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Looks like they have their ID card ready, in exchange for the 500 Baht daily

Perhaps that quote is cynical, but let me reply otherwise.

They were holding up their ID cards when it was declared from the stage that the anti-democrats were making faux accusations that non-Thai people were rallying for the UDD/Red Shirts.

To continually accuse the UDD/RS's of having low politicization, and only for money, is not lost on them either.

Good luck to the PAD-Dem's to expand their electoral base with self-defeating denigration like that. They really do have a death wish with respect to improving their electoral appeal.

My quote wasn't cynical, it is a know fact that the red protesters had to surrender their ID card in 2010, as prevention that they went home.

Huh?

Where did you dream that up.

The only thing associated with ID cards in 2010, was when a close associate of mine buried her ID card when those brave soldiers were attacking them in Wat Pratum (sp?).....We went back and retrieved it later.

Some of us were associated with the Red Shirts throughout their 2010 pro-election battle, so don't try to fictionalize us.

From what I see in the picture above, all the bored housewives join the red rallies.

Nothing to do all day lets join the reds.

Husbands are going home........no dinner.

Kids are screaming with the grandmother......mai ben rai.

Let's go and party and also get 500baht for makeup.

These are the red voters.

And then they tell me, "respect my vote".

"From what I see in the picture above, all the bored housewives join the red rallies.

These are the red voters.

And then they tell me, "respect my vote".

The UDD/RS are, generally speaking, 80% women. My guestimate.

However, to malign them, suggesting female votes are not to be respected, as a wee tad sexist, isn't it.

Universal suffrage was resolved many, many years ago.

If we are found guilty, we will revolt.

If you find out that we are corrupt and are thiefs, raped and pillaged the country and its taxpayers we will revolt. Just know that we will not accept any responsibility for our crimes.

UDD democracy!

"If you find out that we are corrupt and are thiefs, raped and pillaged the country and its taxpayers we will revolt"

So will voters.

Tell me again, why PAD-Dem's are so afraid of them.

Tell me again how many redshirts turned up at their last little shin dig ?

One wonders for this proposed mass rally will they supply elevated porta potties again from Mr Happy Toilet ?

"Tell me again how many redshirts turned up at their last little shin dig ?

The UDD/Red Shirts have been very happy with the turn-out at all rallies, recent ones included....Attendance is not a problem for them, as PAD-Dem's try to imply without substance......Reporting wishful thinking as if it was fact is very obvious.

One must understand that whatever the turn-out, they represent the electoral majority....

Subjective innuendo cannot assail measurable electoral objectivity....Ya got that?

Threatening to deter the courts is supposed to be a criminal act in itself. Maybe Ms Thida is in line for a warrant this week? They can not block a coup! What can they do except start a war. I mean really! Do they think they can just take over the Gov and lock themselves in offices and run the country?

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"Threatening to deter the courts is supposed to be a criminal act in itself"

Agreed....That would be the case for non-politicized courts for sure.

PTP will win by a large margin but not because of vote buying, it will be because the opposition are such pathetic failures that have been subverting democracy for the last few months that no body in their right minds would want to vote for them.

What an appropriate picture for dear old moonao - a salviating dog! My spies tell me not to get too worked up about this announcement as it is more an objective than a reality. If the election is held - which I honestly doubt will be the case given the decisions that will be made over the next two to three weeks - before the reforms are agreed, the outcome of the election will be the same as Feb 2. Sorry to spoil your day moonao but Granpa Suthep just ani't going to let you or PTP rain on his parade!

"Granpa Suthep just ani't going to let you or PTP rain on his parade!

There are increasing indications Grandpa Suthep, his powerful backing, his user-friendly Judiciary and Ind. Org's. are getting wet feet.

They misread the political tea leaves...What was going to be a "Walk in Park (Lumpini in this case)" with respect to a coup, is looking riskier by the day....the rats are leaving the ship in droves.

And who will pay the few billion baht to hold another election that like the previous one, is likely to be annulled by the Election Commission because it could not be completed? Taxpayers in this country will again have their money spent wisely for them....

"....is likely to be annulled by the Election Commission because it could not be completed?"

Or did not have the desired result.

Okay that means, Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts... Amnesty bill alive again, and another 4 years of Thaksinocracy...

Thank you EC, for putting up such a cowardice exit to save your sorry face out of it

"Okay that means, Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts... Amnesty bill alive again, and another 4 years of Thaksinocracy..."

If that is what the voters want.

If the PAD-Dem's have a problem with that, convince the voters otherwise.

translation: we would love to but we don't have enough support within to pull it off. instead, and behind the scenes, we will put our weight behind a judicial coup. for the people of course *cough cough*

Don't be afraid M and FB, it will turn out OK in the end, your police seem not worried at the minute, in fact they will not be around if there is trouble, hence the reason the army is HAVING to play a double roll.

You have a vast police force in this country but heavy tasks are not their thing, collecting money is their job-----but some police are good --few and far between though.---Judicial Coup--is that all you can come up with to defend the outlaws. If you two were called up for jury service I would hate to be stood in the dock--you couldn't be impartial if you tried.

"you couldn't be impartial if you tried"

Correct...When it comes to substituting Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy with a Civilian Dictatorship....Yup, I'm not impartial..........Are you?

All of this of course, predicated on the fact us Farangs are inconsequential with respect to Thai politics.....but opinionated nevertheless.

To answer you YES I am impartial, just because I argue about bad government does NOT make me a DEM does it--in your mind it does.

If King Kong was in power and did wrong I would voice my dismay. So does that make me a DEM ???

You have never answered questions relevant to bad government actions---always skirted them and blamed anyone that comes to mind.

You would be impartial if you argued about wrong opposition and wrong government. that's impartial.

We all have our thoughts on what is right and wrong BUT we also have a responsibility to PRIORITIZE --and this should start at management level.

About substituting Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy with a Civilian Dictatorship

"To answer you YES I am impartial"

OK, everyone to their own.

"Ya think? Seems to me the Majority are seeing thru the lies and deceit of the caretakers Govt's. behavior so far" (Post #17 above)

An election would affirm that....or otherwise....Right?

The PAD-dem's seem to have no confidence about the claim in this quote, considering their obstruction of the last election, and the next one.

Nothing like an election to sort this out.

It's getting tedious,& quite frankly,boring, reading the comments & threads being posted on here about Thailand,it's politicians,of both parties by Farangs.

It's about time that the Farangs realised that we chose to come here,& many of us chose to get married to Thai Ladies/ Males stay & live here, & abide with this countries Laws.

Any person who is not a Thai national is a Farang, & therefore we cannot vote,or have any say in how the country is run, so it amazes me why Farangs are constantly critising this country,it's people, the Goverment & the opposition party.

Get real,we are Guests & always will be in this wonderful,& beautiful country,& consequently have no say whatsoever in how it's governed & run.

Please try to keep your thoughts to yourself because constantly whinging & moaning doesn't matter one little bit, if you don't like what's happening here in Thailand, then leave & go home to your Mother country, nobody is forcing you to say.

It is what Political junkies do....opinionate, bloviate, pontificate about Politics....Is that a problem?....

Would you rather Political Junkies on this Board wax loud and long about Ukraine, American, Canadian, or Frisian Politics?

We know we are inconsequential.....The UDD/Red Shirts know we are inconsequential and don't give a rats ass about what we think, given their unilingual approach.

If Political Junkie hot air bothers someone, why would they be on these political dicussion Boards....Go discuss the intricacies of marrying Thai ladies on some other thread instead.

translation: we would love to but we don't have enough support within to pull it off. instead, and behind the scenes, we will put our weight behind a judicial coup. for the people of course *cough cough*

Don't be afraid M and FB, it will turn out OK in the end, your police seem not worried at the minute, in fact they will not be around if there is trouble, hence the reason the army is HAVING to play a double roll.

You have a vast police force in this country but heavy tasks are not their thing, collecting money is their job-----but some police are good --few and far between though.---Judicial Coup--is that all you can come up with to defend the outlaws. If you two were called up for jury service I would hate to be stood in the dock--you couldn't be impartial if you tried.

"you couldn't be impartial if you tried"

Correct...When it comes to substituting Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy with a Civilian Dictatorship....Yup, I'm not impartial..........Are you?

All of this of course, predicated on the fact us Farangs are inconsequential with respect to Thai politics.....but opinionated nevertheless.

translation: we would love to but we don't have enough support within to pull it off. instead, and behind the scenes, we will put our weight behind a judicial coup. for the people of course *cough cough*

"...we don't have enough support within to pull it off"

Also, could it be they are afraid?.......There is a lot of posturing going on amongst the various elements of these 'coup advocates"........ Including this military, pretending they are engaged in security stuff, when in fact they are active participants........The anti-coup people claim that besides mainly southerners, Lumpini is a military thing.

All this posturing and noise does not seem to be translating into action......Before 2006, they would already have pulled the coup-trigger.......now there seems to be fearful and worried discussions going on I think......worried about going back, but fearful to move forward.

Smart people........They have every reason to be fearful and worried......Ya don't throw Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy overboard, and set up a "civilian Dictatorship' every day...Especially up against an electoral majority.........advancing the interests of a political minority is not without risk.

Their notions of smoke and subtlety using their user-friendly judiciary and Ind. Org's is also 'plain as the nose on their face'....No amount of characterizing those who see through this facade and resist it, as being unlawful, holds any water when an entire electoral majority is doing it.....It is one thing to accuse a limited number for not buying into the attempt to normalize the abnormal, but when it is millions....A problem.

Poor babies!

"ya don't throw Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy overboard" I am afraid that's just what the PTP have done,isnt it parliamentary procedure for the Senate to convene and why is PTP blocking the Senate from convening? Ohh that's right it will affect them in the upcoming impeachment cases.

The PTP have thrown every parliamentary recourse out the window, with a brush off, a deny and a lie. Unfortunatley it has come to this from their own arrogance and ignorance of the laws that guide the Parliament to satisfaction of all Thais.

"The PTP have thrown every parliamentary recourse out the window, with a brush off, a deny and a lie"

Yeah, those who sympathize with the anti-democratic side of things, accept Opposition noise described in above quote, as gospel........Many people accept as truth, each and every opposition challenge and accusation levelled at the Govt.

Good thing for Thailand, the Electoral Majority is not that easily swayed.

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" The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship or the red-shirt movement"

Tippy-toe'ing about...Trying really, really hard to avoid political realities.

It wouldn't do to characterize these people for what they are, in contrast to their opposites.......One of being pro- electoral and Parliamentary Democrats and anti-Coup vs. coup advocacy and pro-establishment of a "Civilian Dictatorship"

This anti-UDD/RS/PTP media would be embarrassed by that.

Best to use their affinity clothing color descriptions, in order to avoid calling them what they are....If one calls them a pro-Democracy Movement suggests there must be one against it.....The coup advocates want to avoid and hide that fact...Heavens, what would an International audience think if they knew that.....Best to call themselves anti-Govt. and protesters, when knowledgeable people know they are neither...Coup advocacy is not that.......Normalizing their abnormal judiciary and Ind. Org's certainly blows enough smoke that International audiences will be unable to penetrate.

Lest PAD-Dem's are again moved to diminish rallies of this nature, they need to simply get themselves beyond the fact these people represent an electoral majority......And that majority is "ON" to all this deviousness noted above....They know a coup when they see one...Creeping, Judicial or whatever......Any...ANY...move to base Governance and the selection of a Prime Minister on less than an electoral foundation, is effectively a coup...No-one is fooling anyone by trying to make it appear otherwise......Certainly these people at this upcoming rally are not fooled by this coup advocacy chicanery of the Const. Court.

It is why Amsterdam indicated this CC does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "court".......The people attending this rally representing millions, agree with that, and show it by their attendance at this gatherings.

The UDD is NOT pro-democracy unless democracy means Thaksin dictatorship. They are massing in Bangkok to support Yingluck, not democracy. They support Thaksin, as you have stated many times, and not democracy. The UDD is a armed wing of Thaksin's PTP puppet government and used to intimidate the courts. (publishing judges phone numbers and addresses, blockading courts and threatening to arrest judges, launching grenades at the NACC, etc.). If the rural people of the north and northeast weren't so wedded to the personality cult of Thaksin, they would see how he uses/abuses them. Until the rural people create their own, grass-roots political organization and leaders, they will be exploited by either the old amart or the new amart (Thaksin). Why don't you support the rural people instead of the corrupt, megalomaniac Thaksin? Why, in your opinion, is Thaksin the only route to empowerment for the rural people? You talk about the 'chicanery' of the courts, what about the chicanery of the PTP and the heavy-handed way they govern? Why, even when they have no real opposition, can't they follow the rules/laws? Why do they follow, in lockstep, the bidding of a fugitive felon who doesn't even live in Thailand? You talk about blowing smoke. There's not enough smoke in the world to hide the misdeeds, incompetence, and larceny of Thaksin and his PTP puppet government. And now that the government is having to answer for its behavior, people like you, and Thaksin's UDD, are running around with your hair on fire as if the world is ending. I, for one can hardly wait for that world to end so Thailand can live up to its name, 'Land of the Free'.

It is why Amsterdam indicated this CC does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "court".

If Amsterdam weren't on Thaksin's payroll and were a fair man, he would say the PTP government does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "government".

I've asked you five questions. Your history shows you will not answer any of them but you WILL bluster on about Suthep, judicial coup, disrespecting the will of the majority, etc.

"I've asked you five questions. Your history shows you will not answer any of them"

• Why don't you support the rural people instead of the corrupt, megalomaniac Thaksin?

PAD-Dem coup-makers characterizations of Thaksin as in this quote, is self-serving propaganda trying to justify their non-electoral power-grab...Something they are trying to do all over again......

If such characterizations were anything more than Opposition, coup-maker self-serving folderol, do you honestly believe an entire Thai Electorate could be so blind as to vote for someone like that...both before the 2006 coup, and the last election where he was transparently front-and-center? Don't believe all the unelectable, coup-advocacy stuff for heaven's sake....Be reasonable.

I support and respect the rural people same as all the Thai electorate....The fact they voted for Thaksin and his post-2006 coup political elements have solid reasons....too voluminous to get into here...but believe me, there are many reasons why they voted as they have, and relegated the PAD-Dem's to their minority role.

• Why, in your opinion, is Thaksin the only route to empowerment for the rural people?

A short answer...Because he introduced political programs that reflected their needs......Something i wish the DP would do in order to bring about a competitive electoral situation, and by extension, a balance of power in Parliament.

The reason he and his current political elements seem to be the only route of "empowerment for the rural people" is because the DP is not offering it....All they hear from them is how stupid they are, how politically uni-dimensional they are (Thaksin), how they are politicized to such a low level as to only be motivated by money......None of that is true, but it sure demonizes the DP in the eyes of the electoral majority, and deprives them of any chance at electoral success....By appeasing their own narrow political base, they are alienating themselves from a majority electorate they need in the future.....Very, very stupid.

• You talk about the 'chicanery' of the courts, what about the chicanery of the PTP and the heavy-handed way they govern?

They are not governing heavy-handedly.....They are not governing any differently than any other Parliamentary majority elsewhere......Don't let that idiot mantra of the unelectables regarding "Parliamentary Dictatorship" fool you....In fact, I would argue that the PTP have not been heavy-handed enough...There are a number of electoral planks on the basis of which they were elected, that they have allowed Opposition noise to intimidate them away from....Just one case in point, is Constitutional Reform....I could cite many more...the UDD/RS have been quite critically vocal about the non-aggressive approach by the PTP when they have an electoral mandate to deliver......Bitching about Parliamentray procedural stuff by the PAD-Dem's, are typical complaints from all parliamentary minorities....If the don't like it, win a d... election.

• Why, even when they have no real opposition, can't they follow the rules/laws?

The politicized abnormality of the judiciary and Ind. Org's.....That is why....It is in the interest of the Opposition to characterize these things as normal. Thereby painting resistance to that politicized opposition via non-parliamentary sources, as being unlawful....Standing up to the Elitist and 2006 coup-rooted CC, NACC, anti-election election commission, etc, etc is not seen as unlawful by the electoral majority....Only by the self-serving Elitist side of the political divide. They also know the truth about this, but phonily paint their opposition as being unlawful.

• Why do they follow, in lockstep, the bidding of a fugitive felon who doesn't even live in Thailand?

They don't, but Opposition PAD-dem's like to paint them as such.....It is this uni-dimensional denigration they like to foist on their political opposites....It is their way of showing how stupid the voters are who don't vote for them...Totally being unaware of how politicized these people are.

That said, it is undeniable that he exercises influence...as he should.....The 2006 Coup-makers did not deprive him of electoral legitimacy. Instead it was them, who were summarily dismissed by the electorate. Most Prime Ministerial offices are collegial in approach, with advisors of various strengths contributing.....

He is not a fugitive felon....Coup-maker victors-justice does not a fugitive felon make...It is just PAD-Dem demagoguery trying to diminish their electoral nemesis...Don't be fooled by that idiocy....He is a self-exiled from politically motivated vendettas, via those politicized entities I referenced above....It is not by accident the anti-UDD/RS/PTP media cannot reference Thaksin without using the derogatory 'fugitive' label.....it is just more manifestation of their anti-UDD/RS/PTP orientation....But some believe that s...t as being gospel....And I suppose one cannot blame them, if that is all they read day-after-day over their coffee at Starbucks.

Phew...enough already.

Well it should be that all citizens have an equal voice. No argument with that whatever.

You say:

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• Why, in your opinion, is Thaksin the only route to empowerment for the rural people?

A short answer...Because he introduced political programs that reflected their needs......Something i wish the DP would do in order to bring about a competitive electoral situation, and by extension, a balance of power in Parliament."

I see you spin skills along with comments which are lacking in full truth are alive and well.

"Because he introduced political programs that reflected their needs......" And please note they haven't been paid, some now 6 months overdue and no ongoing substantive comments from the ministers involved, and even worse somehow they have been silenced. What a great example of the democracy you and the fake puppet claim you are protecting.

Your last paragraph is just blatantly untrue. Same on you.

"I see you spin skills along with comments which are lacking in full truth are alive and well.

Your last paragraph is just blatantly untrue. Same on you".

I think it would be to everyone's advantage to have competitive elections and a balance of power in parliament.

It could be argued that all of this political noise of late has its' ultimate roots in that lack of a balance of power in parliament.

If there were competitive elections with a change in Government regularly, and a balance of power in parliament where the minority didn't feel irrelevant because of their perpetual minority status, many political problems would evaporate.

IMHO

" The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship or the red-shirt movement"

Tippy-toe'ing about...Trying really, really hard to avoid political realities.

It wouldn't do to characterize these people for what they are, in contrast to their opposites.......One of being pro- electoral and Parliamentary Democrats and anti-Coup vs. coup advocacy and pro-establishment of a "Civilian Dictatorship"

This anti-UDD/RS/PTP media would be embarrassed by that.

Best to use their affinity clothing color descriptions, in order to avoid calling them what they are....If one calls them a pro-Democracy Movement suggests there must be one against it.....The coup advocates want to avoid and hide that fact...Heavens, what would an International audience think if they knew that.....Best to call themselves anti-Govt. and protesters, when knowledgeable people know they are neither...Coup advocacy is not that.......Normalizing their abnormal judiciary and Ind. Org's certainly blows enough smoke that International audiences will be unable to penetrate.

Lest PAD-Dem's are again moved to diminish rallies of this nature, they need to simply get themselves beyond the fact these people represent an electoral majority......And that majority is "ON" to all this deviousness noted above....They know a coup when they see one...Creeping, Judicial or whatever......Any...ANY...move to base Governance and the selection of a Prime Minister on less than an electoral foundation, is effectively a coup...No-one is fooling anyone by trying to make it appear otherwise......Certainly these people at this upcoming rally are not fooled by this coup advocacy chicanery of the Const. Court.

It is why Amsterdam indicated this CC does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "court".......The people attending this rally representing millions, agree with that, and show it by their attendance at this gatherings.

The UDD is NOT pro-democracy unless democracy means Thaksin dictatorship. They are massing in Bangkok to support Yingluck, not democracy. They support Thaksin, as you have stated many times, and not democracy. The UDD is a armed wing of Thaksin's PTP puppet government and used to intimidate the courts. (publishing judges phone numbers and addresses, blockading courts and threatening to arrest judges, launching grenades at the NACC, etc.). If the rural people of the north and northeast weren't so wedded to the personality cult of Thaksin, they would see how he uses/abuses them. Until the rural people create their own, grass-roots political organization and leaders, they will be exploited by either the old amart or the new amart (Thaksin). Why don't you support the rural people instead of the corrupt, megalomaniac Thaksin? Why, in your opinion, is Thaksin the only route to empowerment for the rural people? You talk about the 'chicanery' of the courts, what about the chicanery of the PTP and the heavy-handed way they govern? Why, even when they have no real opposition, can't they follow the rules/laws? Why do they follow, in lockstep, the bidding of a fugitive felon who doesn't even live in Thailand? You talk about blowing smoke. There's not enough smoke in the world to hide the misdeeds, incompetence, and larceny of Thaksin and his PTP puppet government. And now that the government is having to answer for its behavior, people like you, and Thaksin's UDD, are running around with your hair on fire as if the world is ending. I, for one can hardly wait for that world to end so Thailand can live up to its name, 'Land of the Free'.

It is why Amsterdam indicated this CC does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "court".

If Amsterdam weren't on Thaksin's payroll and were a fair man, he would say the PTP government does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "government".

I've asked you five questions. Your history shows you will not answer any of them but you WILL bluster on about Suthep, judicial coup, disrespecting the will of the majority, etc.

"I've asked you five questions. Your history shows you will not answer any of them"

• Why don't you support the rural people instead of the corrupt, megalomaniac Thaksin?

PAD-Dem coup-makers characterizations of Thaksin as in this quote, is self-serving propaganda trying to justify their non-electoral power-grab...Something they are trying to do all over again......

If such characterizations were anything more than Opposition, coup-maker self-serving folderol, do you honestly believe an entire Thai Electorate could be so blind as to vote for someone like that...both before the 2006 coup, and the last election where he was transparently front-and-center? Don't believe all the unelectable, coup-advocacy stuff for heaven's sake....Be reasonable.

I support and respect the rural people same as all the Thai electorate....The fact they voted for Thaksin and his post-2006 coup political elements have solid reasons....too voluminous to get into here...but believe me, there are many reasons why they voted as they have, and relegated the PAD-Dem's to their minority role.

• Why, in your opinion, is Thaksin the only route to empowerment for the rural people?

A short answer...Because he introduced political programs that reflected their needs......Something i wish the DP would do in order to bring about a competitive electoral situation, and by extension, a balance of power in Parliament.

The reason he and his current political elements seem to be the only route of "empowerment for the rural people" is because the DP is not offering it....All they hear from them is how stupid they are, how politically uni-dimensional they are (Thaksin), how they are politicized to such a low level as to only be motivated by money......None of that is true, but it sure demonizes the DP in the eyes of the electoral majority, and deprives them of any chance at electoral success....By appeasing their own narrow political base, they are alienating themselves from a majority electorate they need in the future.....Very, very stupid.

• You talk about the 'chicanery' of the courts, what about the chicanery of the PTP and the heavy-handed way they govern?

They are not governing heavy-handedly.....They are not governing any differently than any other Parliamentary majority elsewhere......Don't let that idiot mantra of the unelectables regarding "Parliamentary Dictatorship" fool you....In fact, I would argue that the PTP have not been heavy-handed enough...There are a number of electoral planks on the basis of which they were elected, that they have allowed Opposition noise to intimidate them away from....Just one case in point, is Constitutional Reform....I could cite many more...the UDD/RS have been quite critically vocal about the non-aggressive approach by the PTP when they have an electoral mandate to deliver......Bitching about Parliamentray procedural stuff by the PAD-Dem's, are typical complaints from all parliamentary minorities....If the don't like it, win a d... election.

• Why, even when they have no real opposition, can't they follow the rules/laws?

The politicized abnormality of the judiciary and Ind. Org's.....That is why....It is in the interest of the Opposition to characterize these things as normal. Thereby painting resistance to that politicized opposition via non-parliamentary sources, as being unlawful....Standing up to the Elitist and 2006 coup-rooted CC, NACC, anti-election election commission, etc, etc is not seen as unlawful by the electoral majority....Only by the self-serving Elitist side of the political divide. They also know the truth about this, but phonily paint their opposition as being unlawful.

• Why do they follow, in lockstep, the bidding of a fugitive felon who doesn't even live in Thailand?

They don't, but Opposition PAD-dem's like to paint them as such.....It is this uni-dimensional denigration they like to foist on their political opposites....It is their way of showing how stupid the voters are who don't vote for them...Totally being unaware of how politicized these people are.

That said, it is undeniable that he exercises influence...as he should.....The 2006 Coup-makers did not deprive him of electoral legitimacy. Instead it was them, who were summarily dismissed by the electorate. Most Prime Ministerial offices are collegial in approach, with advisors of various strengths contributing.....

He is not a fugitive felon....Coup-maker victors-justice does not a fugitive felon make...It is just PAD-Dem demagoguery trying to diminish their electoral nemesis...Don't be fooled by that idiocy....He is a self-exiled from politically motivated vendettas, via those politicized entities I referenced above....It is not by accident the anti-UDD/RS/PTP media cannot reference Thaksin without using the derogatory 'fugitive' label.....it is just more manifestation of their anti-UDD/RS/PTP orientation....But some believe that s...t as being gospel....And I suppose one cannot blame them, if that is all they read day-after-day over their coffee at Starbucks.

Phew...enough already.

Time to call out their Burmese supporters again.One of my brothers in law works at Samut Prakarn and he said for the last show at Puttamonthon many Burmese were re ruited for 350 baht per day plus free shirt.

Of course they wouldn't know when it was appropriate to cheer and clap during the speeches.Perhaps someone stands in front of them and holds up a sign-'cheer!' 'Boo!' like in some game shows.

"Time to call out their Burmese supporters again"

I heard about this PAD-Dem effort to de-legitimize these pro-democracy, anti-coup gatherings.

I saw some of the last gathering on AsiaUpdate, and noticed stage leadership holding up some cards, and the crowd doing likewise.

I asked someone who had been there, what that was all about.

Apparently they were all holding up their ID cards, in response to this PAD-Dem attempt at faux denigration.

Mrs Thida, if you have the money to pay, you can make this red demonstration as big as you like.

These people are not interested about politics or the well being of this country........only money talks.

Certainly the arrogant PAD-Dem's think that.

And is why they remain in the political wilderness.

Very, very stupid to denigrate those from whom they will need votes in the future, to become electorally competitive.

Now who is in the political wilderness at the moment ?? your lot. but they do no wrong cause they are/were the governing party.

Bring on the reds ready for intimidation the day before the court ruling, the governing party has to be protected even if they are way out of order/ even if most will have to stand before the courts.

Fanatics--extremists --known thugs--paid attenders--history tells us, Thaksin smiling in Dubai bloodshed ??? will he care ?? NO this is his revenge POSSE.

"Bring on the reds ready for intimidation the day before the court ruling"

YUP!

Actually not "before a court ruling"...Before an effort by anti-democrats to derail Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy via what is often referred to as a 'judicial coup"

Those who criticize such a gathering, show themselves to be anti-democratic here in Thailand, but would react entirely different in their home countries......Amazing that.

Get the photoshop ready.... the millions of reds are about to descend on BKK again.

Hope they bring plenty of bin liners this time, surely they must be feeling a bit embarrassed that the country are all calling them filthy scumbags.

"..... the country are all calling them filthy scumbags"

Certainly the PAD-Dem's do that, to their electoral detriment....The electorate sure doesn't....To suggest the PAD-Dem's are the 'country' in this case, is thoroughly discreditted by electoral results from that 'country;.

Such characterizations are so hugely incongruous to those of us immersed in a Red Shirt world by virtue of one's residence.

Having long time experiences with them, including major events, etc., one realizes that such PAD-Dem demagoguery is pure political agenda. It has no relationship to reality............However, it can be convincing to those isolated in the PAD-Dem world via their associations. And who are linguistically tethered to their English language media.

When one is constantly barraged with this anti-Red Shirt stuff by that media with no alternative exposure, they cannot be blamed for thinking that that is the way things are.

Only those of us equally exposed to that media plus the UDD/RS experiences, can see the agenda at play.

Two side playing ego trips, double or nothing, stakes - the people of Thailand

Both of these character are choosing to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution

Trying to eradicate Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy and replace it with a Civilian Dictatorship, is an ego trip?

Suggesting a 'pox on all their houses' certainly ignores political realities....especially amazing coming from those who have experience in countries with Democratic traditions.

Mrs Thida, if you have the money to pay, you can make this red demonstration as big as you like.

These people are not interested about politics or the well being of this country........only money talks.

Certainly the arrogant PAD-Dem's think that.

And is why they remain in the political wilderness.

Very, very stupid to denigrate those from whom they will need votes in the future, to become electorally competitive.

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

I agree with you, he was a much better Prime Minister than opposition leader. The murder charges are just political posturing. People have died during the current protests so by the same logic Yingluck could be charged with murder. The murder charges are just political posturing. Doesn't matter where they are educated Thai leaders are all the same. Thaksin was educated in the USA after all. Thai politicians are in it to make money. Same as police or soldiers in Thailand. None of them are looking to serve the public.

"The murder charges are just political posturing",

As was all the selfr-serving Thaksin demonization stuff, beginning with the coup-maker kangaroo courts.

Certainly the electorate understood that.

However, the above quote does bring into focus, the need to "de-politicize the courts' before considering the AV/Suthep murder charges.

Noppadol Pattama, a Pheu Thai executive, gave assurances that his party would definitely assign a representative with decision-making power to attend the EC-initiated meeting

I guess that leaves the only option that Thaksin is gonna attend the meeting.

Yes, I hope so.

Better to have someone with electoral legitimacy there, than the coup-makers who deposed him, and were in turn deposed themselves by the electorate afterward.