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This is from the DLT which says you need a visa to apply for a Thai drivers license. 

Yes I know you are going to say this is a bunch of lies too. 

N CASE OF FOREIGNER RENEW THAI DRIVING LICENCE [BY YOURSELF]
FROM TWO-YEAR (DRIVING LICENCE) TO FIVE-YEARS DRIVING LICENCE

https://www.dlt.go.th/en/two-year-license/

There are a number of websites that prove that you need a Non Immigrant Visa when applying for a work permit. And this is one of them.

"Step 2: Obtaining the Thai Work Permit

Employee provided work permit documents:

• Passport - copies of every page. Each copy must be signed by employee.
• Non-Immigrant Visa
• Departure Card TM.6
• Education degree (signed copy) *
• Transcript (signed copy) *
• Certificates or licenses held by applicant (signed copy) *
• CV or Resume - describe in detail the applicant's past positions, duties, performance, length and place of employment.
• Photos, three (3) in quantities which are 5 x 6 centimeters in size (not passport photos) with full face and taken wearing business attire (no hat and some jurisdictions require suit and tie). This must have been taken within six (6) months before the application for the Thai work permit.
• Marriage Certificate (if married to Thai National). This includes the original and signed photocopies. Also include wife's Thai ID card, birth certificates of children, and household registration."

https://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-work-permit.php

12 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

You should really read your own post. I responded to what you wrote, not what you imagined you wrote

 

however in respect of Thailand a 10 second search comes up with this titled “Extension of temporary stay under Section 15”
 

https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?page_id=2324

 

so are you trying to deliberately misrepresent the truth? Or are your searches incompetent?

Do you know what section 15 is about? If you do not know you can read this link. 

https://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/immigration-act.html

7 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Thanks, but the arguments are facetious and so easy to debunk.

No you do not. 
If you are in Thailand you must have been given “permission to stay” based on entering on a Non-B or a Non-O based on being married to a Thai national, there may be other visa entries that permit work but these are the 2 main ones

YES YOU DO. 

I believe that the desire to have a "Permission To Stay" is much greater than the knowledge you may have about Thailand.

"A foreigner is eligible to apply for a work permit as long as he has a non-immigrant visa or a resident visa, has an available employer who will provide documents for work permit, and the occupation he will perform is not prohibited to foreigners."

https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/work-permit-requirements

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Excellent post.

Sadly Buckley,s to None the OP take any notice of your precise post.

 

 

 

But he does not answer my question. 

7 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

My 30 second search tells me that you are either terribly incompetent in searching or are lying to try to prove your claims are valid

 

https://www.uscis.gov/visit-the-united-states/extend-your-stay

https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/services/visas/extension_of_stay.html

https://www.pica.gov.jm/immigration/extension-of-stays

https://www.ica.gov.sg/enter-depart/extend_short_stay

 

these are on the first page of the search using the terms “Extension Of Stay” and only cover 4 governments, there are many more.

 

I don't know if I'm going to laugh or cry. What has that got to do with Thailand?

22 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

The problem you are having is that Thai officials and all immigration officials use Thai as the overruling authority. They use English as a convince for the vast majority of people who don’t read Thai. 
 

You are also giving a link to a Sukhumvit law firm that you claim to be a udon immigration site. The real Udon immigration site is at https://udonthani.immigration.go.th

 

 

So all your protestations of the terms are rubbish and your insistence on the meanings are totally baseless, Thais will use something that is similar to the concept but not exactly the same

 

As everyone is telling you a single entry visa is used and no longer valid as soon as you are granted permission to stay in Thailand. Visas in Thailand are never extended despite your instance.

 

A Thai visa allows you to present yourself to an immigration officer the IO will usually then mark the visa as used and give you permission to stay, again usually, based on the visa you have or don’t have.

 

In most cases this permission to stay can be extended, in some cases it will allow you to apply for a visa in Thailand, that the English translation says you must have a visa to apply makes no difference, you no longer have a valid visa as it is used or you never had one.

The visa you are granted in Thailand will be immediately marked as used and you will be given a permission to stay, so this visa will have a life of minutes before it is used.

 

It is the wording on the passport 

 

“EXTENSION OF STAY PERMITTED”

“APPLICATION OF STAY IS UNDER CONSIDERATION”

”TO KEEP YOUR STAY PERMIT,”

 

all of these are synonymous with “permission to stay”

 

 

 

there is nothing about a visa extension (because visas can never be extended). However much you may wriggle and insist that the English meaning is correct you are wrong. 

If you can't answer this question please don't waste my time with rubbish like this.

Do you need a VISA when you apply for a work permit in Thailand? 

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

I don't a visa in my passport. I only have a reverence to the non-o visa I applied for many years ago at a consulate and the entry stamp for when I used it,

All my stamps are for extensions of stay or the the under consideration stamp for them,

What does it takes to make you understand that what you have is a VISA? 

See what comes up when you search for "Extension Of Stay". Absolutely nothing except a visa to Thailand. And that tells you nothing?

Now there has been a Pandemic and there has been talk of foreigners who have been stranded in Thailand and visas have been extended. And recently the Immigration Office has introduced an online visa extension. Something that doesn't tell you anything either?

And what about all those sites, official and commercial, that confirms that it is a VISA. Still no reaction?

I honestly think that if the foreign minister of Thailand had "screamed" into your ears that it is a visa, I think you would still not have believed that it is a VISA.  

This is a link from the Immigration Office in Udon Thani where it is clearly stated that it is a visa. 

To be completely honest, it is beyond my comprehension to understand why people cling to this "Permission To Stay". It doesn't make any sense. 

https://www.thailandimmigration.org/retirement-visa-for-thailand/
 

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

How is it relevant to the post you quoted.

It proves that you have a visa. Please watch the video and you will understand. 

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I cannot recall a thread where someone has been incorrect is every single post. 

Clearly you are just being mischievous.

At the very least read posts from ubonjoe and try and understand them. 

As someone posted earlier the thread should be closed as you continue to post incorrect information. 

Could you please tell me what is not correct in this link from the Immigration Office.

https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?p=14714

This lawer from Integrety Legal in Bangkok has lived in Thailand for 30 years and has a Thai citizenship. In this video he explains what a Re Entry Permit Is and why you need one. 
 

21 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is only the type of visa you used when entering the country or changed to at immigration. For a visa exempt entry extension you could put none.

You cannot extend a visa.

Do you honestly believe that what the Immigration Office says in this link is not true?

https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?p=14714

And what about the new service Immigration Office offers online Visa Extension? Something everyone is talking about. Is this also not true?

https://asq.in.th/thailand-e-extension-electronic-visa-extension

4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

A extension of your permit to stay done by a TM7 form.

For a visa applied for at immigration it is called.

A permit to say is what you get when entering the country with a visa or visa exempt. Same after applying for a visa at immigration.

 

Form TM7 is used when applying for an extension of a Visa Exemption, Tourist Visa and a Non Immigrant Visa. EVERYONE gets the same stamp in their passport. The term "Extension Of Stay" is a common heading for all 3. And please note where it says "Kind of visa" on form TM7. It's where you fill in what kind of visa you wish to extend. Iff you have a Visa Exemption you fill in "Visa Exemption".

It is obvious that you have a visa based on the heading on TM86. 

4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Any single visa is only good for one entry to the country and becomes invalid on the day you use it for entry the country. The allowed stay from it starts from moment the stamp is done in your passport. Same for the non-o visa issued at immigration is the same way and it states it is only valid for the day it issued.

Wrong. With a single Entry Visa, a Tourist Visa, a Non Immigrant and a Resident Visa, you can leave Thailand and come back to Thailand before the visa expires iff you have a Re Entry Permit. And you can do so because you have a VISA and NOT a "Permission Of Stay". 

17 minutes ago, jimn said:

Close the thread. The OP is obviously trying to wind people up.

I am NOT trying to "wind" anyone up. This is a serious thread where I want to shed light on this belief that one does not have a visa, but a "Permission Of Stay".

There is not a single proof of this "Permission Of Stay", but a lot of proof that there is a visa in Thailand. And the most solid evidence comes from the Immigration Office. But for some strange reason, many people do not want to believe that.

The list is long when it comes to the requirement for a Non Immigrant Visa.
Proof of residence at the Immigration Office, Purchase of a car/motorcycle in your own name, Yellow Book, Pink ID card, Often for a  Thai bank account, Work permit and Resident Permit. But these are just some of the things you need a Non Immigrant Visa for.

Instead of sulking, you can prove me wrong if you can.

14 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You get a visa stamp that states non-o on it that is only valid for the day it is issued and a entry stamp starting a 90 day stay in the country on that day,

So the same day I have a Non Immigrant Visa, but not the next? Do you understand that contradicts a "Permision To Stay" from the moment you leave the Immigration Office until 2400 the same day?

If you lose your visa when passing the passport control, why don't you lose your visa when you leave the Immigration Office?

7 minutes ago, ozfarang said:

Is that quote in english?

 

Not sure what you are trying to tell me regarding 'your' immigration office

My experience after 22 years in Thailand Immigration Offices in Thailand usually treat foreigners with respect (kind of).

18 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

A visa cannot be extended.

 

Sure? There is this website from the Immigration Office head office, but most local offices also having their own websites with the same information.

https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?p=14714

28 minutes ago, ozfarang said:

I'm literate and can read and write english so no need for help filling in forms.

 

Just don't need to be stuffed around with the forever changing requirements for visa extensions and dealing with non english speaking immigration officers. After 42 years being stuffed around at various immigration officers around Thailand I've had enough.

 

My agent handles all my visa, 90 day reporting and extensions.

 

Thanks for your advice regarding the use of an agent

At my Immigration Office NO ONES is f..... with you.

6 minutes ago, ozfarang said:

I use and agent so I don't have your problems with Immigration.

In fact I don't need to go to Immigration at all

I have lived i Thailand for 22 years and I have had a Non Immigrant Visa for the same period of time. It takes me 30-40 min. at my local Immigration Office to extend my visa and the fee is 1900 baht. There is NO NEED for a visa agent. If you have a problem with filling in form TM7 the Immigration Office even do that for you. 

When you have had a tourist visa changed to a Non Immigrant Visa at the Immigration Office you get a stamp in your passport that says "Non Immigrant" and NOT "Permision To Stay". 

If you believe that you lose your tourist visa and you get a "Permision To Stay", then the natural question is when will you lose this Non Immigrant Visa they gave you at the Immigration Office. Do you get a USED stamp in your passport before you go out the door to the Immigration Office or is this something that happens automatically? 

20 minutes ago, ozfarang said:

if you are confused just visit an Immigration office and they will give you the correct form you need to fill in for a change of stay in Thailand.

How hard could that be?

 

If you want to continue to argue over technicalities then keep going.......

I am not confused at all. And you should not be either if you read what the Immigration Office says on their website. 

7 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

You're hung on terminology. Seems like you're not really trying to understand which form to use and how, but just cling to your original question for argument sake.

I'm not an expert on the different TM forms but from all above replies I already understand that a person that enters Thailand on visa exempt has to use form A in order to change the the type\length of permit to stay and a person that enters on a tourist visa has to use form B.

As explained in earlier replies, the visa you had is not lost, but used, meaning if you exit Thailand and enter again you won't be able to use that visa. But your permit to stay is based on the visa you have (or lack of).

You DO NOT have a "permission to stay". What you have is a VISA. That is why you can change a Tourist Viso to a Non Immigrant Visa at the Immigration Office. Please read what the Immigration Office says on their website.