Blackfox

Turning Thailand into the West is the only thing that will ruin Thailand. They've done fine without the West for a few thousand years.

And, what would you call failure? What do you call smart? What is the standard for success? Look how many products are imported from Thailand. Back in the States, I didn't see many things with made in England on them, or Australia, or even "Made in USA."

And, as far as speaking English? Why? People want diversity so they can go to McDonalds' in Russia? English is a very clumsy language. (Not that many others are better.) Let's not put your own laziness for not learning a foreign language as a noose around anothers' neck.

Thailand is ruining itself without any help at all, if done fine = todays mess then it clearly hasn't, high murder rate high road casualty, Junta in power etc, is any quality item made in Thailand I don't mean "assembled" ? Thailand is used for cheap labour .

Does it really make any difference if you are driven to off yourself? I believe Thailand's suicide rate is only a small fraction of the rates in Japan or Korea. And the biggest reason Farangs commit suicide in Thailand is they have to leave. Now what's that all about?

Having worked with locals in South Korea (Engineering), many of them told me they were unsatisfied with the quality of life; all work, not enough play. The South Koreans have come a long way since war in the early 50's however, the country's drive and success has cost some mental anguish, enough to "check out".

Farangs here by contrast in my opinion, spent the last of their money, lost their wife and life as a consequence, having little to nothing back home, so take to the balcony.

I feel for the young Koreans but not for the Farang...but that's just me.

Turning Thailand into the West is the only thing that will ruin Thailand. They've done fine without the West for a few thousand years.

And, what would you call failure? What do you call smart? What is the standard for success? Look how many products are imported from Thailand. Back in the States, I didn't see many things with made in England on them, or Australia, or even "Made in USA."

And, as far as speaking English? Why? People want diversity so they can go to McDonalds' in Russia? English is a very clumsy language. (Not that many others are better.) Let's not put your own laziness for not learning a foreign language as a noose around anothers' neck.

I do speak Thai mate and have a little grasp on the written text. I also also speak Portuguese (60%).

"They've done fine without the West for a few thousand years."

Globalisation…it's a different world now brother irrespective of who likes it or not.

"And, what would you call failure? What do you call smart?"

Having the intellect or smarts is not the point…its education and opportunity; better found in my home country.

My wife's niece went to the state school in Chonburi. She is now studying clinical medicine on an international English speaking course at a university in China and she was awarded a scholarship on her first year results. She did fairly well at school but was not at the top of the class. It is not all bad.

While in the mean time 100 000 doctors working in Thailand can not speak a word of English and prescribe antibiotic for muscle pain.

Why should they speak a foreign language? Speak to the doctor in Thai, its Thailand

Because they are charging western prices, International hospitals and dont speak English...Many examples of this. What a joke....

My Thai hospital just called to confirm an appointment and she spoke perfect English. I would find another hospital if she didn't speak excellent English.

Maybe you really should try learning basic Thai then, opens a lot of doors,(to hospitals) 555

Learn the alphabet first, then read Thai, the rest is so much easier from there...try it!

Give yourself 10-15 years, if you don't learn by then, give up....5555 sorry, just kidding

Every Westerner residing here should be learning the language; many do however, in relation to the thread, every Western father to a luk kreung child should make it paramount to get their child to one of the best schools...that'll perhaps be the equivalent of a standard education in home country.

Anything less, it's possible that child's education and opportunities will be substandard and restricted.

Input from parents is also a must.

I don't have a child yet, but when the day comes, it'll be a move home after 5-8 years of age.

I'd want my child to have the same opportunities I had.

Since many agree that education here fails miserably by comparison to the west, I'm surprised more mixed families don't pack up for the benefit of their children's young eager minds.

Accuracy and merit from the above two posts however, Canada only joined the League of Nations in 1920 and joined the UN in 1945.

Not to dissimilar to Australia...landmass included.

We, the Australians, have a comparable education system but have a closer proximity to Asia providing greater opportunities for trade and relationship.

Not to mention, our climate is far more favourable, albeit extreme.

In comparison to the USA, we don't have the same economical divide (not yet), and also don't possess the "God" thing.

Education is learning, questioning, trying, growing, and formulating ones own beliefs, drives and wishes, with the assistance from qualified teachers and parents.

Unfortunately, a good education here is dependent on $$$'s, unlike Australia, Canada, and USA.

We, from the developed world have the luxury of a good education irrespective of our financial position.

Yet, a misfortune in our world, partly due to the economical divide is, students squander this opportunity and have no farking idea just how fortunate they are.

This difference does see sharp, hard working Thai students excel by comparison.

However, where I am living, it's those with the Chinese ancestry and "drive" that are beginning to supersede many from our countries.

Just my thoughts after a 2 hour lesson with my 6 year Thai niece earlier, followed by assistance to my Thai wife with our work, in conjunction to 4 beers, and five glasses of red wine (Australian wine).

Nevertheless, I ran 3kms and swam 2kms today so I'm okay with that.

The exercise in my opinion is just as important as Maths, Science, and Language....but not too many Thai kids are into it.

Disappointing, because it's an education also.

Ironically, Thai students work harder than Western students, have more homework, spend their holidays being tutored 24/7, but are still as dumb as a sack of hay. Ask any Thai teenager about, the four fundamental forces, WW2, the periodic table, evolution, or the rise of the Roman Empire and it's decline into the Dark Ages. Or simply ask them to name some of the most influential historical figures and exactly what they did.

So typical: A lot of what you've brought up are western-centric. Why in God's name would you expect Thais to know or care about western history? Do you know anything about Asian and Thai history? Does that make you stupid?

There still needs to be a balance.

Thais perhaps need not know about Western history but an understanding of current world affairs is warranted.

Globalisation affects us all…even the rice farmer.

Exactly, and that's why "Thailand" is a Third World Country", but that's fine, like you said, it's there Country...., we are just short term visitors, but that suits me too....

Jeez mate; I'm guessing from your avatar that English is your first language.

If it is, you should no longer post here because you are a fool.

If English is your second, then perhaps a little learning.

Thailand is a "developing country", 2nd world although as I understand, it's perhaps not politically correct to be using 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

I'd suggest "developed", "developing", and a "farking long way to go" country.

Thailand being in the middle.

Also, "it's there country"? Incorrect.

The correct word is "their".

"We are just short term visitors..."

Best be on your way; Thailand certainly doesn't need you.

Because of how you composed your reply I have no idea who you are talking to. I do know there is a rule in Thai Visa not to correct grammar unless it is part of the topic or necessary to understand what the poster meant.

Like I said I don't know if you are talking to me or not but Thailand is a first, second and third world country depending on what you are talking about. 1st world medical care and malls, industrial parks and movies and 3rd world education and politics.

If you have a problem understanding what a person meant when he wrote there instead of their I wonder at what happens when you speak Thai. Good luck.

Lostoday,

The post pertains to another, not yourself.

I agree with all of your thoughts and comments.

Apologies to the mods re my post last night.

A lack of strong leadership, foresight, will, corruption, and ignorance will be detrimental for Thailands future.

Communication, business and media encompasses the entire world; globalisation.

Thailand must shed its insular attitude to progress, and that starts with education.

Although, I do think the rising middle class in BKK are making a good go of it.

There are some very good Thai schools you can't buy your way in to, and out of, with a pass mark.

They'll only accept the bright kids.

Within my extended Thai family and friends, there is an understanding now that they must be proactive in their children's learning.

I also help. 1.5 hours of English lessons yesterday and the same for today.

Yesterday, my near 6 year old Thai niece wrote words beginning with letters from A to M (no assistance). Today will be the 2nd 1/2 of the alphabet.

Nevertheless, I (44) and my wife (37) will take her to Australia in about 10 years with or without a child of our own.

Western exposure for a Thai student is a tremendous opportunity, not just for education, but personal growth.

Well perhaps your view on car production is different from mine. You are entitled to be proud that a BMW is made in Thailand and boast about it. But its different than people boasting about that BMW is a German brand quality.

Thai education got bad because the country stop moving forward. Thais may be more developed due to the government, but they are not necessary smarter. You can keep on thinking that Thais are superior to their neighbor, just like a typical snobby Thai attitude looking down on your neighbors.

I know Thailand is not the UK, and what makes you think that I am even a westerner to begin with.

"You want to change Thailand but if you really liked Thailand you would not want to change it"

Thank you for that statement, that is exactly the same mentality why Thailand is moving backwards, nobody wants and accepts change.

Why don't you ask you mom or grandma if they want walk around topless? Why are you still embracing western culture and technology? or heck, why are you even on TV?

Why can't you admit and accept that Thai education system is a failure and students are getting dumber? lose of face? hard to swallow the truth?

Thailand has one of the highest education budgets in the world, and the highest by a big margin comparing to all the other ministries in Thailand such as social, economic, etc. Yet all the money is lost through corruption with nothing being done to overhaul the system.

It is up to Thais to make the change and voice their opinion, sadly most Thais don't care or want to do much about it too! Its only the foreigners who wants Thais to get better because they see how much better this society can and could have been, how ironic!

You are talking about too much stuff to carry on a intelligent debate. A lot of the stuff you are saying I agree with like the corruption and misspent money.

Thailand is much like a spouse. Many people get married and then want to change their spouse. As in Los, "now that we are married you will have to stop drinking so much." What's up with that. I was a drunk when you married me.

Many people who came to Thailand from the West in the 1930's did not want their teenage daughters to go topless. I think they should have stayed home. Love me love my dog.

I came here not to change the place but to appreciate it as it is. Whatever the Thai people want is OK with me. If I don't like it I'll leave.

I would not have colonized Burma to improve them either; I think that is terrible. I would not have invaded Vietnam. I would not have colonized Laos or Cambodia.

I think Western influence in South East Asia has sucked big time.

I'm talking too much stuff to carry on an intelligent debate? But you intelligent debate and topic revolves around malaysia, topless women, spouse, Burma, Vietnam. All my points were on topic regarding to Thailand and Education.

I don't see why its so hard for you to accept change for Thai society, what many are preaching here applies to any developing country. Its not about westerners coming here to try to change things. Its about progression and evolving to keep up, even the Thais want change and better society, but the thing that's holding them back are law enforcement and politics.

I'll just end it here as my not so intelligent debate does not involve around dogs and colonization that you keep on preachings about.

Your topics.1 - 9 my answers in italics.

1. But its different than people boasting about that BMW is a German brand quality.

Any yokel with a computer can design a car it takes some brains to go from design to finished product and that in almost all cases is an international effort.

2. Thai education got bad because the country stop moving forward.

Thai education was always bad when compared to more technologically advanced societies.

3. Thais may be more developed due to the government, but they are not necessary smarter.

Thai government has almost always been a handicap to Thai people. All Thailand has is smart people who rescue the government when it stumbles.

4. You can keep on thinking that Thais are superior to their neighbor, just like a typical snobby Thai attitude looking down on your neighbors.

Oh come on now. I've been to Vietnam, Burma, Laos and Cambodia and Malaysia. Thailand is clearly superior - that's why I live here.

5. I know Thailand is not the UK, and what makes you think that I am even a westerner to begin with?

Because mostly Western people come on here without the experience or education to have a good understanding of South East Asia. Japanese and Koreans have a better idea.

6. Thank you for that statement, that is exactly the same mentality why Thailand is moving backwards, nobody wants and accepts change.

Thai people don't want change because change has usually meant disaster (think Phibun). Thais have never starved or wanted for a place to stay. Lots of food and shelter here for free and whiskey is only 5 baht a glass and tobacco is grown locally and the women are easy.

7. Why don't you ask you mom or grandma if they want walk around topless? Why are you still embracing western culture and technology? or heck, why are you even on TV?

Granny still goes topless. I'm on the computer because I work and the rest is just to fill in space so I don't get bored. The first years I was in Thailand there were no computers and I got along fine (TWX machine) but now I'm getting older and need more chair time.

8. Why can't you admit and accept that Thai education system is a failure and students are getting dumber? lose of face? hard to swallow the truth?

The education is a failure by your standards. Japan, China and most of the Western countries have suicide rates 400% higher than Thailand. I'm not so sure the Thai education system is a failure. A. Low rate of suicide. B. Full employment. C. Whiskey 5 baht a shot. D. Rice, vegetables and tobacco almost free.

9. sadly most Thais don't care or want to do much about it too! Its only the foreigners who wants Thais to get better because they see how much better this society can and could have been, how ironic!

Except me and a few others all of the Farang can go home. I don't talk to many of them any more and I have sourced all of my own food by now. So I don't need them.

It's not ironic - it is your lack of understanding about what is really important to Thai people. What is important to you is not important to them. It is their country they get to decide.

Exactly, and that's why "Thailand" is a Third World Country", but that's fine, like you said, it's there Country...., we are just short term visitors, but that suits me too....

Jeez mate; I'm guessing from your avatar that English is your first language.

If it is, you should no longer post here because you are a fool.

If English is your second, then perhaps a little learning.

Thailand is a "developing country", 2nd world although as I understand, it's perhaps not politically correct to be using 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

I'd suggest "developed", "developing", and a "farking long way to go" country.

Thailand being in the middle.

Also, "it's there country"? Incorrect.

The correct word is "their".

"We are just short term visitors..."

Best be on your way; Thailand certainly doesn't need you.

Just to make some things clear... I am NOT trying to say something bad about Thailand or Thai-people. If I hated Thailand, I would not live here and I would properly never had married a Thai-woman and have had a child with her. Furthermore, I would for sure never had been coming to Thailand for more than 20 years, if I hated the place or the people.

The fact is, that the Thai-educational system is very bad and since education a very important part of a countries development, then that is not good for Thailand. So the reason why I am worried about the educational system here, is actually because I worry and feel sorry for Thailand, because it will effect many people here. In other words I worry, because I like Thailand.

Why is it that so many Farangs here in Thailand start thinking like Thais after a while living here? All of a sudden it is not allowed to face the simple facts or criticises anything that is related to Thailand or Thai-people. If some Farang says something "wrong" or "bad", then the typical response is "Then why don't you just leave, if you do not like it here?"... I will never understand why some people can not see, that the only way for something to improve, like e.g. the educational system here, is to FACE THE FACTS and not just try to find excuses. Because that is exactly the Thai way of reacting and it just does not solve problems or provide progress for neither the country or the people.

Yes, there are worse countries than Thailand in the world, but if Thailand does not face reality then at some point in the future, there will not be many countries worse than Thailand. And that is exactly my point. Thailand is moving backwards while other surrounding countries are moving forward. Hiding from the facts (Thai-Style), does not solve the problems or make them go away.

If you really cared and knew something about Thailand, then you would worry too. Especially, if you had children here.

Oh... and by the way... I actually have a teachers degree, have been guest teacher at many universities here and my wife also has a teenage son in the Thai-school system. I think I know just a bit about the educational system here or at least the level of it.

"because it will effect many people here. In other words I worry, because I like Thailand."

Grammar correction; [affect] as opposed to "effect".

An effect is to have an affect on...

Therefore, "it will affect many people here..."

So sorry about that mistake and thanks for pointing it out. English is not my First Language, so mistakes do happen some times :-)

However, I hope my english was good enough for you to at least understand the meaning of what I wrote?

You're welcome Khunpa.

Certainly no need to apologise.

I did understand the meaning of your post.

In actual fact, I genuinely believe that many who do not have English as first language have a better grasp of it than we do.

In many of the English native tongue nations now, if you don't have the cash, your children will get a substandard education...including correct grammatical, written and spoken English.

It's the same here.

Bottom line; the more wealth a Thai family has, the better education their children will receive.

It's disappointing, because all should have equivalent opportunities for education.

In my country Australia, as elsewhere, there is an increasing divide of those that have and can, to those that don't.

That's capitalism.....here it's corruption, lack of genuine foresight, leadership and ignorance.

" As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles (mostly commercial vehicles), more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey"

There is no Thai automotive industry.

There are no Thai cars.. ( except maybe tuk tuks?)

Automotive industries from developed countries are taking advantage of Thailand's cheap uneducated labor to assemble their products for a fraction of the cost of assempl in their home countries.

Most motorcycles are produced here for the same reason..

.exploiting the cheap uneducated labor available here in Thailand.

I read recently that many Thais believe that FORD is a Thai car company! ( they are assembled here, right?)

Does Singapore have an auto industry? Hong Kong? How about most Euro countries, do they all have internationally recognized autos? Is there an Aussie brand auto? You're nit-picking. Would you rather Thailand not manufacture cars at all?

It's not just about cheap labor, otherwise manufacturers would be building cars in Somalia. Thailand has the infrastructure and workforce to support major manufacturing. But I'm sure anything positive about Thailand offends you.

Yes, there is Holden, an Aussie brand auto.....General Motors Holden (GMH).

Who do you all think you are? You move to a country and expect them to change everything because you said so?? The arrogance of Westerners(in general) is baffling! The Thai educational system is preparing Thai children to survive in Thai society. The majority of Thai kids will be unaffected by Thailand's entry into ASEAN. There will never be any freedom of movement between these countries other than for tourism.The movement of labour will be highly restricted, as it should be. Thailand has almost full employment and little or no welfare state. The education system here is not trying to prepare students to be statesmen or women.Its giving them the tools to be successful...in Thailand! And it des exactly what it sayd on the tin...

Westerners need to realise that this is not Europe of the US. Things are different here.That doesn't mean that things are bad. Look at how happy Thai people are. Compare that to people from Nanny states in Europe who are miserable and do nothing but complain and pay their taxes and bills. Look at the respect that Thai people have for elders.Look at how they take care of their families.. Look at the positives instead of attempting to impose Western ideas and values upon the world. The most evil race of people to ever walk the Earth were White people! Realise this and open your narrow minded perceptions of Asian civilisation.

Okay, so let me understand this... You think it is good for Thailand and Thai-people that their education system way is behind most other countries? Do you think it is good that a large part of the population can not read and write? Is it good parenting to just accept a bad educational system, that gives your child no real options in life?

Yes, Thailand has a nearly full employment rate. And what does most of the jobs really consist of? Sitting on a chair sleeping or playing Candy Crush all day. Do you really think education is something unimportant in todays world? You sound like you believe education is something only White-persons value... Are you serious?

And by the way... Not all Thai people are happy. I know many Thai-people who are sad and frustrated, that they are forced to work shitty jobs for the rest of their life, because they never had access to a good educational system. Just because they smile when you pay them, does not mean they are happy.

You wrote, "Yes, Thailand has a nearly full employment rate. And what does most of the jobs really consist of? Sitting on a chair sleeping or playing Candy Crush all day."

Based on that statement I have arrived at two conclusions. 1. You don't know much about Thailand and 2. Your purpose in this thread was to denigrate Thailand and really has nothing to do with education.

​I think I can show indubitably that you know almost nothing about the Thai economy. 1. 40% of the hard drives in the world are made in Thailand. 2. As of 2012, the Thailand automotive industry was the largest in Southeast Asia and the 9th largest in the World. The Thailand industry has an annual output of near 1.5 million vehicles (mostly commercial vehicles), more than countries such as Belgium, the United Kingdom, Italy, Czech Republic, and Turkey.

Those millions of cars and hard drives can not be made while sleeping or playing candy crush.

Lets take a look at a country close by, Malaysia. Tourists' naked photo shoot atop Malaysian peak blamed for major earthquake as locals claim nudity angered 'mountain spirits. Now that is dead dumb.

Try googling the ten most worthless currencies in the world and what countries come up? Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia and Vietnam. 19,327 Dong to the Dollar.

I can tell you without a doubt that the Thai education system is better than Detroit or DC (I was in a D mood).

I think there should be a rule that before you are allowed to comment on the Thai education system that you should know something about it; like teaching in a Thai college for a few years.

And before you comment on Thailand's economy that you should realize that there are about 100 countries in the world that have a GDP per capita less than Thailand. That means that more than half the countries in the world play candy crush and sleep on the job more than Thailand,

Just to make some things clear... I am NOT trying to say something bad about Thailand or Thai-people. If I hated Thailand, I would not live here and I would properly never had married a Thai-woman and have had a child with her. Furthermore, I would for sure never had been coming to Thailand for more than 20 years, if I hated the place or the people.

The fact is, that the Thai-educational system is very bad and since education a very important part of a countries development, then that is not good for Thailand. So the reason why I am worried about the educational system here, is actually because I worry and feel sorry for Thailand, because it will effect many people here. In other words I worry, because I like Thailand.

Why is it that so many Farangs here in Thailand start thinking like Thais after a while living here? All of a sudden it is not allowed to face the simple facts or criticises anything that is related to Thailand or Thai-people. If some Farang says something "wrong" or "bad", then the typical response is "Then why don't you just leave, if you do not like it here?"... I will never understand why some people can not see, that the only way for something to improve, like e.g. the educational system here, is to FACE THE FACTS and not just try to find excuses. Because that is exactly the Thai way of reacting and it just does not solve problems or provide progress for neither the country or the people.

Yes, there are worse countries than Thailand in the world, but if Thailand does not face reality then at some point in the future, there will not be many countries worse than Thailand. And that is exactly my point. Thailand is moving backwards while other surrounding countries are moving forward. Hiding from the facts (Thai-Style), does not solve the problems or make them go away.

If you really cared and knew something about Thailand, then you would worry too. Especially, if you had children here.

Oh... and by the way... I actually have a teachers degree, have been guest teacher at many universities here and my wife also has a teenage son in the Thai-school system. I think I know just a bit about the educational system here or at least the level of it.

"because it will effect many people here. In other words I worry, because I like Thailand."

Grammar correction; [affect] as opposed to "effect".

An effect is to have an affect on...

Therefore, "it will affect many people here..."

The former PM has her children at Harrow (British curriculum).

Aside from the wealth, I wonder why...

I respect Thai people and their culture immensely but they've got to start getting with the program.

Even those well educated know little of current and past world affairs.

Gen X and Y are tech savvy but are too insular to consider anything of value and substance outside of Siam.

FB, Line and games is about as far as it goes for most unfortunately.

Lack of sound education, corruption in the education system, an often "no fail" policy, "face", and vast numbers of incompetent teachers are not helping the people, country and their economic future.

I don't have a child, but if I do, there is absolutely no chance education will be done here.

I can afford a top tier school throughout however too many Thais are insular and uneducated that I feel it would be detrimental to my own child....should I have one.

Education will be done in my home country.

I agree with the OP entirely.

I thought I'd ask a question for the old fellas with the young Thai girl;

What do you do together that you both love?

I'm not talking about cooking, driving around the country together, or raising your children.

I'm wishing to know what real common loves you have together?

Perhaps, what drew you together in the first place?

Do you have similarities, passions as individuals that suit or complement one another?

Do you crave to do activities together outside of your home or family life?

Not one could give a straight answer.

Just as I thought.

Just admit that she's in it for security.

The "combo" works for money reasons.

Can't any of you older men come up with an answer to this question?

Do you have similarities, passions as individuals that suit or complement one another?

Since no one can be straight, we can deduce she's in it mostly for the $$$'s.

A girl wanting a sugar daddy ain't in it for the old cock.

Just don't delude yourselves. That's not all of you, but the sweeping majority.

you say you had3 set of tennis then the gym, then a swim,

thats great im glad you keep in shape,

did your wife play tennis before she met you?

did she go to the gym?

you know about me, i dont go to the gym, i still play a little football, i played a fell game the other year in africa in that heat,

i played a full game of cricket in the uk the other year, im still fit,

what do me and my wife do together,

well we dont live in a city so there isnt any gyms round us, not that ive ever liked the gym, and i boxed for year but hated the gym work,

we like to do the garden together we have only just come in from gardening all morning,

we take care of the farm together,

we take the kids to the beach we was there 2 weeks ago for the weekend,

there are many things we do together, just not the same things that you do,

we do have the odd game of badminton in the garden,

lifes different in the sticks,

my wife wasnt uni educated, but she is very inteligent, very cleaver in many things,

could you wife put her arm up a pig to see if there was any piglets left?

things are allways going to be different here, different blokes looking for different things and women looking for different things out of life, my wife has no interest of going holidaying, she i so happy at our farm with the kids it has to be seen,

i look at her when she is busy and i get a bloody big glow in me, i very good feeling,

we dont have to be running round a tennis court together to no we love each other, and please im not saying its bad running round a tennis court, just not for all,

we do go to the local pool, ill take the kids in, my wifes not that keen on swiming, but she sits there laughing like hell at what we get up to messing about,

its a funny old world out there and it takes all sorts to m ake this world,

jake

Where we are in BKK, I'm the only Farang at gym, pool and tennis.

Anyhow, thanks Jake for your reply.

Honestly, I was thinking it'd be you first and with the most honest answer.

I think you are one of the very few real straight shooters on this forum.

I understand the "big bloody glow" in you. It's a truly great feeling to have whether it be with Caucasian, Asian or other.

I guess irrespective of any age difference, to have a real attraction for your partner and same in return matters more than anything else. I only question how valid that is when there is a large age gap, and perhaps little in common.

I must do you the courtesy and make contact as previously discussed.

You're right also; "a funny old world".

We are happy together but do have our moments.

I call it the Mexican Standoff when we are ignoring each other. Nearly always, it's communication/cultural differences; just 7 years between my wife and I. Together for 3 years.

I love her to bits...even when we do have our moments. Perhaps I can be questioned in another 10 years as life's wishes, wants, and demands change.

Nevertheless, I'm faithful, respectful, and don't ever see our feelings for each other changing and she feels just the same.

Fox.

What is the age difference between you and your wife/gf ?

I'm 60, she finished high school last year. Starts uni in August.

She'll be getting wet in her panties with all that new young throbbing cock about Uni.

I thought I'd ask a question for the old fellas with the young Thai girl;

What do you do together that you both love?

I'm not talking about cooking, driving around the country together, or raising your children.

I'm wishing to know what real common loves you have together?

Perhaps, what drew you together in the first place?

Do you have similarities, passions as individuals that suit or complement one another?

Do you crave to do activities together outside of your home or family life?

Not one could give a straight answer.

Just as I thought.

Just admit that she's in it for security.

The "combo" works for money reasons.

Can't any of you older men come up with an answer to this question?

Do you have similarities, passions as individuals that suit or complement one another?

Since no one can be straight, we can deduce she's in it mostly for the $$$'s.

A girl wanting a sugar daddy ain't in it for the old cock.

Just don't delude yourselves. That's not all of you, but the sweeping majority.

Today...3 sets of tennis followed by climbing gym with my wife.

I swam 2kms after and then we cooked dinner at home.

I don't think too many (if any) men over 50 will be doing activities such as this with their younger wives.

I spent the afternoon in bed with mine.

Then she cooked me dinner.

Do I win?

Ah yeah. She cooked you dinner.

Good slave eh.

Yeah, you win.

I thought I'd ask a question for the old fellas with the young Thai girl;

What do you do together that you both love?

I'm not talking about cooking, driving around the country together, or raising your children.

I'm wishing to know what real common loves you have together?

Perhaps, what drew you together in the first place?

Do you have similarities, passions as individuals that suit or complement one another?

Do you crave to do activities together outside of your home or family life?

Today...3 sets of tennis followed by climbing gym with my wife.

I swam 2kms after and then we cooked dinner at home.

I don't think too many (if any) men over 50 will be doing activities such as this with their younger wives.

The combo will work on the proviso the older gent "props" up the younger girl.

Not in all cases but for the vast majority.

The younger Thai women on the whole prefer same in their man.

But, if she has a disadvantaged background, she'll go for the older foreign man.

A good middle class girl will not.

It works when there an income stream or security.

You're kidding yourselves to think anything other.

Zero…and it'll always be that.

Why bring strong currency into a weaker currency? I don't get it.

I think it best for people not to quote specifics if they are not certain of factual correctness.

Leave that for Joe.

Jeff,

Joe is the ones advice to take.

I was recently processed from visa exempt to non O to extension based on marriage.

A statutory declaration is all that is required however, and as others have stated, individual officers are somewhat inept and are very short and direct often providing false information.

I was given incorrect information by 2 officers and I followed their advice exactly even knowing they were wrong.

When I returned to CW, I was told my arrival was too early but I immediately found the 2 female officers and they remembered me well.

They provided the non O sooner than legally prescribed knowing they provided me incorrect info with regards to time. They issued it to save face. They knew they were wrong.

There are sound, competent officers there and same with supervisors however learning the good from the bad takes a few trips there to learn who they are.

By coincidence my wife knows one of the female officers sisters; that helps significantly now.

Just a little advice mate; there is a women of about 50-55 years that works at the front desk where you pick up the relevant document before passing into the final main section.

She is very helpful and understands the immigration law. Don't ask the man at the front desk as he knows shit.

As Joe said, go back with all the relevant information you can. Try one of the other officers. The one with the messy hair and angry face is one to avoid.

Be neutral in your demeanour no matter how much it's killing you inside.

Do you speak Thai Jeff?

Believe me, it helps more than you can imagine. Not for communication, but a mutual respect that goes with the game.

They are good at CW Jeff; you may have just have arrived at the wrong desk on the wrong day.

Also, there's a real cute supervisor behind the officers who doesn't speak but I believe she is sound also.

Best of luck.

Fox.

May I ask which BTS it's close to?

Subscribe to Siam tonight for gigs at clubs.

A very sad story.

Another one of the many reasons why I will never buy or spend a $ here...but if you choose to, then take all the time for due diligence.