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5 hours ago, Henryford said:

Can anyone reference for me the scientific papers where they have tested the effect of mixing different vaccines?

Been happening since the diphtheria vaccine , small pox etc 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

In fact, Western companies did release their Phase 1, 2, and 3 trial results with all the data before the vaccines were approved for emergency use. But if you've got facts that prove otherwise, by all means, share them with us. But you won't because you've got nothing.

 

Share the truth with a person who has tunnel vision is a fruitless exercise .

That is not true 

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

An altogether feeling of Deja Vu has started to overtake the numbers.  Have we not been here before, and yet how many times can we semi-flatline versus all other countries cases.  Vaccinations have been getting kicked upward and many who have been double jabbed are getting boosters before those getting first shots which I find a little disheartening.  Sur the numbers of those getting vaccinated is increasing, but at least lets get those vaccines to the elderly and over 60 crowd who seem to be the ones dying in greater numbers.  I can only hope for the continued safety of the populace and then for those in need to be taken care of.

From the news reports in Thailand the booster vaccinations are for those on the frontline , such as medical workers . Your post implies there are individuals being overlooked . 

Sad truth is that many over 60 years of age and older in Thailand are worried about asking for a vaccine due to the media condemning the available vaccines . 

1 hour ago, club said:

What vaccine was it? Or is it a secret? 

It is no secret that all vaccines are a risk and  covid 19 vaccines  from east or west are no different.

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Clearly you're attempting to deflect.  I replied to your comments about Sputnik V and pointed out that Gamelaya hadn't even done a Phase 3 trial before the vaccine was released (it also hadn't published the resutls of its phase 1 and phase 2 trials) and your irrelevant response was to raise the issue of Sinovac. 

 So not only did I address the issue of the Russian vaccine, but also replied to your irrelevant claim about Sinovac. You claimed it had completed Phase 3 trials in February. But the only evidence that Sinovac offered for that was a press release announcing the results. A month later it still hadn't released the data. In fact, months later it hadn't done that. But we are expected to take their word for it?

The test results  for the 3rd trial for sinovac in February this year   was far more than a press release . All information has been divulged by sinovac biotech limited . 

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I was replying to these comments of yours about Sputnik V

Do you believe that jargon about phase 3 ? 

Putin made a statement that his daughter took the sputnik v vaccine with out problems .

Sputnik V was made available well before any other western vaccine . 

Phase 3 trials were not completed before the release of Sputnik V

The Sputnik V Vaccine and Russia’s Race to Immunity

The meeting’s ostensible agenda was the government’s preparations for the school year ahead, but the real news came in Putin’s opening remarks, when he revealed that Russia had granted approval to Sputnik V, the country’s first vaccine against covid-19. The vaccine, Putin noted, is “quite effective, helps develop immunity, and has gone through all the necessary trials.”

In fact, Russian scientists hadn’t published any data from their Phase I and Phase II trials, which test a vaccine’s safety and potential for efficacy among a limited number of volunteers, and hadn’t even started Phase III, which tests the vaccine in a much larger group of volunteers, using a placebo as a control. 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/02/08/the-sputnik-v-vaccine-and-russias-race-to-immunity

 

But since you've brought up the issue of Sinovac's vaccine...only the alleged results of a study were announced via a press release in February.

Release coronavirus vaccine efficacy data, ex-China drug watchdog chief urges country’s pharma firms
Bi Jingquan urges Chinese pharmaceutical firms to be more transparent to build public trust in their products
Shots by Sinovac, Sinopharm and CanSino Biologics have been approved for use in some countries without publishing comprehensive phase 3 clinical trial results

Published: 7:30pm, 4 Mar, 2021

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3124113/release-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-data-former-china-drug

 

For someone who claims to be well read on the subject, you've missed out on an awful lot.

 

 

 

It would be remarkable to see western pharmaceutical companies to be more transparent , not just Chinese.

Open both eyes please

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I was replying to these comments of yours about Sputnik V

Do you believe that jargon about phase 3 ? 

Putin made a statement that his daughter took the sputnik v vaccine with out problems .

Sputnik V was made available well before any other western vaccine . 

Phase 3 trials were not completed before the release of Sputnik V

The Sputnik V Vaccine and Russia’s Race to Immunity

The meeting’s ostensible agenda was the government’s preparations for the school year ahead, but the real news came in Putin’s opening remarks, when he revealed that Russia had granted approval to Sputnik V, the country’s first vaccine against covid-19. The vaccine, Putin noted, is “quite effective, helps develop immunity, and has gone through all the necessary trials.”

In fact, Russian scientists hadn’t published any data from their Phase I and Phase II trials, which test a vaccine’s safety and potential for efficacy among a limited number of volunteers, and hadn’t even started Phase III, which tests the vaccine in a much larger group of volunteers, using a placebo as a control. 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/02/08/the-sputnik-v-vaccine-and-russias-race-to-immunity

 

But since you've brought up the issue of Sinovac's vaccine...only the alleged results of a study were announced via a press release in February.

Release coronavirus vaccine efficacy data, ex-China drug watchdog chief urges country’s pharma firms
Bi Jingquan urges Chinese pharmaceutical firms to be more transparent to build public trust in their products
Shots by Sinovac, Sinopharm and CanSino Biologics have been approved for use in some countries without publishing comprehensive phase 3 clinical trial results

Published: 7:30pm, 4 Mar, 2021

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3124113/release-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-data-former-china-drug

 

For someone who claims to be well read on the subject, you've missed out on an awful lot.

 

 

 

For someone that wishes to ask questions and then say you never asked about Sinovac I just wonder if your getting your messges from a bottle

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

What do you mean by jargon? That you don't understand what a Phase 3 trial means? You claim to be widely read on the topic of Covid vaccines.

Is Putin's claim, which is unverifiable, that his daughter took the Sputnik V vaccine your idea of science-based evidence?

If Western vaccine manufacturers had skipped Phase 3 trials too, they could have released their vaccines for sale far earlier. Why do you think that being released first somehow obviates the need for Phase 3 trials?

Phase 3 sinovac trials were completed in February 2021 .

I can not verify that Putins daughter received a sputnik V vaccine as I can not verify many subjects raised on the world's media .  Putin was sending out a message that the vaccine is safe . That is plain common sense rather than scientific evidence.

China never skipped phase 3 trials . Phase 3 Trials' were completed in February 2021

Protectionist policies are the main reason for the rejection of the Sinovac and Sputnik V vaccine's .

Scientific evidence is not required for knowing that .

36 minutes ago, Jen65 said:

and why does scientific data show that it is ineffective ( one dose anyway) against the Delta variant !   So why is Thailand scurrying to find / order alternative recognised vaccines ?  If it's so good ,why then don't we simply accept and use Sinovac ?     

That is because the majority of  vaccines require two doses . 

Thailand is mostly trying to protect the most at risk group such as medical employees by using western vaccines. That unfortunately has not been 100 percent successful in the west 

2 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Looks a good job ???? 

 

I certainly wouldn't take on a job like that alone, I have a very good family member who can turn his hand to steel and concrete work, I'm effectively his labourer although I'm also the structural engineer.

 

Nice to see I'm not the only one who has a proper scaffolding tower ???? 

 

Passable scaffold only , but beats bamboo . 

4 minutes ago, itsari said:

I have been busy with extending a roof to obtain shade to the house and weather a basement entrance .Been on the project for 4 weeks working alone .

I expect to be finished in 10 days.

Thank you Crossy

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Sorry have no clue what you're on about, I read the studies and form opinion, would you like a discussion on that?

When you have a one eyed look at life i see no point  . Stay safe

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just as you provide your opinions, they also provide theirs? Also known as a discussion forum I think.

No discussion as you Brian has made up your mind what the situation is without listening to discussion . 

3 minutes ago, Sudarut said:

Maybe because you poisoned 300,000 babies with contaminated infant formula.  Or perhaps it's the your toxic counterfeit food industry.  Could be the fact your citizens are infected with a disease where an elderly person can collapse in the street having a heart attack or a child be kidnapped and people will ignore it and continue on their on with their business. 

Thalidomide may interest you. 

Public unwilling to get involved is everywhere 

1 minute ago, Tony125 said:

MYOB  I was answering a poster that mentioned a lot of things made in China are low quality.  I did not realise that and thats why ordered products but after recieviing them saw they didn't live up to expectations unlike when ordering from US companies.

Thank you for your reply Tony . 

I am rather sensitive to many posters here that condemn anything that is not western . 

Sorry if i offended you .

1 minute ago, Tony125 said:

My wife said she won't buy anything more from Chinese web site. I bought compresion runing shorts from their site 579 baht but they sent me a cheap one that listed for 90 baht on their site. She ordered sheets for 3,000 aht and when they came was not the quality she expected and looked cheap not like the photos they showed. She bought 2 outfits for 1,000 baht that she is sending back says tired won't buy from them anymore.

Difficult to send back a vaccine after one has received the goods . 

I don't think your partners experience buying Chinese bed sheets  has any bearing on the quality of Chinese vaccines.

12 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Why not Dr Google?

Dr search engines can and are manipulated  

47 minutes ago, itsari said:

Do you believe that jargon about phase 3 ? 

Putin made a statement that his daughter took the sputnik v vaccine with out problems .

Sputnik V was made available well before any other western vaccine . 

 

Your confusion is well understood 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Unlike Russia which approved Sputnik V for sale before phase 3 trials had even begun.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n743

Do you believe that jargon about phase 3 ? 

Putin made a statement that his daughter took the sputnik v vaccine with out problems .

Sputnik V was made available well before any other western vaccine . 

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Mixing vaccines whether its new or not is far from the point. 

 

Who told you mixing one shot Sinovac followed by one shot AZ was more beneficial than two AZ? Thailand has not even claimed that, they said they've yet to release a study, we'll wait for that shall we?

Just read that information from studies made . I  spend more time reading than typing unlike many.

Please don't wait for me . Just try and focus on reality .

1 minute ago, Johnny Mac said:

I thought the same thing after my Sinovac, felt nothing which I found odd. 'No pain, no gain'' springs to mind. I decided against the AZ shot 3 weeks after and will now wait for 2 x Pzifer after reg on the expatvac malarky. 

I had one sinovac and felt no reaction to the vaccine. 

Had a second vaccine of the AZ and that was something else . Had a painful arm and felt down for many days . To say the AZ is performing better as one is suffering is somewhat hard to comprehend .

Pleased that I have completed the vaccine process and thank you to the Thai health department

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Although that is for the 3rd booster shot only in Cambodia. This thread is about first shot sinovac followed by second shot AZ

Mixing vaccines is not new . The process is called heterologous prime boost. 

The mixing of sinovac and AZ was found to be more beneficial than two AZ vaccines . 

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