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1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

While the number of deaths and injuries on Thai roads is unexceptable ,

there are wider complications ,some of these people that have ded ,

would have been breadwinners for families , workers in positions that

will now need to be filled, these peoples deaths & injuries are going

to cause a lot of problems for Thailand .....RIP those that have died

and a swift recovery for those injured  ,

 

regards worgeordie

Exactly what I tried to point out in another thread.
We read every time about the people that died in a car accident, but they are afraid to publish the cost to Thai society of the injured people.

6 hours ago, brianthainess said:

So obviously your 'Best Efforts' are not good enough. Get the Cops to actually do their job of Patrolling the roads, and stop bad driving, checkpoints don't work and never have, and never will, but you repeat the same "Efforts" every year and Fail.  

Who withdraw the law that limited the people carried on the load surface of a pick-up?
Don't need to answer that question, we know already ....

These statistics are masking the reality and should only be published 30 days AFTER the dangerous 7 days.

People who are injured within the 7-days and die within the 30 day frame are not listed as death in the 7-days.

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

When I come back , Im thinking of building in the balcony, insulate the walls, and double glazed windows, solar panels, and 24 000btu aircon on 36m2 and aircleaner, but Im afraid, I will start looking for an out from here

Most people have a wrong understanding about temperature.

During my job in the coalmines, I had to measure every morning the REAL temperature at the workplace (tunnel) and adjust the variables if necessary.

For that, I first measured the "Dry temperature (a normal temperature bulb)" and the "Wet temperature (a dry temperature bulb wrapped in a wet cloath)".
After that, I measured the wind speed in that tunnel with an Anemometer (wind speed meter).

Consulting a chart with the 3 variables gave me the REAL temperature or the temperature which was perceived.

If it was to warm to work, I put a hose with compressed air in an open vessel filled with water.
The expanding compressed air (about 8 ATM) in the water tank caused the water temperature to drop significantly and the cooled water was transported into the tunnel by the air flow.
Thus cooling the air.

If you find it too hot inside or on your porch and don't want to spend much money on cooling devices, put a (closed) tank with ice cubes behind your fan and let the fan blow cool air from the tank.
The REAL temperature will drop very fast.

 

13 hours ago, webfact said:

Phitsanulok police are intensifying their efforts to apprehend the remaining suspects to bring them to justice. The attack has cast a shadow over the traditional Songkran festivities, which are meant to be a time of joy and celebration.

The celebration of "Songkhran" as it should be and was introduced as an UNESCO world heritage, has turned into nationwide fights and sexual misbehave.
Not the "Joy and celebration" as it was meant to be.
Songkhran should be reduced to a few days and waterfights should be banned nationwide.
 

31 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Have you investigated why you are getting so many such scam calls/messages and done anything about them?

 

I don't spend time on investigate scammers.
I report and block/blacklist them, end of story.

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Happiness comes from inside, well done, Im jealouse 

 

May I ask how old you are

70 years

5 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Yes agree, for heavy/dangerous industries, but would you describe the ice factory involved last night as heavy/dangerous industry. Myself I would not, and believe that it would be practically impossible to move this type of premises out of local communities, because they have been established over sometime, serve the needs of the local communities and commercial businesses and could probably not survive financially if moved away so far.

 

Even in Rayong, not all the heavy industries have moved, for example around IRPC port on the eastern side of the city, and even the other industrial parks are seeing residential development to cater for staff in the factories.

 

I like the idea, but it would need a clear criteria for what industries would have to locate away from cities and towns. Would that be based on factory size, numbers employed, chemicals processes, dangerous goods used, etc.?

 

The leak last night only lead to 3 serious cases that  remain hospitalised for observation,  which is not nice for them, but can not be described as a disaster. More damage was done by the LPG leak/fire, from the kratom liquid seller that destroyed 3 houses earlier in the week. That may sound crass/uncaring, but in terms of crisis management, this was a very minor event, the factory is back up and running as normal today.

 

Thailand would benefit from a better safety culture and inspections, but incidents like this, where human error is being blamed, are very hard to regulate for. It looks dramatic in the news, but will be forgotten by most in a week.

"Heavy/Dangerous" industry is not based on solely 1 criteria.
The reason to move industries to an industrial zone is based on a whole list of criteria and is different for every country.
I agree with you that an Ice factory is hardly a heavy or dangerous industry and surely not at that size.

Thailand IS a third world country in many options.
I doubt that Thailand will change in that category in the next few years, but there is always hope.

I live alone, but I enjoy every day.

In the morning, I am busy with a little bit of homework (eating breakfast followed by morning ritual of trying to digest all the medication I need to take; cleaning; reading my emails; and other houshold things)

Around 1pm, I take a bath, dress myself and drive to a mall (The Mall, Terminal 21, Central Plaza, etc.).
Eat lunch and then go to a coffee shop where I drink a coffee and do some work on my Notebook (writing my website and doing some archiving).
Lunch + Coffee + cookie = < 200 Baht.
Enjoying the cool aircon and seeing friends and having a chat with other people.

Around 6pm, I pack my stuff, buy my dinner and drive home.

No time to feel bored or lonely.

1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

Thanks, good information, and got me thinking.
 

I hope they also reviewed the emergency response at the same time, as moving industries away from police, fire and ambulance stations will increase response times.

 

It also makes it interesting for emergency/crisis planning, with the industrial areas having a high daytime (working) risk profile and lower at night, and the city having a different risk profile, say medium daytime (hospitals, commercial, care facilities) and high at night (residential).

 

French firefighters (sapeurs-pompiers‘) in Paris (Army) and Marseille (Navy) are military, the rest of the country civilian, with about 75 % on call or volunteers, which would pose recruitment problems with a large work force away from the cities and towns, to do those part-time roles.

 

Sorry was thinking out loud and typing at the same time, went off subject, but made me wonder, that it could never work in the UK, but maybe ok for thailand, as many workers are bused to factories from Pattaya and Sattahip everyday, just can’t see the enforcement side working.

Rayong has a similar urbanisation, where most of the heavy industry is located in the Industrial Park.
In several cities in Thailand, industrial zones are being developped in a similar way as the French "Zone Industriele".
Hope that they succeed and move all heavy/dangerous industry out of the city centres.

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The Thai - Chinese Rayong Industrial Zone has become one of the biggest industrial cluster centers and manufacturing export bases in Thailand and ASEAN for China's traditional advantageous industries, such as new technologies, new energy, new materials, vehicle parts, machinery, and household electrical appliances.

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1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

This is the same worldwide. Countries may have zoning to remove high risk processing from residential areas, but many hazard will still be found. Thailand is not unique with these dangers.

 

An example I will highlight, is from the UK, Buncefield Oil Terminal, Hemel Hempstead, where a large oil terminal fire occurred, and the initial explosion blue out windows in surrounding property.

 

France started in the '70's to require that all industries should be moved to a "Zone Industriële".

This had a lot of benefits, apart from the security aspect.

Less or no heavy traffic in the cities; Easy logistics; Easy access to security departments (Fire brigade; Ambulance;Etc.)

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Yet    again commercial businesses in the residential areas.

Korat does it better.

 

1 hour ago, paddypower said:

sounds like you might have had a mid-life crisis? (I've had at least 3 (starting at 40). Or depression (ditto for me since I had a mental breakdown at 52 from overwork). Good to see you have found your true self. very few people are that lucky.

Not a mid-life crisis.

Read the whole story here:

www.child-abduction.net

4629 / 108 = 42.86 deaths per day.
Nothing to brag about.

32 minutes ago, kwilco said:

It is good to see an article that doesn't regurgitate the same old cliches about road safety - namely "bad drivers" DUI  deaths per 10ok pop and playing the blame game

What I would like to see is a stat about the REAL number of people that becomes disabled for life and become a real burden to the Thai society because of this.

"Every year, about 1 million people become disabled and become a burden to the Thai society" (500 million baht according to this report).
Assuming that this number remains unchanged over the years, in 30 years time half of the Thai population would be disabled.

This assumption doesn't take into account the number of people which get disabled by other causes (Loss of limbs because of Diabetes and other diseases; Loss of limbs because of industrial accidents; People born disabled; etc.)

I can not believe that the Thai authorities haven't calculated this evolution.

8 hours ago, Korat Kiwi said:

In NZ there is a proliferation of kids doing ram raids, not just on convience stores but within malls too.  Why?  Because they know they can get away with it. 

 

If they do get caught they are of the age where they don't go to jail but attend a youth court. Too soft IMHO. 

This was already being practice in England long ago:

Age of criminality

The age of criminal responsibility in England and Wales is 10 years old. This means that children under 10 can’t be arrested or charged with a crime. There are other punishments that can be given to children under 10 who break the law.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/youth-crime

https://www.who.int/thailand/news/feature-stories/detail/turning-tragedy-into-action--advocacy-and-survival-on-thailand-s-roads#:~:text=In Thailand%2C road traffic accidents,sole cause of these accidents.

In Thailand, road traffic accidents result in about 20,000 deaths and a million injuries each year, incurring an economic loss of 500,000 million baht. While drunk driving is a significant contributing factor, it is not the sole cause of these accidents. This photo essay goes beyond the statistics, portraying the real faces and stories of survivors, advocating for urgent reforms and heightened road safety awareness. It aims to transform impersonal data into powerful narratives of human resilience, underscoring the need for safer roads.

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The actual numbers of fatalaties is also a falicy. Some say it's only those who die at the scene are counted but a senior doctor at a major hospital told me it's within a 24 hr period. Either way many will succumb to their injuries after the fact. As for traffic going slow I'm not sure I totally agree with you on this. Yes traffic is slow but idiots will try to get through faster.

The numbers listed are the "people who died at the spot" and "people who were injured by the accident".
From the "people who were injured by the accident" some of them will die in the following days and will be added to the tally .
The 206 deaths are not all people who died on the spot, but includes also people who were injured previously at the accident but died in the following days at the hospital.
Only a total count at the end of the year can be count as more or less accurate casualty count.

Also: "A fatality is defined as a death within 30 days of a crash." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_Thailand_by_year)

https://www.thairsc.com/eng/

 

4 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

I have survived  decades of the Songkran madness, and  completely unscathed, it's not that difficult for those with a bit of common sense.  There are more than likely some who are regularly involved in Songkran incidents maybe even every year, we can draw our own conclusions why that might be  

Seems like you have the secret to the Holy Grail.
The secret to avoid road accidents in Thailand.
Would you please share your knowledge with us and reduce the road accidents to "0". 

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

What would be the point other than morbid curiosity?   It might sound heartless but I really could not care less, I have survived  decades of the Songkran madness, and  completely unscathed, it's not that difficult for those with a bit of common sense.  There are more than likely some who are regularly involved in Songkran incidents maybe even every year, we can draw our own conclusions why that might be  

Research and Statistical interests.

I don't give a flying f//k about your "achievements" at Songkran.

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is an arrogant fool, who was booted out of immigration, due to his constant ranting about the evil nature of foreigners.

Whatever evil you wish upon others will return to you in 10-fold, dixit the teachings of Buddha.
 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

A total of 1,564 road accidents, with 1,593 injuries and 206 deaths

I would like to see a breakdown into GRAVE INJURIES (loss of limbs, brain damage, etc.) and minor injuries (non-lethal injuries).
How many of these 1,593 injuries will be disabled for life and become a burden to the society?
Accumulating every year on.