Seastallion
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Wake me up when an Israeli Arab actually is beheaded.
At least the responses by the Israel apologists give people who look forward to Palestine's nationhood equivalent excuse to rhetoric by Palestinian right-wingers.At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action.
No longer can any of you condemn Hamas leaders for saying something sensational....it's just rhetoric from a right winger, isn't it?
Similarly, wake me up when Israel is literally "wiped off the map"....not going to happen, is it?
We're both looking at a long sleep.
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At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action.
At least the responses by the Israel apologists give people who look forward to Palestine's nationhood equivalent excuse to rhetoric by Palestinian right-wingers.
No longer can any of you condemn Hamas leaders for saying something sensational....it's just rhetoric from a right winger, isn't it?
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In response to Lieberman’s remarks, Israeli peace activist David Harel asked RT to imagine if Secretary of State John Kerry said the same thing about African-Americans or Hispanics:
“Can you imagine John Kerry making a similar statement about the Mexicans, or the Hispanics, or the Blacks in the United States. Imagine John Kerry saying publicly that you have to have their heads chopped off with an axe.”
It’s a viable question. Because if John Kerry did make such horrible statements the American people would be outraged and calling for him to resign or be fired from his job. So why does the American public continue to support Israel as an ally? Why do we tolerate such extremism from Israeli officials that we would never tolerate from our own? First, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lies to the faces of the American people and disrespects President Obama during a speech to Congress in an effort to sabotage US foreign policy initiatives seeking peace, and now the Foreign Minister is openly calling to behead people like ISIS does. It’s seriously time to cut ties with Israeli before they drag us into a campaign of extermination against Muslims.
You bring up a very valid point, which is to the OP......such barbaric suggestions as the FM's should indeed result in immediate sanctions from the US.
Cut ties? Won't happen. The US military industrial complex would lose the billions of US tax payer's dollars every year that is paid in "aid" to Israel, but goes into the US elite's pockets, most especially Republicans.
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Nobody should be beheaded.
Israel isn't going to behead anyone.
Grow up and read between the lines.
He represents the far right faction of Israeli politics.
They are concerned about the enemy within.
That's what far right factions do everywhere.
Next ...
Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi is also a far right politician within his coalition...
Using JT's reasoning, Al Baghdadi should be excused for anything he says.
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Nobody should be beheaded.
Israel isn't going to behead anyone.
Grow up and read between the lines.
He represents the far right faction of Israeli politics.
They are concerned about the enemy within.
That's what far right factions do everywhere.
Next ...
It's the FM! It's an official opinion, if not an official's opinion.
Perhaps Israel apologists should "grow up and read between the lines" every time Hamas says something sensational...they are after all hard right wingers!
Yes, lets take this stance in future....we'll grow up and excuse the Israeli FM, and we will also grow up and excuse Hamas leaders...Ok?
He didn't mean it, he's a right wing politician.
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Israel is encouraging 'Mahal' (volunteers from abroad) to join the IDF.
http://www.israelandstuff.com/idf-volunteers
What about the fidelity to their native country and citizenship outside Israel ?
Should they also be beheaded in their native countries ?
Another example of "You can't do, what I can and allways will do" hypocrisy...
Pertinent point. But you shouldn't be surprised because when it comes to Israel, what's sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander.
Lets just hope countries whose citizens do leave to join the IDF have the fortitude to enforce their anti-terror laws and revoke the citizenship of their people leaving to fight illegal battles and wars for Israel, and arrest them if they ever return.
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My warped opinion if you like. The west should totally butt out of the middle east; all this money wasted just causes more angst and wasted funds that could be used for the public good like much needed health care. If they want an Islamic state then let them bloody have it. For the people living there that don't agree with this then they need to ask themselves the question "What exactly has Islam bought me? This?" Then maybe after the horror of living the "Islamic Way" they will change and abandon that faith and move to a more civilized country that does not have Islamic Law leaving behind "The Idiots" to live the pure Islamic way and the west can ban all movement and trade with them from their "Homeland" and see how long they will last. In fact if left on its own, Islam will just destroy itself and that is the best option.
For one thing, much of the mess is due to Western interference in the first place. They have a duty to save innocent lives that they effectively put in danger.
"Butting out" would mean abandoning Israel, which in turn means billions of dollars a year that doesn't go to the US industrial military owners.
It won't happen.
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Israel has to wake up and smell the coffee.
While Netanyahu's agenda remains, the citizens will continue to cower in fear as he perpetuates the aggression. The Palestinians are not going to go away, and nor should they.
The US military industrial complex will rake in billions of dollars every year at the American tax payer's expense to support Israel's defence.
Come to your sense Israel....force your leaders to wage peace, and sleep better at night for lack of air raid sirens and for better conscience.
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" ....to ordering new penalty sanctions against Iran or even making a pre-emptive declaration of war."
With a little luck, the US electorate might come to their senses and vote out these hawks who are looking to go to war at the behest of Israel's lies.
It's an absolutely ridiculous situation where the Republicans can offer to put US bodies on the line and throw US taxpayer funds at another war, all for Netanyahu, who has done and will never do anything for America except tell lies and gobble up more funds.
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Does it have a place in civilised society or not ? Is it fundamental and essential to the faith in any shape or form whatsoever or not in the modern world ?... Not
Whilst its clear you dont really advocate it you do stop short of condemning it as an unnecessary and barbaric act in this day and age. since there are many atheists I am quite happy to call fruitcakes or condemn for out of date barbaric behaviour, I can only assume its due to sharing a common faith..... i cannot fathom why thats a reason though personally.
Does it have a place in civilised society or not ?
No.
Is it fundamental and essential to the faith in any shape or form whatsoever or not in the modern world ?... Not
It is important to this small minority of Jews. So you can't say no if that's what they believe.
Whilst its clear you dont really advocate it you do stop short of condemning it as an unnecessary and barbaric act in this day and age. since there are many atheists I am quite happy to call fruitcakes or condemn for out of date barbaric behaviour, I can only assume its due to sharing a common faith..... i cannot fathom why thats a reason though personally.
More BS. I do condemn it. I do oppose it. I do think it should be totally stopped. But living in the real world, this small minority of rabbis are still going to do it, illegal or not. So New York decided to take a more pragmatic approach and balance the religious freedom factor.
I also condemn trollish attempts here to label ritual oral suction in Orthodox circumcision as a sex act or a sex crime.
Is it barbaric? That's a loaded word. Is it equivalent to stoning women to death? Not a chance.
I am not going to entertain responding to your attempt at personalization.
It's rather defeatist, and in a way condoning, to say that if they are going to do it anyway, then so be it.
To say New York is simply being pragmatic is making excuses. If it causes babies to die, it should be stopped. Period.
The question should be, why is NY being that sort of "pragmatic"? Babies, Jewish babies, will die!
It's incredible.
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This is an Israeli election.
It is not a Palestinian election.
ZU represents a position to the left of Netanyahu as recently Bibi has stated a two state solution is off the table entirely due to radically changed conditions in the region ... in other words ISIS.
Israel demonizers will never be satisfied until Israel doesn't exist ... they don't fool anyone.
To add, those positions could be seen as an opening negotiation. Settlement policy is likely negotiable. Demilitarizing Palestinian state not negotiable. Jerusalem as Israel capital -- no comment.
I would have thought you would wait for the Israel demonisers to say something before you mentioned them. Thus far in this thread, there has been no Israel demonisation....so you're straying a bit off topic. Not that I mind that, personally.
I suspect that you're right about the settlements being negotiable. Of course ZU wouldn't say that explicitly before the election, but they'd be silly if they didn't know that the settlements are ONLY a negotiable item, not a non-negotiable item on the Palestinian agenda....and rightly so.
Jerusalem, at least East Jerusalem, is also something that will have to be negotiated. The way the ZU platform is currently worded, there can not be any peace deal, and they know that too.
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Here, you go for fighting and afterwards you come back to your families. And if you get killed, then ... youll enter heaven, God willing, and Allah will take care of those youve left behind. So here, the caliphate will take care of you.
What a load of rubbish. How do normal, sane people get so indoctrinated/brainwashed?

I fear for the world.
Yeah, it's phenomenal, literally.
Mind you, when I was in my early 20's, the thought of becoming a mercenary was very exciting, and being a young male, the excitement was very attractive. I guess all it would have needed was a little bit of coaxing, and I could have been convinced to go.
When you're young and full of testosterone, and you see danger and adventure, you're open to any sort of persuasion, even if in your heart of hearts you don't believe it.
We don't really grow common sense until after the mid-20's, and some men don't ever!
I think Western governments should definitely ramp up psychological warfare on this issue.
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After checking the scene, police found out that the gold ornaments were left overnight in the unlocked showcase and not put the safe.
Hmm

Yes, hmmm indeed.
Mind you, if it's an insurance job, the insurance may be invalidated for just that reason.
And the phone going too......odd that a phone is left.
The circuitous route to get in suggests real knowledge of the building.
If it is how the report makes out, ie Burmese workers, there is a good chance they will make a mistake somewhere along the line. The very fact that 3 construction workers have wealth beyond their wildest dreams, and the reality that they probably have no financial education/common sense,....I think they'll get nabbed.
But I tend towards the hmmmm. Might not be insurance. What would someone do if they owed millions and wanted to make a run for it?
Arab-Israelis not loyal to state should be beheaded, says Israel's FM
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Not a single word out of place.
Chutzpah, Native Americans, Australian Aborigines, racist, supremacist, barbarism....all absolutely appropriate.
Hopefully this maniac's platform will be his downfall....and Netanyahu's.
And it IS a wonder that Netanyahu doesn't distance himself....very telling.
Israel apologists that excuse his words can never again criticise ISIS beheadings.......and saying that, I think it's a shame, because ISIS SHOULD be condemned.