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Perimeter alarm and flood light is the most effective, having a dog is also good.

Thats another good idea sensors hooked up to flood lights and a sound system lights

go on sound system starts barking virtual pack of dogs.

Virtual dog barking would surely only work on virtual robbers ?

I reakon the sound of small arms fire after the intruder steps over a trip wire would be the way to go. Nothing over the top, AK47 would do the trick

Actually, virtual possessions are the best. They aint got nothing physical worf nicking!!@!!!!!!

I am conflicted with this matter. On the one hand they really do need to make a living, but on the other I am fed up with having to walk on the road if I am to get anywhere. The little space left on the footpaths renders them useless for pedestrians.

What alternatives are there for making a living? They are not going to work for factory wages.

Factory wages aren't all that bad...just ask my niece, she's got a decent apartment and she's putting her kids through school. The downside is that you actually have to WORK

They are not that bad if you put in the overtime or are a supervisor. Otherwise, selling fried rice will get you a better level of life.

I am conflicted with this matter. On the one hand they really do need to make a living, but on the other I am fed up with having to walk on the road if I am to get anywhere. The little space left on the footpaths renders them useless for pedestrians.

What alternatives are there for making a living? They are not going to work for factory wages.

I suppose they are too good to work for factory wages, you know; the the people who really have to work to produce all the crap that vendors sell so that tourists that waddle down the path of Thai hawkers can live their Thai experience.

They are not too good for anything. But when they have been earning 30k per month or more, are they going to be satisfied with 9k without overtime? You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that. Would you work for less?

You haven't eaten dog by mistake by any chance, have you? I have heard that dogs know if you have previously eaten one of their dogthren, and you will forever be hated by the doghood.

Despite the above likely being an unfounded belief, it does seem to be supported anecdotal evidence. My dog hates one particular person for no outward reason, but I do know that this person has eaten of the beast before.

I had a neighbour who, after having been burgaled many times, turned his little bungalow into the Thai equivalent of Fort Knox. That didn't stop them they merely removed the 'security' bars. They can also lift the tiles and get in through the roof.

Baan shut windows throughout, a loud dog and lack of conspicuous consumption works for me. Oh and do get rid of those silly smug little 'this palace has security' plastic plates screwed to your outside wall. It just tells them you've something to steal

Yep, the thieves often get in through the rooves of houses with window bars. That is why in the one storey ceiling above the kitchen I also have bars. If a thief lifts off the tiles to get in he will see the bars and hopefully move on to easier pickings.

Didn't bother with bars under the second floor roof though. That is so high and difficult to get onto that it is quite secure on its own.

Don't know why I bothered actually because there is not that much worth knicking in my abode. Actually, if someone came along and knicked something, it may provide me with the required stimulus to put my hand in my pocket and buy something new rather than refusing to replace anything until it starts smoking or breaks down beyond repair. Or perhaps, a thief would feel pity on me and drop off some of his ill gotten gains rather than taking anything.

I wonder if this is the Suan Lum Night Bazarr property. If anyone knows please reply, I am curious because my apartment is on Rama 4 Road Right next to it.

yes it is

Just as an idea + price

Noticed this advert this morning http://www.bahtsold.com/view/suzuky-hayate-for-sale-183414

suzuki hayate is a good bike and price is good but it is 2010 model and 19,000 km which makes me think.

Looks like rental bikes too.

There was no 2011, 2012 or 2013 model. The 2010 model is still on sale brand new.

My son's Hayate was bought in 2010 and has 43,000kms on the clock.

Good info provided by the resident experts. Seems like it's about time I should make the attempt and will do more research into this. Been here 14+ years, employed, paying taxes, married for 7, two kids...

Go for it. The actual application process is not that difficult, just a lot of paper work. But if I can do it all myself, with some valuable suggestions/pointers from Arkady, anyone can. Once in then starts the waiting game.

Does anyone whatsoever on this thread have any specific, non-anecdotal evidence, of pointers to actual case documentation kind, of any instances in Thailand where someone was a) fined, b ) imprisoned, or c) deported for being discovered to be undertaking online activities that have no economic flow through Thailand, except as tapped by that private individual through an ATM or terminal bank account?

A genuine question, please could you explain the link between the quoted post and your picture? I have wracked my noggin, but can't come up with a sensible explanation.

This is probably a daft question, but why would you want one in preference to actually taking the bike out?

I use mine when the pollution gets really bad up north. During the rainy season, like now, some of my trails can become almost impassable but I can always do more road and less dirt on bad days. When the smoke is so bad you can't see anything anyway, I prefer an air-conditioned room.

I like dogs and don't get upset when they bark at me. I just figure they are doing their job the same as my dogs.

Yeah, dogs would not keep me off the road either. Had a few narrow escapes, but look back on such experiences as being quite funny.

I just would like to confirm if possible. Am I right in assuming if you are married to a Thai, live here permanently (non O extended) but do not work (I don't need too) then you are unable to get citizenship? Is Permanent Residency the only way to circumvent the annual extensions and 90/90/90/90?

Your assumption in regard to citizenship is correct. You do not qualify. As to PR, I'll leave that to the experts but believe you need to be in employment in Thailand to qualify for that too.

Soi Sarasin. Google probike bangkok.

Someone told me Pro Bike had them.

Okay I'm done. I sincerely thank those who gave considered replies on the thread.

To the admin I say, I will likely not be back. I find the general attitude here by many posters trollish and hectoring, akin to schoolyard bullies. It does NOT seem like a friendly environment for people seeking advice on moving to Thailand, which is why I posted here. By all means please monitor the thread and see for yourself. Do with this information as you wish. Adios!

This subjects been raised a few times and it gets the TV resident trolls excited as for some bizarre reason they really resent the fact people can earn a living on line. Basically they're just posting their opinion and using their vast (non-existent) knowledge of Thai law to attempt to substantiate that opinion, yet they consistently fail to provide any information from Thai governance pertaining to the subject. They're well practiced arguing this subject as they spend all day everyday loitering on this forum cluttering up various threads with inane rubbish, so if there was an relevant information out there that backed up their "opinion" they would have found it.

When I obtained my last visa I was asked a few questions due to the amount of tourist visa's in my passport they were concerned that I might be working in Thailand, I told them I work on line and draw an income from my home country, they wanted to see statements to support this once they'd viewed the statements and seen the money was getting paid into my UK bank they gave me a visa.

If the Thai authorities shared the view of ThaiVisa's arse clown brigade then I'm sure there would be raids on co-working spaces, several websites run by expats would be closed down and there would be at least some anecdotal evidence of people being arrested and fined.

Do you have any idea whether it is possible to open a UK based bank account from Thailand? Working online interests me, although I currently work in an office, and I had not thought of this aspect, i.e. having money paid to you offshore to show that you are being paid overseas.

The idea of retirement horrifies me, and working online appears to be an interesting option. Although god only knows what I would do online to make any money. Suggestions anyone, apart from online surveys.

...BUT, yes, it probably is also the case that the authorities know there are thousands of expats in Thailand doing just this, but don't care, because it doesn't interest them enough.

Yes, I'm sure that is the situation now. But let me change your sentence above just a little:

BUT, yes, it probably is also the case that the authorities know there are thousands of expats in Thailand doing back-to-back visa runs, but don't care, because it doesn't interest them enough.

or

BUT, yes, it probably is also the case that the authorities know there are thousands of expats in Thailand with ED visas and not attending classes, but don't care, because it doesn't interest them enough.

or

BUT, yes, it probably is also the case that the authorities know there are thousands of teachers in Thailand without work permits, but don't care, because it doesn't interest them enough.

So, as we know from recent events about visas, you may be able to get away with breaking the law this week, but next week could be a completely different matter.

But surely all those you have listed would be so easy to police, whereas working online (I believe) is not; what with anonymous proxies, etc to hide where you are working from.

Is universal healthcare populist? Is it bad? The waters are so murky.

Throw theory out of the window, and consider it practically. If you work on line, keep your mouth shut about what you are doing, then no one is the wiser. Your likelihood of being caught for working without a work permit is negligible. Yes, there is a risk but it is a caclulated risk. Is it worth your while, remembering that if you did do so you would be breaking the law?

Since Suzuki's tend to lose value in the second hand market, when compared to Honda, you should be able to pick up a good condition Hayate for 25 k. It will take a full faced helment under the seat. Its dimensions are similar to Yamaha Nuovo Elegance. It is fuel injected and quite stable at speed.

You cannot seriously believe that all the overstayers are monied up and can support themselves indefinitely on their savings.

I just don't look down on them so much.

Neither do I. Live and let live. If that is how they choose to live their lives then it is fine by me. I am sure many of them are happy with their lot, while some wish they had not got into the hole they find themselves.

I also do not belive that their being here will make it more difficult for the rest of us who are here legally.

I am sure that a lot of the overstayers are working to support themselves and their families. So that beggars the question, why aren't they being caught for not having work permits? There are so many posters who claim that you need a work permit to even fart in public in Thailand and that you will be caught if you don't have one. If that is the case surely those working overstayers would have been caught years ago.

I have often thought that the claims of getting busted for working without a work permit were exaggerated. I have never once been asked for my work permit in over 20 years, despite doing DIY projects at my home and elsewhere. As long as you have not pissed anyone off, I believe it is very much a live and let live society, and you will be left alone..

There will also be a number of overstayers who will continue their overstay, despite the risk, because they will not be able to meet the criteria for annual extensions. Yet they will be able to comfortably live up country, in the simple style they have become used to, and stay under the radar. That is unless the powers that be announce a bounty for turning in overstayers.

You're really just assuming that people have the same kinds of jobs or situation as you do, though. I'm legal, but I've lived here for 5 years without a job in Thailand.

Not really. I know that many people work online and there are a variety of ways to make a living. But a number of the overstayers are not on retirement pensions, living of savings or working online. Many get their income from more traditional occupations such as working on the farm, teaching, selling hoi tort, even working in companies, yes, all without work permits, etc.

You cannot seriously believe that all the overstayers are monied up and can support themselves indefinitely on their savings.

I am sure that a lot of the overstayers are working to support themselves and their families. So that beggars the question, why aren't they being caught for not having work permits? There are so many posters who claim that you need a work permit to even fart in public in Thailand and that you will be caught if you don't have one. If that is the case surely those working overstayers would have been caught years ago.

I have often thought that the claims of getting busted for working without a work permit were exaggerated. I have never once been asked for my work permit in over 20 years, despite doing DIY projects at my home and elsewhere. As long as you have not pissed anyone off, I believe it is very much a live and let live society, and you will be left alone..

There will also be a number of overstayers who will continue their overstay, despite the risk, because they will not be able to meet the criteria for annual extensions. Yet they will be able to comfortably live up country, in the simple style they have become used to, and stay under the radar. That is unless the powers that be announce a bounty for turning in overstayers.

Howard Hughes ? Could the increase in colds be due to not shaking hands? As you come into less and less contact with germs, bacteria and virus by refusing to shake hands you are losing your immunity, making you more susceptible to the more common varieties of bugs.

Perhaps, one way to stop the offering of the hand would be to spit in your palm whenever a hand is offered for a shake. The offeror is very likely to withdraw his hand from the offeree if you do so.

You would have to get divorced to change the reason for your extension to being the parent of a Thai. Those are only meant to be for a single parent.

I think you would have to be destitute in order for you qualify under the 50 or over option and your child will need to prove they are able to support you.

I would not be getting a divorce, but I would no longer be married, i.e. become a widower. So as a single parent I would still qualify.

Going for an extension based on your child has now two options:

1. you support your child and the smame income requirement is in place or you need the same ammount in the bank.

2. As 50years or older you will be a dependent of your Thai child without any financial requirements. But in that case you will not be allowed to work.

Would 1. be applicable as my son is 25 years old.