let's not forget, many/most of the "children" killed were fighting for hamas. 

Based on a baby bottle and a full pack of diapers...caught almost red handed...but that's not relevant.

Kids version of Mein Kampf in Arabic has also been found in a kids sleeping room in Northern Gaza...

That's just the beginning.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Fact they separated all men 16 plus yes. Fact Gaza counts children deaths up to 18 years of age

No unbiased link ?

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Notable that the IDF separated all the men today at the hospital to interview them. To the IDF that was every man 16 and above. In other words a large proportion of those children he keeps referring to.

Your opinion or facts?