taxin

Well its not abnormal to sell with a guarantee.

However is it worth the paper its printed on.?

Common pratice around the world and many developers are building in Phuket again.

Try for a gaurantee thats underwritten by a reputable insurance co or bank.

Nett nett ,dont buy if you need the gaurantee its too risky

I notice a hint of silence from the so called "Industry Professionals" that often use this forum ?.....

Any comments ??

Sure...they could only agree with your summary of the situation which is spot on. Wait and see next year the prices will have gone up by another 5 percent and as well as the guaranteed returns you will also get free curtains and a washing machine

Perhaps in a year later you will also have the free services of a maid for the first year as well

I dont think warranting the guarantee is an issue really, afterall its only money they are giving back to you what you have already paid. Money they originally overcharged you for in the 1st place !

Point is, is Real Estate in Thailand really that bad that they have to resort to such measures ?

Im sure the tax office wont mind though, double taxation at its best ! A nice healthy 15% withholding tax on the 8% wont be sniffed at.

Not sure if the buyer would be pleased though !

I notice a hint of silence from the so called "Industry Professionals" that often use this forum ?.....

Any comments ??

A slightly different perspective:-

I spoke with the wife about this story last night and was very surprised by her response

"Som Nam Na".

I asked why and she said that girls like this are bad for all the good and honest girls in Thailand as they make the good and honest farangs unwilling to trust them.

On another note, did anyone not wonder why he had a knife in the hotel room ?

Maybe it was a self contained apartment ?

Now that's a fact you held back - kind of puts a different light on your little story doesn't it? Just makes it another bad-BG story, and nothing to do with Thai culture but with the fact that either she or her parents are con artists.

Sure tell my your age. I'm 36 - been married 8 years to my Thai wife who is just a few years younger than me. We have two kids and are still very much in love thank you very much.

I actually had a laugh about the guy with the bread-winner-wife. Sore, nah I'm happy, so no need to be jelous of anyone - and you?

In my opinion My Girl Is Different - I think everyone is different, that's what I've been saying all along, there's bad people and good people and its bugger all to do with their nationality - my girl is special (to me granted) and I would not want it any other way. I have no need to compare her to any one as I have no interest in trading her in for a 'better' model. There is no need for me to shout to the world anything about my wife as I am happy and why should I make those less lucky sad or those that think they are more lucky proud. Chok Dee to all.

looks, riches and everything else that yours isnt

...and how does my wife look, ever seen her? How rich is she? am I? What else "isn't" my wife. Pray do tell where you get this information. Or are you the child you seem to be - my dad's bigger than your dad ner ner ner!

So, now tell me how old are you and how happy are you? - shame me

Wolf, your becoming boring now. Im outta' here.....

For people like wolf who are unable to see beyond sex and violence here it is again.....

How did you work that out? Low blows only hurt if you use the right ammo matey (I think you're just sore 'cos I warned of your line of thought expressed in this thread as being racist earlier).

I'll try again and see if you can understand me this time...You do not know if she has stayed with him for material reasons - this is your assumption - the culture does see domestic violence in a significantly different way to the way we do in the West and it is likely that the parents do not put enough weight on the fact that he hit(s) her and do not see this as a reason for them splitting up. In the same way as some parents will tell there daughter's to forgive the son-in-law other indescretions.

You seem to allow your bias to direct your thought and this clouds your view and gives a blinkered conclusion.

The bird in question told my GF this was the reason why she was not leaving him, its not my assumption !

I think your the one who is sore from MGID syndrome, because some falang came on before with a better bird than you !

Wolf, if you persist in arguing with me I will be forced to tell you how young and handsome I am, and how much better my bird is than yours in both looks, riches and everything else that yours isnt.

I dont want to do this but you may give me no option !

Slightly off topic but staying on the subject of violence in a relationship.

Was watching TV last night, one of those badly acted out Thai soaps. I asked my GF why they always blank out smoking, but almost every episode they show a guy belting the crap out of girl ?

This is what she said ......"Because smoking is bad and they dont want children to see it in case they copy".......

Dont you just love Thailand

Yes, but your story is still a BG story.

Fruity talks about the cultural differences and outlook, he didn't state, or even imply, that they were all brought up to look for some stupid farang to fleece, he merely stated that they look for different things in a man rather than just their young-studliness (OK I made that term up, but you get the gist).

In Thailand, in a purely Thai relationship, if the man knocks the woman about and then they split up because of it, all too often she ends up with nothing.

Sounds to me like the parent of the girl in question are looking out for her well being (for the long term). If they have a marriage, then they both deserve to get something out of it - especially if she has had to put up with him knocking her about! (sorry, I don't believe in a 'little over reaction' ending in a black eye as a one off occurance - at best its probably the begining of a long line of 'over reactions').

At worst, her parents are gold diggers and she's a typical Thai girl doing what her parents bid her (i.e. staying with him). You/he are also assuming this is because the house isn't ready yet, it may be that wife beating is not looked on in Thailand in the same way as in the West and the parents do not see this as a reason to give up the chance she has been given of a better life for her and their grandchildren. Its all cultural. That's what Fruity was hinting at (by my understanding of his post at least).

My post was also meant to be purely on a cultural thing, not about wife beating or whores. Hence the reason why I apologized for the story involving such things. For people like wolf who are unable to see beyond sex and violence here it is again.....

Was chatting to a guy I know the other night. Thai bird wanted to dump him but the parents talked her out of it, he thinks its because the parents like him.

He swears its got nothing to do with the fact that the house hes building in Udon Thani hasnt been completed yet ! When I suggested this he got quite angry & said it wasnt like that, told me I had a bad attitude, needed to get with the real world etc, etc.

Problem with farangs is this, because this sort of thing would not happen in western CULTURE (i.e. force the daughter to stay with the guy for material reasons) they think it cant surely happen in Thailand CULTURE, how wrong can you be !

Is it me or is this guaranteed return thing getting out of hand ? Have just read an article in a Phuket magazine about an up & coming development in Phuket, it states that buyers will get an 8% guaranteed return, not for 1 year but for 3 whole years !!!

In the time I have been in Thailand I have seen this climb from a modest 3% to a ridiculous 8%, do people really believe this rubbish ?

OK, I dont work in Real Estate but I know that this "Guaranteed" return is simply loaded on the price of the property, which means that a 5 million baht home is now being sold for 6.2 million, simply to cover this "gimmick".

The crazy thing about this is the e mail address, which happens to refer to a timeshare company ! So no guesses to what they are doing with your "dream home" when your away !

How can they get away with this ? Surely with the more stringent laws in place this cannot be allowed ? Anyone who can enlighten me on this please do.

My sincere apologies to you real estate sales guys out there but this is a joke !!!

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5% is cheap ! For holiday rentals the big boys will charge you as muh as 30% plus taxes. And there marketing is no better than the others !

Its sad to read another instance like this one. Condolences to all involved.

As mentioned in a previous post, I don't really think this guy is a psycho. It seems to be more of a crime of passion. It doesn't make it right, but it lends more to the notion that this was an isolated event and that the guy is probably not as serious a threat to society as a psycho killer. Therefore, I don't think he deserves to rot in a Thai prison. It wasn't premeditated and should be considered a crime of passion. A punishment should be applied with a jail term but nothing to long.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. Everyone to their own.

Are your stupid or what.The guy obviuosly planed killing this girl.and should get the death penalty.

yeah, that's what makes this world crazy...emotional responses..."kill em" "hang em" He shouldn't be free, he's obviously a sad, pathetic, sick person..and yes it is a crime of passion..he should be in jail...and he will suffer. He's not a pyscho, so , he will suffer when he's sober to realize life as he knew it is over AND the women he did care for he killed..sick people do sick things, terrible things..but it's NOT all farangs either. Plenty of Thai people are killing each other in the south over what????? Religion?? give me a crime of passion anyday..as truly sad as it is the Thai women made a choice, a bad choice out of greed and her own manipulations for money..she shouldn't have to pay for it with her life, I'm not saying that..however, maybe it's time Thai women stop looking to farangs for their meal ticket..and made healthier choices..

Have you considered that for a Thai woman (and her family) choosing a rich farang partner could be considered a "healthy choice", since the marriage could ensure the security of them all. I agree with your sentiments, but I think part of the problem here is that falang tend to justify their arguments in terms of their own cultural values, and ignore that Thais don't necessarily share your way of seeing the world.

Yes, so true ! What I have been saying all along. Farangs simply refuse to see it from the eyes of the Thai.

Was chatting to a guy I know the other night, had a big bust up with his TG, in the heat of the moment over reacted and gave her a little slap, TG parents well aware of it, complete with black eye etc.

The Thai bird wanted to dump him but the parents talked her out of it, farang is still in idiot mode like hes just got off the boat, convinced the night he met her in the bar was her 1st night of working in a bar, even though she knows Pattaya like the back of her hand, usual stuff.... anyway he thinks its because the parents like him, forgives him etc...

He swears its got nothing to do with the fact that the house hes building in Udon Thani hasnt been completed yet ! When I suggested this he got quite angry & said it wasnt like that, told me I had a bad attitude, needed to get with the real world etc, etc.

Problem with farangs is this, because this sort of thing would not happen in the western world (i.e. force the daughter to stay with the guy for material reasons) they think it cant surely happen in Thailand, how wrong can you be !

Apologies for the story being of a slightly violent nature, im sure you can understand the moral of the story.

Its sad to read another instance like this one. Condolences to all involved.

As mentioned in a previous post, I don't really think this guy is a psycho. It seems to be more of a crime of passion. It doesn't make it right, but it lends more to the notion that this was an isolated event and that the guy is probably not as serious a threat to society as a psycho killer. Therefore, I don't think he deserves to rot in a Thai prison. It wasn't premeditated and should be considered a crime of passion. A punishment should be applied with a jail term but nothing to long.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. Everyone to their own.

Are your stupid or what.The guy obviuosly planed killing this girl.and should get the death penalty.

yeah, that's what makes this world crazy...emotional responses..."kill em" "hang em" He shouldn't be free, he's obviously a sad, pathetic, sick person..and yes it is a crime of passion..he should be in jail...and he will suffer. He's not a pyscho, so , he will suffer when he's sober to realize life as he knew it is over AND the women he did care for he killed..sick people do sick things, terrible things..but it's NOT all farangs either. Plenty of Thai people are killing each other in the south over what????? Religion?? give me a crime of passion anyday..as truly sad as it is the Thai women made a choice, a bad choice out of greed and her own manipulations for money..she shouldn't have to pay for it with her life, I'm not saying that..however, maybe it's time Thai women stop looking to farangs for their meal ticket..and made healthier choices..

Not half as crazy as kicking terry of the thread !!

Sometimes this forum baffles me, we try to prevent tragedy's from occurring in the future by educating the numb nuts who come to Pattaya & fall in love with hookers, only to be silenced by the moderators !

I think I will start a thread warning people against the dangers of AIDS and that condoms should be worn, or maybe not, I might get booted off !!!

Shame on you !!

No hard feelings Kerryd It was just the "what kind of man..." that got me.

To clear up the mystery, we are leaving Spain because wages and working conditions are crap. We are trying Thailand because we wanted to try life outside of Europe, and we found me a job that means we can afford to keep our house here and my wife won't have to work.

My wife has family in Bangkok and they said that Pattaya has quite a reputation but that shouldn't put us off because it has a lot to offer families too. I wanted to know about the family side, which is why I wrote "non seedy" and was unaware of the whole Pattaya Bashers / Trolls thing. I am definitely niether, but I am a Spain basher at the moment if that's okay.

Having moved to Thailand myself from Spain I can tell you its certainly a big difference ! No more cold mornings, no more drunken Brits (although there are some), nor more extortionate taxis, high rent, overpriced restaurants, and best of all unlike Spain here you got Boots the chemist !!

The only problem you may have is having your missus settle in, Sat afternoons down the hair salon will be a little different from what she has been used to !

I was listening to BBC radio 5 this afternoon and a woman called in - she was 28 and her husband was sixty. they have been very happily married for 12 years, and have two kids. The husband has 3 kids from a previous marriage, 2 of whom are older than his wife. He is also a year or two older tha his wife's parents.

She told the listeners that it was love at first sight and a whirlwind marriage. Her parents were a bit taken aback at first, but now they are all one big happy family, and the age gap is fully accepted by one and all.

So it doesn't only happen between dirty old gits and young prostitiutes in Pattaya.

So a 48 year old man marrying a 16 year old does not make him a dirty old man ?... Anyone ???

...or maybe the guy treated her like a money grabbing, gold digging, whore, and she decided enough was enough and found a better man. The fact is we don't know and speculation just shows prejudice either way.

100% spot on!

What is all this nonsense about MGID? Surely you cant believe that it is impossible? There has to be some cases of SGAD (some girls are different) or MGIYAHALMT (my girl is young and hot and loves me totally)????

You never know, maybe they could all be different strains of the disease. Upto now the MGID strain seems to be the most popular !

...or maybe the guy treated her like a money grabbing, gold digging, whore, and she decided enough was enough and found a better man. The fact is we don't know and speculation just shows prejudice either way.

Mmm, now is skydiver really having a pop at the younger generation ?

Wolf, personally I think what hes actually saying is hes got a better bird than you, does your bird bring back the bread while you sit and your arse doing bugger all ? Have to say, its a lot to beat......

I was rather hoping that familyman would give a reason to why he would move his family to Pattaya. To me it would be the last place on earth for a western family to relocate to, particularly if it involved young children being brought up there !

I imagine there is a good reason for it, maybe job relocation or something....

This is typical of people that fail to realize that there are thousands of people, western and Thai that live in the Pattaya area and have nothing to do with either tourism or the sex trade. I wonder if they have ever been to the Rayong or Sri Racha area and see the very large industrial areas that employee far more women then work in all the bars in Pattaya.

As has been said by many, it is very easy to live in the Pattaya area and avoid the scene that most people think of Pattaya.

I suspect there will be even more expats (and Thais) moving to the area in the next year, as we are in the early stages of rather large expansion in both Sri Racha and Rayong. There is at least 6 major plants ($200-400+ million each) being built or planned over the next 4 years. Virtually all will be built by large MNC engineering and construction companies (admittedly, at least a couple by Japanese, Korean, or Chinese companies).

TH

But the OP is asking about Pattaya, not Sri Racha or Rayong......

................................OLDIE FIGHTS BACK!.....................................

The later pages of this topic are now tending to be far removed from the original premise. Much of the stuff coming out now, with one or two exceptions, is pure bumf.

From the start, there have also been attacks on the older generation and the so called age gap between them and their pretty Thai escorts. All the venom has been directed by the younger generation who also suggest that the oldie is unable to fraternise wih women in his own country.

I suggest that this is jealous nonsense and in reality it's the youngies with their little beer bellies and their dead fish eyes and unable to hold their drink,[it's only piss, guys,] and completely devoid of any worthwhile personality, who are found repulsive by women in their own country.

Most of you don't even know what it's like to be really ALIVE. You will only find this out, when your possible extinction is at hand.ie; another human being wants kill you. I've tried it myself, in the Queens name, in 1957.

While I'm writing this, my wife is earning most of the bread, as a top exec. with a large shipping co. in Bangkok. Later I will collect her 11 year old daughter from school.

My beautiful, sexy and gracious wife is 25 years younger than me and life couldn't be better.

OK guys. Time to get real! I've seen you staring at my wife and then a sly glance at me. I've itched to confront you, but she has restrained me.

Not any more. Lets have a rumble. I could handle myself as a lad. Reckon I still can. You can recognise me. 6ft 2ins/ 14stone/grey hair and thick 'tach. If there's three of you, then maybe you can take me down. But munch on this, ass wipes. One of you won't be getting up again!

Bye Bye

John, its yet another case of MGID syndrome, as you can see its rife !

He starts off well by reminding us that the thread is going off topic, then slips back into MGID mode. Then wants to fight people who want to argue it !!

I think this condition should be taken more seriously, forget killing Thai birds, its the farangs wanting to kill the farangs we should be worried about !!!

Now was MGID syndrome to blame for the poor Thai girl who got wasted ?..... maybe so .....

The thing is Terry, the scenario isn't new. What you are saying isn't new either. What everyone here is saying isn't new. It happens again and again. You'll get no prizes for originality (and neither will I granted), because all that can be said has.

No matter how many times you say it and no matter how loud or how invasive you r propogander could be, people are still going to come to LoS with those rose tinted specs and think its not going to happen to them. Their relationship will be different. This whole web site is about informing people visiting or living in the kingdom, but how many take the time to do any real research (not including a few years of 2 week holidays) - this site is quite easy to stumble apon - other sites of a similar vein exist too and on all you will find the same things - men being stung because they will not take off those d-amned specs.

I certainly would not call myself a serial poster by the way - heck look how long ago I joined up - some guys/girls hit the 000's in a few months

I do agree with looking outside of bars for a meaningfull relationship (rather than a quickie) - my wife was a school teacher and we met through business associates/family. It is quite hard though for farangs new to the kingdom to make that brave jump of approaching a girl in the manor you suggest, and soooo very easy to meet one (who speaks some Tinglish) in a bar. For guys that have not been 'lucky' in their own countries, then it may be all too easy to fall for the girl confusing cusomer service with affection.

I suppose dating agencies may help some here (of course there may be some BG's there too), but less likely as they can meet men anytime.

PS: MOJO is a magazine for the black commumity.

Note to all before you flame me - I am not being anti-BG, just answering another post.

PPS: You and Taxin seem to be at odds actually. It seems that you are suggesting avoiding the BG's in favour of 'more honourable girls' (note the inverted commas folks!), while he is specifically sayong all Thai women are money grabbing, gold digging whores and should all be treated as such.

At what point did I say that all Thai women are money grabbing whores ? I dont think for one minute that they are. What I do believe is that a TG whatever here background, being where she works or where you met her is all irrelevant, they come from a Thai society that says you take whats on offer, thats how they are brought up. This attitude is installed into them from a much earlier age, an age long before they appear in a Pattaya bar !

Answer this for me. Mr. A buys a condo for his TG who he met in a bar, and Mr. B buys a condo for his TG he met at the local school, is Mr. A the bigger fool or Mr. B ? Of course, Mr. A all day long however, if both girls did a runner who would be the biggest fool ? Point is its all about letting your guard down, not about which one is more likely to scam you !

I notice guys like Wolf along with many others who like to make a point that there TG is not a bar girl and never was, by making this point exactly who is the one differentiating the 2 classes of Thai girl here ?

Isnt this topic about a guy killing his TG for ripping him off ? Or is it a thread for farangs to come on and convince us (or themselves) that there girl is different !

MGID sickness is rampant amongst !!

Dumb round disc game, love it !!

And the other one, the building blocks which they stack up high and get all excited about when they fall down ! Call yourself grown men ?

I was rather hoping that familyman would give a reason to why he would move his family to Pattaya. To me it would be the last place on earth for a western family to relocate to, particularly if it involved young children being brought up there !

I imagine there is a good reason for it, maybe job relocation or something....

Job relocation.

In his response to my response, he responded that he had been "warned by my new employer that Pattaya had a reputation for being "seedy" in certain areas".

(If you respond to a response, are you responsible for the respondant ?)

Bah, what can't someone ask me if the Blue Lagoon is still located at the Center Condo complex ?

Ahh, didnt see that bit. Well I suppose work is work and the family have to eat ! As the bar girls in Pattaya like to say !!

I was rather hoping that familyman would give a reason to why he would move his family to Pattaya. To me it would be the last place on earth for a western family to relocate to, particularly if it involved young children being brought up there !

I imagine there is a good reason for it, maybe job relocation or something....

hit the nail on the head john,

but just to be on the safe side lets take it that one step further and really get things in order

#1 dont be a dumb arse and marry a bar girl 10 points for that one.

# 2 dont be a dildo and marry a really young girl 10 points to me for an awesome bit of work

# 3 dont get married at all 300 points to me again

got some other life savers for all the would be love rats out there hoping to hit the big time with the lovely and extremely enticing thai babes.

A . leave all your money, investments and other valuables in your own country and only play

with what you consider is a fair thing to part with. this includes your heart and sanity.

B. live off the interest from your investments and only ever rent whilst you play in thailand....

D "DONT FALL IN LOVE " ...

E "DONT FALL IN LOVE " ...

Well, I felt like ripping you apart until I realised everything you said here was correct. And I scored zero points in your test.

sorry about that jai yen, but all im trying to do is help a few johns from ending up in the big tiger

and a few thai girls live a bit longer as im not really noticing posters trying to give poor johnny a good bit of friendly advice as they really need to be guided through the perils of dealing with the bar girls.

Good on you Terry ! Ok you might be pis#ing half the guys off on here with your ranting but hey, if you can prevent at least 1 of these guys falling into the trap then its a job well done !!

Guys, listen to the man, you can still learn from people after you reach 50. OK yes, you became irresistibly handsome overnight when you arrived here but you didn't become more intelligent, that bit tends to get left in the arrivals hall !

If your on holiday here, use it, abuse it and pay your way ! Go home and forget about the sweet little TG you have just been banging, tell yer mates how great it is, bring them back with you and show them what a great time they can have. Then repeat every 3 months !....

If you must live here and get involved with a TG then be careful and listen to people. A TG who works in a bar is no different to a TG who works at the local tax office, they are both Thai and Thais see us as white men who have money to burn. As far as they are aware its merely disposable income they are taking off you, no different to what the window sales or car sales man does to you back home !

If you are prepared to give up more than your disposable income then you have to be aware of the risks, the risk factor or heartache does not come into it with the Thais. This story of the falang doing the TG in is extremely rare, so until this becomes a dally occurrence then in the eyes of the TG she is doing nothing wrong, shes only taking whats being made available to her !

Rule number 1 ALWAYS..... Only give what you are prepared to lose !!!

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I paid 4,000 baht for my 1st suit, of course it didn't last me very long ! My last one I bought from Peter Tailor cost me a bit more but well worth it, worn it many times and its still like new.

Great post Terry !

There seems to be a serious ammount of MGID syndrome going down in this forum too, should someone call a doctor ??

Pattay Fox,

Funnily enough the answer is NO.

I am 45 and have been happy with my 29 yo Thai girl for over 3 years. We met when she was working at the Business centre for a Hotel in Bangkok and I feel rather lucky.

I have heard and seen many examples of the attitude to which I refer and been well educated on the ways of the Thai bar girl world, so I have some understanding and empathy for victims and some disgust for those bad apples that ply this nasty type of trade in human misery of their victims. Most of which just suffer in silence and live a life less happy or secure for their remaining time.

so your previous statement about `Old Gits` being deluded if they think that the Thai girl loves them does not apply to you then?.....after all your age difference is only 16 years....and I assume that you hope that she loves you..

So when does a farang become ` An Old Git` 47 years of age 50 years of age prey do tell and then we can all prepare for this disasterous event.

I think the point twix is making is more about the age difference, not so much how old you are.

16 yrs is still a fair gap though if I may say so ...