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No way, though I would like to see the Baht drop down to about 40-45+ to the US $ and exports raise up.

What about Mung? Eee and I ?

Sold time share in Pattaya, havening no experience in sales (huge pain barrier)...turned out ok, though I would never want to have to do it again.

And as for "Living in a Man's World" as it was put earlier by another poster. I agree the laws here in Thailand are certainly male dominated. However any historian will tell you Freedom is never Free. If Thai women want equal rights bad enough they will have to stand up and fight for them like their sisters abroad. No body is just going to give someone their freedom... it must be earned, often fought for, bleed for, died for even. Thai women apparently aren't ready for that yet. Though one day perhaps, but obviously not today. I guess they need to be more willing to stand up against their parents before they are ready to tackle political change.

Just interested - when in history did men stand up and fight , bleed & die for their rights? I'm not talking race or religion or class fights here, just as you aren't about women, I'm talking when did men as a gender have to fight to get their rights? Never, as far as I know. Somebody "just gave them their freedom". Funny that.

Also, how do you know Thai women aren't ready for this yet? Have you done a survey? Research? Or are you just generalising?

This thread isn't about women's rights or feminism. It's about the fundamental basic human right not to be subjected to rape, particularly by someone you are married to - or rather, the fact that Thai lawmakers seem to think this scenario is OK. It's not OK for anyone to be raped - man or woman.

I understand the sensitive nature of topic and your latent hostility to anyone whom you feel is defending violence against women. I however am not. As for men defending or fighting for their rights....please this is by far the most primal struggle of man kind. From the very beginning we have fought first against nature and the elements just to simply survive. Going back to our beginning as we took the role of the hunter gatherer. Is eating a right? Do you have to earn the right not to starve to death? Then it was and then it was men winning the right for his people to live and prosper. Men fought, against nature, hostile environments, illness and most harshly, each other to earn his freedom to prosper and grow. And we still do.

Like it or not, Truth is not always a pleasure to behold, but it is no less the Truth. Freedom is not free, anyone, man or woman, who is being oppressed, will not know it with out having earned it.

Now weather or not Thai women as a group have started fighting against this type of inequity, I would bet they have, have they fought hard and or smart enough for it....well I'll let that judgment to be made by the individual beholders. For me it's pretty much a mote point, though I wish them luck and may the Goddess bless their struggle and see that it bear fruit more palatable that it has thus far.

Please don't make me out to be a militant feminist. I'm not. I don't even think I'd class myself as a feminist, per se. I just have this annoying trait that forces me to challenge bs when I hear (read) it, be it from man or woman. And I still think you're talking bs. Going back to prehistory, hunter gatherers - oh, c'mon. First of all, pre history means just that "before written documentation". Yes, a lot has been gleaned from cave drawings & remains, but you cannot tell me as a certainty that men suffered & challenged the elements to find the food while the women sat & filed their nails (or the prehistoric equivalent)

And as for freedom having to be fought for, when did you last have to fight against oppression (as a man, not any other factors which may or may not affect you)? As a woman, I haven't. The suffragettes did my fighting for me 100 years ago. I am in the enviable position now of not really having to regard my gender as regards my rights or what I am entitled to. I read that in the last US election an alarming amount of women didn't even bother to vote, such is the complacency of those who have had their rights won for them & don't need to bother now. Women, as a gender, have had those rights for perhaps a century, men since prehistory.

I have no latent hostility towards you, I just think in this instance you're talking bs. And being extremely patronising; the Goddess??? OMG!

Sorry, LL. I've taken this terribly and, as I said before, I know this topic has nothing to do with feminism - it's my annoying trait again. Sorry!

Firstly you allow your latent militant feminism push you to ill thought out conclusions. I said Goddess because I meant Goddess, I'm Wiccan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca ). I was not being condescending as you so insecurely jumped to assume.

Secondly, What I described in my last post was the most simple and basic of universal gender rolls. Man = Provider, Protector, Leader of Men, Head of Household. Woman = Nurturer, child rearing, Home making, reminder of conscience, comforter, keeper of women's mysteries (yes, even after scores of millenia, you wonderful creatures still elude or simple comprehension)

Taken in proper context and adjusted slightly for time and place these time tested rolls are a beautiful thing. However you needn't look far to see what happens when they are abused as what obviously is happening here in Thailand with woman's leagle rights against rape.

I am not arguing the ethics of weather it is right or wrong that Thai women will need to stand up for themselves and fight for their rights. No, I'm simply pointing out a fact, as ugly as it may be it is a fact none the less. For if not nothing will change.

thais being xenophobic.?

biggest load of bollicks ive ever heard and it never ceases to amaze me that people keep throwing this one up.

every where i go in los i dont encounter it. i mean where are you guys hanging out to form such an opinion.?

i suppose if you got a bad attitude you might think the thais have got it in for you but the normal well ajusted punter will usually have a fine time in los.

XENOPHOBIA = noun = " intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries."

who in there right mind would say that this is how the average thai thinks?

get a grip people.

Guess you aren't Indian or African then? Try asking someone from there.

ok then,

try being indian, african or black in your home country and see how you go.

at least they dont shoot them here.

thats a rediculous come back as that true in every country on this earth.

if your not white your behind the 8 ball.

so by your reconing every country on this earth is xenophobic?

whats makes los different ?

Well Put, well put.

I would have just got cash, I mean if they are right door to each other, just have them hand you three 100K stacks, walk next door and deposit... simple, easy, and no drama. I hate checks in Thailand traveler's cashiers, whatever they tend to act like you just handed them a strip of soiled toilet paper when they see it.

Mabey it's just me, but I find that it's rarely a pleasant experience.

And as for "Living in a Man's World" as it was put earlier by another poster. I agree the laws here in Thailand are certainly male dominated. However any historian will tell you Freedom is never Free. If Thai women want equal rights bad enough they will have to stand up and fight for them like their sisters abroad. No body is just going to give someone their freedom... it must be earned, often fought for, bleed for, died for even. Thai women apparently aren't ready for that yet. Though one day perhaps, but obviously not today. I guess they need to be more willing to stand up against their parents before they are ready to tackle political change.

Just interested - when in history did men stand up and fight , bleed & die for their rights? I'm not talking race or religion or class fights here, just as you aren't about women, I'm talking when did men as a gender have to fight to get their rights? Never, as far as I know. Somebody "just gave them their freedom". Funny that.

Also, how do you know Thai women aren't ready for this yet? Have you done a survey? Research? Or are you just generalising?

This thread isn't about women's rights or feminism. It's about the fundamental basic human right not to be subjected to rape, particularly by someone you are married to - or rather, the fact that Thai lawmakers seem to think this scenario is OK. It's not OK for anyone to be raped - man or woman.

I understand the sensitive nature of topic and your latent hostility to anyone whom you feel is defending violence against women. I however am not. As for men defending or fighting for their rights....please this is by far the most primal struggle of man kind. From the very beginning we have fought first against nature and the elements just to simply survive. Going back to our beginning as we took the role of the hunter gatherer. Is eating a right? Do you have to earn the right not to starve to death? Then it was and then it was men winning the right for his people to live and prosper. Men fought, against nature, hostile environments, illness and most harshly, each other to earn his freedom to prosper and grow. And we still do.

Like it or not, Truth is not always a pleasure to behold, but it is no less the Truth. Freedom is not free, anyone, man or woman, who is being oppressed, will not know it with out having earned it.

Now weather or not Thai women as a group have started fighting against this type of inequity, I would bet they have, have they fought hard and or smart enough for it....well I'll let that judgment to be made by the individual beholders. For me it's pretty much a mote point, though I wish them luck and may the Goddess bless their struggle and see that it bear fruit more palatable that it has thus far.

And as for "Living in a Man's World" as it was put earlier by another poster. I agree the laws here in Thailand are certainly male dominated. However any historian will tell you Freedom is never Free. If Thai women want equal rights bad enough they will have to stand up and fight for them like their sisters abroad. No body is just going to give someone their freedom... it must be earned, often fought for, bleed for, died for even. Thai women apparently aren't ready for that yet. Though one day perhaps, but obviously not today. I guess they need to be more willing to stand up against their parents before they are ready to tackle political change.

While any one with a thread of decency knows that rape is inherently wrong and evil jursidiction over it in the bedrooms of married couples has got to be tough. I know I would not want to be the judge. I mean think about it, the wife thinks her husband is cheating on her or she wants to divorce him, or any vendictive reason she has to get at him. All she has to do is say "My husband raped me". Prove her to be wrong??? how?? Were to begin? Ok, medical tests prove they had sex... they are married, thats normal, Ok there is some evidence of it being rough, aside from bruises from blatant assult (which is still a crime) how do you judge that????

Hehe cute book, Though I almost fail to see the need for it other than to categorize in broad generalizations the nature of various nationalities of forgieners. And perhaps the lifestyle differences in their home nations. Because it really can't be difficult for Thai girls of any caliber to get a "Farang"

boyfriend I mean you see it all, from the lowest dregs to those who are cultured and of means. The trick I think would be for them is to marry up

I like the lack of Christian influence here.

I like the lack of Zionist influence here

I like the lack of Islamic influence here

I like the lack of all 3 !

I lived there for 3 months a few years ago. It was pretty miserable. Pheom Pen was second only to Baghdad in respect to dilapidated capitol cities. And the whole place seemed to have a grim moody feel...not allot of smiles in Cambodia.

W00t! Bayan Tree Club baby

I hooked my dad up yesterday with a Suite on the Club Floor of the Bayan Tree hotell and today I am taking him to Pattaya.... "Too Buushi (Bushwa'??? I know I messed up the spelling, you know that french word borshwa, given to upper class members of society) for me, everyone seems to be acting funny...gimme my convient Pattaya anyway."

Wrong spelling: "Bourgeois" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie)

And you won't say that anyway ... "Too nouveau riche" is better :-)

Thanks I could not for the life of me remember how to spell that, now nouveau riche implies NEW money spending in a gaudy fashion, say some Issan bar girl getting money and wearing 20 baht of gold and her bar girl uniform to the opera. Bourgeoisie, or the ebonisied shortened pronuciation that sounds like "Booshee" means anything really stereotypically High End.

Thanks again for the spelling though..

W00t! Bayan Tree Club baby

I hooked my dad up yesterday with a Suite on the Club Floor of the Bayan Tree hotell and today I am taking him to Pattaya.... "Too Buushi (Bushwa'??? I know I messed up the spelling, you know that french word borshwa, given to upper class members of society) for me, everyone seems to be acting funny...gimme my convient Pattaya anyway."

Now me I like the Bayan Tree, but I also like Pattaya too, dose that make me a quality Tourist and my Old Man not? or are neither one of us in that catagory unless we drop like 10 grand a trip?

Who knows who cares, Thailand will continue to attract who it attracts... They need to do something about the herds of Chineese tour buss rabble that shove their way around every were. You know they have problems when you go to the Imperial Palace for example and all the signs are in Thai and English EXCEPT for one in the bathrooms outside were there is just a sign inside next to the stalls thats ONLY in chineese....one can only imagine what the staff saw from the chineese there that made them feel as though they needed a message to adress them ONLY before they used the can. *shudder*

No way in hel_l thats quality.

who invented the TV? who invented the telephone?who invented the modern medicine?who invented the cars?who invented the computers?who invented the democracy?

I think we deserved our place in the world without being discriminated !

stand up for yourself ....

I pay 2 times more, because I'm worth a 100 more ... still hate it anyway !

And people like you are exactly why you are discriminated against. Did YOU invent the TV or the telephone or anything for that matter? As if to think your blood makes you worth more than the next man..only to a terrorist in Iraq with a orange suit to fit you in perhaps. But in reality it's word and deed (and more importantly how well they match up) that makes one man better than the next. Think about that the next time you let some one worth "100 times less" than you steal your money.

Watch the baht in the coming days and months............

I can only pray, I hope their moronic endeavors push it back down to 40-45 to the dollar or more. When it dose I will do a lil happy "Sum num Na" dance of Joy as I put the down payment on my house

Just don't stand for it, if you know your getting ganked tell them politely "Mung! Ben Heeya Arai??? Pom Meedai quai!" and find someone else, even if it is a pain in the ass don't take racist attacks against you lieing down. And yes I don't care what anyone says, I (unlike most farangs here) have been exposed to racisim all my life I know bigotry when I see it.

Unless it is a national park or other govt, tax sponcered venue that Thai Tax Baht support. Then their should be 1 price period.

And to all you yellow backed spineless bitches who thing we should pay more because we are farangs and we have money...that is even MORE racist than being over charged!!!

I told my Fiance' (Thai) about someone's comment about how we should pay more because we are farang and have money, and she said "What the hel_l??? what like we don't have money? do I look like some chili farmer from Issan? Why do the white man always think he is the only one with money?"

My gf says if your going to have mixed kids in Thailand that you have to have enough money to send them to a private school. If they go to a government school, they will be assumed to be the kids of a prostitute. This is just what she told me.

I did have friends who sent their luuk khreung kids to a local government school in Mae Rim, north of Chiang Mai, about 10 years ago, and they finally had to take them out due to maltreatment from everyone, students, faculty, and even the bus driver until they paid a nak leng to inform the bus driver that one more incident and he would be in a world of hurt.

My own luuk khreung kids have never had any problems within our village area when visiting Thailand, nor elsewhere in the Kingdom for the most part, and are both well liked by all the local people within thambon, as are all my in-laws. My son speaks nearly fluent village style Northern Thai, filled with local slang, that further endears him to his lifetime pals and turns heads in the city where most of the luuk kreung speak far more polite Thai. But he sometimes overhears rude remarks and he is aware of the racism where it does exist. He is also smart enough to let it go and fortunately, when in Thailand, he is usually in the company of good friends who are tough ass rice farmer's kids who are usually left alone by others.

The more interesting thing is that here in the US, both my kids hang out mostly with other Asian kids who are not Amerasian. They identify themselves more as Asian than as Causasian. Am I being rejected?

Nahh it happens. I'm Mixed Black/White and I NEVER considered myself white, nor have I met anyone like my self or others mixed with white that strongly identify with being white. I'm sure it happens but it's usualy rare.

Well how about the double price smams AGAINST Thais???

I heard that a bus ticket to Kho Samui the other day, would cost 450 for a ferang or 700 baht for a Thai.

Secondly - FERANG ARE RICHER THAN THAIS - its a fact. Paying an extra quid for something when we can easily afford it is fine by me - stop being such tight fisted @*$&@($%&$($('s

:-)

What a Plonker

Naka.

Indeed why not just pay more to everyone who has less money than you untill your broke and see if the favor gets returned. What a wiped moron.

National Parks no problem, They are supported by Thai taxes, if you don't pay tax, cough up your fair due and pay the 400baht.

HOWEVER thats were the line is drawn...everything else is just racist bullshit and I make it a point to never support any business or persons that will charge me more because I'm not Thai. UNLESS they are supported by Govt Tax money then it's all good and understandable. But for private businesses that try and pull that shit, I hate them with a passion. And I loath the yellow back gutless farang who KNOWS he's being screwed and just bends over and takes it without a fight...like he has some farang guilt complex or something over having a lil dough in his pocket, so he's ready to let some bigot looser screw him out of it.

BKK for generations...

The only thing that bothers me a lil about paying a truck load of Sin Sot (which I am), is that Thai families usually help their son with the sin sot. When you see some young Thai paying 500,000 baht it's usually his DADDY's money. Where as we generally come up with all the bread ourselves without the family support mechanisms they have YET we are generally expected to pay more!. SO I think for us when we pay a Sin Sot it actually means allot more.

become my neighbhor in a small tranquil kibbutz outside of jerusalem. we can teach u how to go thru any kind of bomb threat search scare or reality (been there donethat one too); and u know what? after my minor car crash due to stupid soldier girl in a hurry to get to her base on time, it makes me rethink that i should move to the states due to crazy israeli drivers. the bombs are less of a problem me thinks...at least the drivers in america are more polite after they crash into u...

grow up. the only way to ensure that u wont die in a bomb, car crash, freak accident or whatever , is to be already dead.......

bina

<deleted> do crazy ISRAELI drivers have to do with Victory Monument, Chit Lom and Pratunam bombings? My daddy always told me to stay away from anything Israeli

Smart Dad!

Mossfin, what Chuchok actually said was "you're the only farang in Thailand that I've heard of that benefits FINANCIALLY after marrying an Isarn farmer's daughter. Are you sure you do?" You had some serious personal problems before getting involved with her that were hindering your financial capabilities. She apparently was/is good for you and helped you to get on the straight and narrow. However this would have no doubt been the case had you just lived with her.

Perhaps what he was getting at is that by the act of marriage it's self he can't see how one could come out more liquid by wedding a Isarn farmer's daughter.

And to be quite blunt, had you had your life together and not have been a alcoholic you would not have gained financially (even indirectly as you mentioned.) from being with her.

Suay Di Pee Mai (Happy New Year)

I always see so many answers for this question of Sin Sot and people tend to judge the action by it's dollar value alone, while the quality of the woman and her family are never really considered. To me this is the real factor. Personally I hate the Sin Sot deal with a passion. And from what I can gather so do most Thai Men, even if they won't openly admit to it in the company of their wives. However, I require my Thai Fiance' and her family to adapt and accept a number of my cultural nuances and personal back ground issues (X wife and child from previous marriage) so I am willing to meet them half way and do the Sin Sot considering she is everything I want and a few things I never knew I liked

However if I was settling for a woman of a lower caliber or from a family that would most likely end up attempting to leech off me, I would not be so accommodating. That said I am deep in the "Normal w/out children 500,000 +" category, however if I were to have settled with a X- Hoe or a woman with children I would not ever pay Sin Sot. For the simple fact that no Thai man would pay sin sot for a hoe, so why should I? Is he better than me? And if she already has kids from a prior marriage then she already got a sin sot. You don't pay twice.