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Here is my take on the story.  His wife got the eyebrow tattoo and it made her look more appealing to other men.  So now she has even more choices of men.   She saw the opportunity  to capitalize on her new look and she murdered him by putting poison in his drink.  As we all know, most cases solved by RTP is a result of suicide.

What are people complaining about leave them alone?  There are how many buses as most people have said?  And only 32 buses were impound.  Then these guys deserve it for breaking the law.  The rest are going on with their lives.  Yes it seems like only a certain group of people think this is wrong.  It's about time.

Who the heck is Surapong. That guy needs to stay out the public mind. He reminds me of a weasel or that white pale dude that is in the Hobbit.

Yes, I agree that number 500 billion is an estimate. As there are no real figures. Is it massive, yes it is. There are probably solid numbers that we will never see. Such as the warehouse charges for storing the rice. We don't even know how much that is. And we will never know how much of it went to the politicians for securing the contract to store the rice. What about the millers and middle men. Buying the rice from the little guy for less and charging the government for the full amount. So many other ways. If you add that to the stolen rice and cheating the hard working farmers and many others, it add up quite high. And besides corruption in terms of a way in which it was used to buy votes at the expense of tax payers.

I don't come from a rich family, so to its massive when 60,000 tons of rice is missing. If you have to put a monetary amount to it. What is qualifies for massive? The massive project such as this was designed with one thing in mind, making it harder to trace the money. I don't really know of any government project that was budgeted for one agricultural subsidy that was at this massive scale.

According to this article http://m.deltafarmpress.com/rice/rice-subsidy-program-cost-thailand-27-billion. USA spend only $1.53 billion per year and also there is a limitation on wto for rice trade, which I don't know about what Thailand limit is, but they should have only supported only a certain cap. So it was designed for corruption in the first place. It's main purpose was to win votes and not to help farmers or the people of Thailand. But since we have to put the price on the lost, it's the rice that can not be sold. Simply, Massive project to cover up a massive corruption.

"Regarding the 500 billion baht in damages caused by the scheme, Mr Kittirat defended that the amount was well within the five percent ceiling of the annual budget"

Absolutely amazing. His defence against the massive corruption is that it was taken from an approved budget. I think that corruption is so normal for him and the other dirty cronies, it doesn't even occur to him it should have been given to the farmers.

I have nothing but contempt for these thieves and liars. They should be in jail for abuse of power after the amnesty disgrace. The problem is, I expect the next lot will only be marginally better.

What massive corruption?

With 25,000+ posts to your name you obvisly spend too much time writing and not enough reading. Whilst massive corruption has not yet been proven in court for the fake G2G deals a few small fry have been convicted of buying the rice from the warehouses at about 8,000 Baht a ton and then selling it back at 15,000 a ton. It is only a matter of time before the big players do get convicted.

You should also notice that the red supporters are not stupid enough to try and support this known liar.

The number touted on that is 20bn. Let's see. Although elsewhere it is mentioned in another thread 65,000 tonnes. Which out of 75,000,000 tonnes is piffling.

There was corruption but the 500bn is almost entirely accounted in the loss of the scheme not corruption.

It would have worst of the general public did not come out and protest. One little corruption is as good as one big corruption. How can any one justify that it was just a little corruption and its supposed to be OK? What country are you from?

No, someone said there was massive corruption in the 500bn. As yet the prosecuted corruption is a fraction of that figure.

So where is this massive corruption, because standard on govt spending would be 25%.

So is someone claiming there is 100bn fraud? No. There isn't a system like this in the world with some corruption, it's impossible not to be. But what I can't see in this system is a persistent graft endemic in the system.

There was opportunistic theft and a couple of dodgy deals. None of which shows massive corruption which systematically enriched the Ptp bunch.

This is my point. Screaming massive corruption when there wasn't any is disengenuous in comparison with the reality of the system.

Ok, it was prevented. A small one without transparency will evolve into a bigger one. Remember the g2g deal was one of reason that was presented to get additional funding for the program. Which they got. And would have gotten more of the off budget transportation budget passed. Corruption of just a political term for robbery or theft. What ever you like to call it. And that is the bottom line. It seems like when you call it corruption it carries less penalty. What ever about of the total percentage of the value is irrelevant in as criminal action.

It's like saying if someone stole from lotus 10,000 baht with of merchandise from the store that has 100 millions of baht in inventory is less severe than stealing 10,000 baht from a store that has only one million baht of inventory because it's ratio is smaller. That is what corrupt officials do. Make a large project and syphon out 1%. That is enough to retire with. Because they know people will believe in statistic and ratio not the amount. Yes it's is fair to say it's massive.

"Regarding the 500 billion baht in damages caused by the scheme, Mr Kittirat defended that the amount was well within the five percent ceiling of the annual budget"

Absolutely amazing. His defence against the massive corruption is that it was taken from an approved budget. I think that corruption is so normal for him and the other dirty cronies, it doesn't even occur to him it should have been given to the farmers.

I have nothing but contempt for these thieves and liars. They should be in jail for abuse of power after the amnesty disgrace. The problem is, I expect the next lot will only be marginally better.

What massive corruption?

With 25,000+ posts to your name you obvisly spend too much time writing and not enough reading. Whilst massive corruption has not yet been proven in court for the fake G2G deals a few small fry have been convicted of buying the rice from the warehouses at about 8,000 Baht a ton and then selling it back at 15,000 a ton. It is only a matter of time before the big players do get convicted.

You should also notice that the red supporters are not stupid enough to try and support this known liar.

The number touted on that is 20bn. Let's see. Although elsewhere it is mentioned in another thread 65,000 tonnes. Which out of 75,000,000 tonnes is piffling.

There was corruption but the 500bn is almost entirely accounted in the loss of the scheme not corruption.

It would have worst of the general public did not come out and protest. One little corruption is as good as one big corruption. How can any one justify that it was just a little corruption and its supposed to be OK? What country are you from?

I see a lot of the money delivery guys don't have guns for protection. That doesn't make sense!

Yes I do agree, it's kind of crazy that they have no deterrent. On the other hand, how much is a life's worth. Just let them take the money, they will get caught soon. Getting in a shoot out is the last thing the security guard want to do. I think where the guns are most needed are for politicians who steal more than the cash carrying vans.

It appears that the Thai government will have a hard time explaining how their laxed security checked allowed the gun to pass through. In light of the flight safety order against Thailand. I think the guy is on his own. Of course there is his buddy TS. But I doubt TS will help. His many goons are not the brightest. Hate to say it most cops are just mafia bosses.

The student should first lobby their own school to change how they educate students. It starts at the school. Make small changes in the school system first. These students have no idea what they are doing. Doing things blindly.

So shouldn't the headline be.. Laxed security in Thai airport?

When will it USA stop being the play ground bully and stop categorizing and criticizing the world on their own believe. Thinking their policy is best for the world.

Instead encouraging better understanding among humanity in the world, they choose to build division.

Civilization survive long before USA came along. Get over your machoism USA.

The funny thing about how they worded the title of this article. At first glance, I thought it was a humanitarian plead for help. Then I read and found it to be a drunk driving offense. Fooled again

I cringe at the suggestion of giving money to the police. I can only guess where majority of the donated money would end up at.

I wonder where were the police to control the demonstrators. Ordered by their own to stand down. There is blood on the person's hands that for sure. Military are not designed to do such work. It's the role of the police force. They were sure out there during the last protest. Why were they not there during 2010.

Unfortunately the elites they are referring to are among the red and ptp group. At the end it's all about power. So the peace TV or the reds can say all they want to discredit others. I think their effort would be better spent on strengthening their cohorts lives than stirring up problems between Thais.

I think the time frame, same day, in which the DNA result came back does draw a lot of suspicion. The rtp were so eager to pin this on someone that common sense got thrown out the window. In a serious case such as this requires detailed work.

It's misstep like these that will come back to haunt them...Of course many more. But my feeling is that this case will be thrown out because of incompetence or bad evidence collection technique and contamination of crime scene. Which would be mission accomplished by the RTP as they were able to protect the criminal.

You see folks, now we see proof that democracy breeds corruption. Or does it just legitimize corruption? And Thailand does it in high style. With thaksin as their number one role model.

"...THE Constitution Drafting Committee (CDC) sub-panel on drafting provisional articles for the new charter is proposing that members of the five main agencies installed by the junta be barred from political |positions for two years after their terms end..."

What a refreshing idea. Anybody surprised some of these NLA members do not want this put in the new charter?

Envoy rejects US paper's attack on Thai government

well of course he would...

here is the editorial and

here is this guy's response.

you be the judge...

thanks for publishing the editorial. was a good read and thught provoking. in the forty two years I have been associated with thailand i have seen general after genaeral take over. it has not worked in the past and as long as the people of the north and northeast ae reated as second class citizens, don't think things will change.

As long as there are people to classify people in to classes, there will never be equality. USA has a big second and third class citizen. That is just political propaganda to attract a certain group to support them.

What is the standard of a first class and second class citizen? To have more makes you are an upper class citizen? Who is to say a person in issan living on a farm working on his rice field is a second class citizen? He may not be able to own a car. But he has no stress about making car payments, fixing the car, paying for the high price of gas. All material things causes unnecessary stress in life. And we buy in to that as success and an upper class status. Having all of that and a lung full of polluted air and money worries is hardly thing close to upper class.

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And the WITCH HUNT continues

And if I were her I would of ran a long time ago she has no chance of any fair trial or anything with a government that imposed itself at the point of a gun

Which they did for a very good reason, and it is all coming out now ...

The Army staged the coup not for a problem in the rice pledging scheme but because opposition political activists took to the streets and disrupted the city, to voice their discontent with the amnesty bill. If my memory serves me correctly, that was the real catalyst that took things to the streets. When Yingluck bent to their demands and dissolved the parliament and new elections were scheduled that was not good enough and they disrupted those elections as well. The police and Army failed to uphold the law and the Army and its political supporters saw this as a chance to take over and and are now in the process of cleansing the opposition political base. Whether Yingluck is guilty of negligence, malfeasance, or anything else should be determined only after a legitimate elected government is established and prosecutors and judicial system are free of the junta's influence. This is definitely nothing more than an attempt to silence and stop the red shirt influence in government. There has been no effort to reconcile differences and it is amazing how Abhisit seems free to contribute his opinions and the other side is silenced. This is all about who is to control the country not about rice schemes, corruption, or anything else. This is just the excuse that is being used. Whether you like it or not the yellow shirt side is about status quo and the red shirt side threatens that.

Everyone knows the rice scheme was a failure but on the other hand the current government is still creating subsidy programs for rice, rubber, and palm oil. Some one pays for the subsidies and that is usually the tax payer. The current government is using these subsidies the same way the Yingluck government did and that is to support their base. The current government is doing the same things trying to neutralize rural opposition to the junta.

I'd like to ask people of supporters of both factions a question,

Why is it not the priority of the law to go after the people that stole the rice and money to fund the project? why are they not in the spotlight? and lets face it,

It wasn't just politicians, there were warehouse's contractors, millers, large rice growing company's, middle men, go after them and get the money back.

They are going after them. In order for yl to be found innocent would be to have her prove in court that she only relied on the report and information given to her by her ministers and staff. Then all the finger pointing will start. Because we all know deep inside all of us, she had no idea what was going on.

But Thaksin know Thai psychology, they will all feel sorry for her being duped. So she would be the best fall person for the heist.

she's just a total lier and crook and front for Taksin his crew and resort robbing Thialnd blind. I really hope she and many rot for a long time or for ever in Jail

All total scumbags

and for those who posted I'm full of hate yes i hate what Taksin she and rest have done ansi hate way poor are taken in totally by them

Just because she looks good does not mean she's not as evil as Pol pot Mugabwie Saddam or any of them

Wake up Taksin forang worshipers and admit you are and were totally misguided pathetic naive useful idiots as Stalin said

So full of hate; Thai's always seem to reject reconciliation, it'll end up in tears and bloodshed once again.

If Thai only jail the wrong doers, then we would not need reconciliation. it has to begin now and this is a good start.

Excuse the wrong doers.... Pathetic

Boonsong goose is cooked. With Thailand warm relations with China, the Chinese government will not tolerate any one in their government trying to cover up for this guy nor Thaksin for that matter.

China will not be thrown under a bus for such a low life.

Why should Thaksin be the voice of the red shirts. With all the supposedly red shirts supporters out there, there is not a single one that can truly stand up for them?

It is amazing how the red shirt leaders can not lead it's people with out Thaksin's ok. But we know why, because Thaksin handsomely rewarded them with money and definitely not by his good looks. All it takes is one individual that believes in the red cause and rejects control by Thaksin. Thaksin is obviously living much better than the poor red shirts supporters he used as his political tool. He needs them to continue to build his wealth. What a crock this guy is.

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I find the article heading humorous. I think democracy eroded along time ago and that is why the military was able to took over.

The article is hardly any kind of an analysis but more of a generalization about any situation. Sure it will affect something in the long term negatively, but it will affect other things in a positive way. Depending which business you are in. So we have to weigh the out come. I don't know what other junta have this much autonomy to the people.

The only thing that I see affected are the very people who created this mess and caused the military to take over, The politicians.

Indeed, I don't see anyone anywhere I go that is affected by martial law, but then I don't associate with politicians or trouble makers.

The OP says there are 20 people detained......Out of 65 million.

While the other 64.9999, whatever million go about their normal business.

20 , 200, 2000, Its still people being detained without trial for what they believe in.

These detained are politicians who are the cancer. But no one ever frets about the damages that these politicians did to Millions of people with their irresponsible populist policies. These are hard earn tax and future tax that only help a few of the poor farmers, but mostly benefited the already well to do farmers. Many others that not only eroded, but corroded democracy. Pathetic, time to clean up the the mess and I am glad someone had the balls to do.

And don't tell me that the USA stands for democracy. The last time they had spat with each other, it was the civil war. Better to have the junta come out many times than an all out civil war. BTW, nothing civil about a war.