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Time will tell! I've certainly been using them more and more (and they are extremely convenient), and the price has been relatively stable for a year now.

Only really looks like the tulip chart if you ignore the fact that the price has not reverted to 0, and that the activity on bitcoin has been occurring for over 3 years, not 6 months.

Personally I think it's found it's current market value, and that over time this will increase.

I already addressed the OP's specific question in my first response:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/862412-how-younger-people-can-stay-visa-longer-in-thailand/?p=9958903

My continued responses are more of an antidote to the misplaced assumption that because the OP is 27, he's skint and throwing his life away. A particularly bizarre assumption given the OP made no mention whatsoever of their level of income.

Perhaps you should read the thread properly.

The people "you know" as engineer" are we talking 2 or 92?

More than 92, believe it or not.

One company I worked for had 300 remote engineers around the world, mostly in their mid twenties, with around 30% taking the opportunity to travel whilst doing so, on California rates.

Mostly US citizens, A number of them spend time in Thailand regularly, but more of them work from Europe - Barcelona and Rome in particular.

Kitsune

A ridiculous comment which adds no value to the discussion.

A poor attempt to justify the illegal workers who exist on tourist visas which clearly state that working is prohibited.

Normal activities of daily living are not "work" in a legal sense!

The Thai legal definition simply says that 'working is working'.

Your interpretation of what 'work' is, and what is '"work" in a legal sense', is entirely opinion based.

• The elite visa which costs 500,000 thb for 5 years.
• You shouldn't have a problem getting another tourist visa from your home country or another country neighbouring Thailand.
• You won't be refused entry if holding a TR.
• Set up a company so you can have a non 'B' visa and WP.
• There are companies that will, for a fee, employ you and organise a work permit. (sorry I don't know much about them other than they are expensive)

Unfortunately Thailand doesn't want people your age living and working here illegally.

You misunderstand!

The "digital nomads" live in 5* hotels , use the "gratis" Wi FI and pay tax on their huge incomes!

They also contribute to the economy of the local mobile noodle stall !

Actually there are quite some digital nomads that make far more as the old guys, there are also many old guys that live of a meager pension contributing almost nothing to the country.

But as with all groups there are those who make only a bit of money and those that are successful.

The older guys don't like the younger crowd as they don't have to pay for the girls.

As usual complete tripe

Only the last part.. it is probably true that the old guys don't have to pay for the old girls.

The remained of robblok's post is however entirely true. There are 'digital nomads' that make good money, I know a number. By 'good' i mean 100k US NET (and it goes a lot higher). Plenty of retirees on a fraction of that.

Certain members of staff in Thai consulates are unfriendly, certain countries especially (e.g. Singapore).

Laos is usually the friendliest, I'm surprised you were told that there. Or was it at the border on the way back in?

Anyway I'd just chalk it up to that member of staff having a bad day, there's no official limit yet to back to back tourist visas one can obtain from Laos.

Here's all the Thaivisa moderators confirming that - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/788273-is-there-any-limit-on-back-to-back-tourist-visas/

After 4 or so in a row they ask for proof of funds to show you're not working in the country at some cash in hand job, if you just show proof of funds coming in from abroad you're fine.

Full details on that - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/715011-red-stamp-in-vientiane-advice-needed/

Or you can 'break the chain' of back to back visas by going to Savannakhet, in your position I'd do that. Get a visa from the Thai consulate in your home country first though, you should have zero issues.

Renewing your passport for a fresh one also helps, all those one page tourist visa stickers fill it up fast anyway.

You get a number of months of 'time left' added on if it's not expired yet, e.g. 9 months for UK passports.

Anyway yeah I'd ignore that one off hand comment from one member of staff, get a triple entry visa in my home country, fly in, then go for double entries in Savannakhet after that point.

If there was a defined 'abuse' point for tourist visas it hasn't been written into law yet, I don't feel guilty about staying here on tourist visas out of some imagined notion of 'abuse' - it that existed why isn't it clearly stated on every consulate website. Some have stayed for over a decade on tourist visas.

There's also the Thailand Elite program which has stood the test of time and is a good option if you're sure you'll be here 5 years, you'll recoup most of the costs by not needing to do border runs.

With regards to working you can work online, nothing in the Alien Labor act says it's illegal to freelance remotely online, have a blog, or anything like that. It's not taking jobs away from Thais. That's what I do, I'm also in my 20s and have been here 6 years, I know many other digital nomads in their 20-30s who live here long term too.

There's never been an arrest for working online in Thailand, or anywhere in the world, the above scaremongering about being arrested leaves out the fact it was work with a physical presence (tour guide, bartender etc.) Just don't do that and it's fine.

How incorrect can you be ? YOU are in Thailand and YOU are working, be it remotely or not - that is illegal without the correct visa and work permit.

Tell the online teachers that were arrested and deported from Chaing Mai that there have never been any arrests !

They were not arrested for 'working online', they were arrested in an ad hoc office set up by an business that was advertising jobs for teachers in Thailand, that was paying said teachers in baht, in Thailand.

Where did you get the information that they were deported anyway, because that's not what I heard..

I know this does not answer your question but why live in Thailand at your age? Sure, there are many good things about living here but it's a backwater. For 99% of people it's a place to retire not a place to build a career. Few companies will value the work you do here believing (not incorrectly) the standard and skill set are low. You will be trashing any chance you have and for a career and getting paid poorly for it. Stay in your home country or move to the USA (if you are in IT) and build your career, skills and income. You can always visit Thailand and plan for an early retirement. Don't waste your golden earning years in Thailand ... you will regret it later.

He's not talking about working for a company here, but about earning income online from outside of Thailand.

Not sure what the OP does, but for a skilled senior software engineer working remotely, 100k US is easy, and it's quite feasible to double that if you're an extremely strong dev. It can also be entirely tax free, depending on the tax rules of your country of citizenship and the location of your clients. And you can still get negotiate equity deals, again tax free.

For young individuals that can earn income online, and that are highly skilled, it is quite possible for them to be MUCH better off by living in Thailand, to enjoy a far greater standard of living throughout their earning years, and to have the ability to retire to a great self-funded tax free pension at an early age.

I do not know how the Thai authorities judge if working on-line is "working in Thailand" or not. But I think it could be compared with someone say for example working out something in his mind whilst being in Thailand, for example a formula or equation or invention, would that then be considered "working in Thailand"? I think not.

Or is it just the simple fact that generating an income while in Thailand and not paying taxes for that income that is the definition? which makes a lot of sense in which case the online work is formally "working in Thailand".

The Thai definition of working is 'working is working' - make of that what you will.

Regardless of whether or not earning income online would be construed as within that definition, tax is not related to it - under Thai tax law, foreign income is only taxable if it is remitted to Thailand in the year it is earned, and the individual in question is tax resident for that year (> 180 days in Thailand in that year). Anybody, Thai or not, can earn billions of dollars outside of Thailand and bring it in tax free, so long as they can wait until the next tax year to do so.

I moved here around 10 years ago in my mid twenties, like yourself, and derive income from outside of Thailand.

These are your options in terms of long term visa:

1 - Thai Elite

2 - Get married (probably best to have someone you actually want to get married to) - Non O

3 - Use one of the umbrella companies, like iglu.in.th - Non B

4 - Set up a Thai business, you don't need to run everything through it, just 50k or so - Non B

5 - Take up a course and actually attend - Non Imm ED

6 - Use one of the new multiple tourist visas (probably not going to work long term though)

Thai Elite is probably the simplest of all, and imo would work out the cheapest over 5 years, when you factor in the time cost of dealing with the bureaucracy for all of the others.

All except 3 or 4 would leave open the possibility of being construed by the relevant authorities to be 'working in Thailand' without a permit, though as jspil points out, you would be the first person to be prosecuted for doing so that I am aware of, either in Thailand or abroad.

There is also an investment visa option, but I can't offer you info on that, I stick to the rule 'only bring in to Thailand what you need in Thailand'.

Dont you need 4 employees for a WP therefore costing more than 50k?

Yeah that's why i said 'or so' - though I believe many people operating Thai companies don't actually use employees services, but simply cover the tax as if they were - not sure of the legality of this.

Also need to factor in accounting fees and personal income tax - still don't see it going above 60k a month.

Indeed, decent senior developers earn way more than 20k a month. If somebody is truly a senior level dev in in-demand tech - that is to say, senior level compared to other developers internationally, that can be earned as a daily rate by working remotely for western orgs. There are plenty of senior dev roles in Thailand around the 100k mark.

As for getting a job as a junior dev in Thailand? No chance. Why would they hire you over a Thai national?

Either go back home, do a CS degree, get on the bottom rung and put 5 - 10 years in, or start your own project and make it so good that a lack of a CS degree is immaterial and then get on the bottom rung.

You'll need 5-10 years solid experience to be able to get a job here as a dev, but being frank, by that time (if your head is screwed on) you'll have realised that the way to make money is not to take a 100k THB onsite position in Thailand, but to work remotely for 4 - 5x that for western orgs and still be undercutting Silicon Valley and London rates.

Easy to buy within Thailand from localbitcoins.com - just pick a trader with lots of transactions and 100% rating

You sound really negative and verging on desperate.

You're a female just stop. You don't understand how i feel. How would you feel when u cold approach a girl get her number and she agrees too you on a date. Then acts totally fcking uninterested and tells you she has a boyfriend midway through the date after i pay for everything and suddenly ignores me via text.

Don't even talk about shit you have no clue in. It's easy for a girl to get a date not for a guy. So piss off.

If it was me I would just take a load off at the local mp on the way home and forget it.

If your reaking 'needy' it's going to drive most thai ladies away. They are all used to sex tourists and can smell foreign guys wanting sex.

If mp's or paying is against your manhood, then I would try masturbation. It is a really good technique for releasing pent up frustration.

Stop assuming I'm desperate for sex I'm not. It's just pent up frustrating that i have to put in so much fcking work for so little. All i remember reading and hearing is "YO THAI GIRLS ARE SO EASY!! LOL I BANGED 1000 THAI GIRLS! Who are these people? I really am curious what they look like in person. Cause this just reeks bullshit.

To all the people who are talking smack too me post your pics i really am curious what you people look like and how great you are with women. If you have nothing too contribute piss off. Guess none of you will.

If you're not desperate then why on earth are you 'putting in so much fcking work'? Sounds like your life revolves around locating women, and then playing mind games with them - as if you've read too much PUA bs. Honestly.. 'cold approach'? Sounds like you're selling double glazing, and nobody trusts a double glazing salesman.

In my experience, decent women come along when you ain't looking for them, and aren't in to mind games. I would recommend focusing on something else and just going with the flow when you meet women - seeing if they are someone you actually get along with, not treating it as a challenge in terms of how quickly you can get them into bed. Unless what you actually want is sex, in which case Thailand is your oyster, so long as you're willing to pay.

We get them, I assumed termites and got rid of them with the Chaindrite crack and crevice spray. I could actually see little insects if I looked really closely.

Why such a scathing headline?

Scathing? I think a scathing headline would have been justified, but Reading FC Anthem is hardly scathing.

This is the link to the story I received in my email inbox.

• Reading FC release awful official music video written by Thai owner

What's scathing about that? It is dreadful, it is written by the Thai owner.

Are we supposed to pretend it's good and exactly the sort of song you'd sing at the football? Have you ever been to a football ground?

Haha you must be having a laugh.

“I used to compose songs for my country, we did the Asian games, by this one we’re aiming at the crowd. This is British rock.”

Bwhahahah

Thai Delia Smith.

Not a patch on Leicester's Thai video.

Please read one of the many other topics on the question, this is the most recent http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/854461-work-online-for-an-overseas-company/

"The two Americans involved, Raymond Chang and Ryan Wang"...Americans?..Don't think so. I would never call them anything but Chinese..Asians the very least.

Yeah.. I only consider Native Americans to be American.

Only joking. American passport === American. If they have a US passport, they are American.

Are you seriously suggesting that 'asians' cannot be American? How daft.

at the open air markets, i'm unsure of what type of steak i'm buying. although the price is always nice to the eye. 2kg for 500 baht.

i don't even bother to look at tesco or big c anymore, as i need bulk(meat) from a butcher or market..

also what part of the cow am a receiving at a wet market usually?

Any recommendations?

thanks

You should not be receiving any part of a cow.

Cows are for milk not beef.

Beef is any meat from a cow or bull. 19% of US beef comes from dairy cows that are no longer decent for milk.