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16 hours ago, Thaidream said:
Sorry- a Notarization stamp can be forged-
Wrong, the UK embassy would use a secure method, UK notaries public have a unique stamp which can be very easily verified.
UK notaries use a steel stamp unique to their notarial practice.
As I said before, the Thai bank account is an easier option than the embassy requesting notarised documents.
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44 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said:
You have to show documents showing you get £xxx pounds from a, £xxxx from b , £xxx from c etc. It may be fraud, but anyone can produce a document from an alleged fictitious company stating you receive such and such pension. The Embassy CANNOT check the authenticity of such information. Therefore they are stopping the letters.
Exactly, the only alternative would be notarised bank statements and that would have caused a bigger uproar.
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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:
Therefore, it IS the brit. embassies fault that they (alone...) have taken this unilateral decision to leave a number of their citizens here up shit creek!
That is one point of view.
Another is that the Embassy could have continued the service and enforced verified proof. In that all documents in support of income be accompanied by a notarised copy of the bank statement indicating the income received.
There is nothing dodgy about my income but I have only ever sent photo copies of the pension providers letter which could have very easy been fake.
Although it is a bit of inconvenience I would rather the Thai bank account option than enhanced proof requirements. We can only hope there is no new version that would be insisted on by immigration.
People should be careful of what they wish for.
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21 minutes ago, tebee said:
2 no you are wrong - can you name any border where there are different custom regimes on the two sides and no customs checks - should the UK make the Dover border more porous so people can do booze and fag runs more easily post brexit ?
Quite, borders between the EU and Switzerland are probably the closest scenario and what do their crossing points look like.
It is time that some faced the fact that there are only really 2 alternatives, SM or reunification, and it would appear TM is chasing the latter.
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20 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:
“This ignores the fact that there is already a border – for tax, currency, excise and security – that is managed seamlessly with existing technical and administrative procedures.
He ignores the fact that is a border between two member states of the European Union, not an external border to the European Union.
Brexiteer thinking, that you can change one circumstance, without impacting on any other circumstances.
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What the Irish think does not really count for a lot.
In a joint statement the Northern Ireland branch of the CBI and its Irish equivalent Ibec said “a comprehensive customs union between the UK and the EU would help address some of the complex issues presented by Brexit”.
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33 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
And no doubt the people demanding another Referendum will also be demanding that to reverse brexit or cancel it will required a turnout of at least 80% of the eligible voters and a supermajority of 80/20
Criminals are entitled to "beyond reasonable doubt", in civil cases 6 out of 8 jurors.
It would appear that referendum issues are perceived to be of significantly less importance.
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17 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:
what does the chief DUP Chick say? more interesting than Barnier and May
Quite, certainly some strong rhetoric.
The Democratic Unionist Party says it is ready to block the budget and potentially topple Theresa May if she compromises further on Brexit.
In a warning shot to Ms May, DUP MPs failed to back the government in voting against an amendment to an Agriculture Bill on Wednesday.
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8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:
It really depends upon the situation. You should of read the posts I was replying to.
The topic is about extensions based upon marriage which has no combination option. Based upon marriage you would only need to show 3 months if the average income shown for the 3 months was 40k baht or more.
If a person was applying for their first extension it might be impossible to show the income for longer than 2 or 3 months if they had just started receiving pension payments.
Using the combination option you need to show a total of 800k baht of annual income and money in the bank. Your bank letter would have to show enough in the bank to make up the difference between your annual income and the required 780k plus and the extra 20k baht to reach the 800k baht number.
The topic may well be about marriage but it is unlikely that immigration will have different ways of determining income. The combination requires an annual basis and that may determine how they handle both marriage and retirement.
"Based upon marriage you would only need to show 3 months if the average income shown for the 3 months was 40k baht or more."
Is that the actual requirement and what other countries provide? Currently the UK have to provide average over 12 months for marriage, no different from retirement.
At this point in time it is all a bit speculative how they will deal with it going forward.
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16 hours ago, jamie2009 said:
My Tax Allowance goes against my State Pension, what is left is allowed on my Private Pension but not enough so I pay tax on it.
Tax allowances work the same for everyone, the DWP does not collect tax.
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14 hours ago, HHTel said:
It's not about where the pension is paid but where the recipient lives. Mine is paid in the UK into my UK bank account, however it's still frozen.
You missed the point, that is the current arrangement, and it is not about any one individual, it is about the fact that the DWP can pay the state pension anywhere in the world and in doing so there are international agreements that come into play.
Remove the "anywhere in the world" and it becomes a different ball game, but there is more chance of pigs flying than seeing any change.
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On 10/10/2018 at 11:18 AM, ubonjoe said:
Immigration would no require you to show 12 months of bank deposits since you are only proving the income you have on the date you apply. At the most they would want to see 3 months of transfers into your account.
That is a question of interpretation. Currently if you do extension just on income they just require the letter which shows an annual amount and a monthly amount and they convert the monthly to a baht income. If you do the combination they convert the annual figure and add the supporting bank balance. In a combination scenario it will be difficult to see how they can establish an annual amount based on 3 months transfers.
I just did it 2 days ago and the IO initially said not enough money, she had only read the income letter without looking at the attached bank statement.
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20 hours ago, billd766 said:
I know you didn't suggest that trade with the EU will stop but a few others are suggesting that which IMHO is somewhat foolish.
I Understand that at the moment trade deals must go through the EU but I am not sure how it affects individual companies from the UK. Are they still bound by the EU rules and regs?
With regard to the UK and Canada deal there are only 2 countries involved but with the EU and Canada there are 28 including the UK and AFAIK they all have to agree to it.
I found this on the BBC News site today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45796253
King Willem-Alexander said he and and his government regretted Brexit and anticipated changes to the current trade arrangements.
He would have liked the EU referendum result to go the other way, but said they respected the sovereign British people's choice.
Trade with the UK will change, he said, but he believes it will still be very strong after the UK leaves the EU.
The Dutch and British have worked together as neighbours for centuries and he thinks that will continue after Brexit, he said.
Current trading on WTO basis is done under the EU schedule and subject to EU rules, post brexit the EU schedule will still be used for the tariffs.
Trading with the EU will always be available, it is the post brexit bureaucracy the will determine the level.
In the EU Canada deal a new court had to be set up for governance, the same problem that is hanging over the EU UK deal.
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There are those on this forum that have convinced themselves and trying to convince others that nothing will change in Ireland.
"But Mr Barnier warned that so-called phytosanitary checks on live animals and other agricultural products had to be carried out at the border, and would have to apply to 100 per cent of all imports. Some of these checks already exist, but they are only conducted as spot-checks and applied to just 10 per cent of imports."
"He added that there would have to be “administrative procedures that do not exist today” but that “the EU proposes to carry out these checks in the least intrusive way possible”."
"The British government has indicated that it would accept regulatory checks proposed by Mr Barnier and that it does not see them as a breach of the UK’s sovereignty in the same way as it sees customs checks. "
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19 hours ago, My Thai Life said:
Please refresh your memory of what you actually wrote, quoted below: nothing whatsoever to do with regulatory alignment or diseased cattle wandering about.
You have distorted the context by quoting a response to another poster regarding an Irish website. I will remind you what I wrote.
"Maybe you can explain how cattle will differentiate between one agricultural policy and another. First sign of a problem and there will be a fence across Ireland before you know it.
As for your views on 'smuggling', in whatever form it takes, there are those that would not agree with you.
People smugglers are “abusing” soft border controls between Ireland and the UK to get their human cargo past authorities, the National Crime Agency (NCA) has warned.
Officials told The Independent they were concerned about an increase in the number of gangs found to be working through the common travel area, which the government has said it wants to maintain after Brexit."
Now if you wish to disagree with Mr Barnier and the NCA., feel free.
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6 minutes ago, Expattaff1308 said:
Still pay Tax on my Pensions
Many of us do. About 12% of income tax goes on state pension so we are partially funding our own frozen pension.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
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26 minutes ago, varun said:
Actually, this is not completely correct either.
The "Schengen Visa" i.e. Type C Short Stay for a 90-days stay does not have a default status, and applies for both Tourism and Business.The status of the issued visa will depend on the purpose of visit stated in the application i.e. Tourism or Business.
So, physically, a tourist or business visa look identical i.e. both Type C.
It's the visa's underlying data that's different in the Schengen Visa Information System (VIS),depending on the purpose of visit.
E.g. If you've travelling for the business,
then airport immigration will be able to pull up details of the inviting company etc., based on the visa number.
Quite right, should have just said 90 day visa. Several business related examples in the Schengen handbook.
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13 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:
Correct I contributed for nearly 50 years, some one who has never worked or rarely worked and never contributed will gat a State Pension and assuming they have no more I think than £16k will also qualify for top up benefits.
It’s a great way by the UK government too reward the hard working people who not only paid N.I but Income Tax and Graduated Pension before it was abolished.
Yes, i was 49 years and one incomplete year, my birthday being in August. I do not think you can actually achieve 50 years, would need to be one day short.
Before coming to Thailand I had an ex council house and the one next to me was still council. The first neighbour was very good but she moved away and was replaced by 2 unmarried 17 year olds. The had no intention of ever working and in due course they will get the full pension after having lived off the state throughout their lives.
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17 hours ago, Jingthing said:
Not making any predictions. There have been no such announcements from Thai immigration of any planned policy change on that matter. If and when that happens, then the very long standing will have changed. But not now. The British embassy does not make Thai immigration policy.
Nothing has changed now, did my extension yesterday, exactly the same as last year.
Until something does change, leave out the inflammatory comments
"How difficult is that if you have no such letter?"
You really think that the Thai government would not become aware of any petition aimed at the Bangkok Embassy. You have been around a while, thought you would have understood the concept of losing face.
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5 hours ago, AbeSurd said:
Fair comment. But the other side of the coin is that by living abroad you're spending your money abroad and not in the UK.
That is an invalid argument. Anyone that has made the same contributions should be entitled to the same returns, irrespective of anything else.
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On 10/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, Expatwannabee said:
It's actually worse than that. It's not that pensioner's money was badly invested. It's not invested at all.What a pensioner pays in while working is used to pay the pensions of those already retired. Then when the worker retires his pension is paid out of money collected from those still working. Typical government scam.
Quite right but I would say it was generally speaking a badly managed arrangement rather than a deliberate scam. It worked to a certain extent with a growing working population, the problems came when the elderly started living longer and the outgoings increased significantly.
The frozen pensions is a separate issue altogether, the law currently requires an appropriate reciprocal agreement is in place and they abandoned making these agreements I think about 30 years ago. They are quite complex, Canada for instance has an agreement but it does not include pension payments.
The government needs to change the law, which could be relatively easy by making pensions only payable in the UK then international agreement would not come into it.
Of course the government will look to any excuse to avoid the expense.
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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:
Embassy income letters are required for all income based applications.
You are quite entitled to believe that statement will still stand this time next year.
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45 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:
Yes, I have the same issue as you, in that I rarely use or update my bank books. And so in talking with my bank staff, I learned that they each have a set amount of transactions, up to 20 or so, that their their update machines will print out every transaction. But if the number of unprinted transactions since the last printed update is larger than the bank's limit, then then the update machine merely gives you a one line status as of that day, and not any of the many transactions that may have preceeded it. To me it's just stupid, but that's the way the Thai bank systems work.
[edited, the more I recalled, I think CIMB lately told me their system at least was based on number of unprinted transactions, not a period of time].
I am not interested in what is in the bank book and the summary update suits me fine. I use online banking so I can get any transaction print I want.
At the moment the summary print does not bother immigration, they just want a copy of the pages, something I fail to understand if it is just a few summary lines. The potential problem is in the light of the BE action will they take a bit more notice of what is in a bank book.
Thai immigration are not interested in online prints but the UK visa section are not bothered in the slightest.
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53 minutes ago, richiejom said:
Without the letter I have a feeling it will make things more difficult...no harm in making our voice heard early on
No harm, other than the fact immigration may well take a dim view and make things that little bit more difficult.
UK govt petitioned to reinstate proof of income letters for British expats in Thailand
in Thailand News
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I don't know about your office but mine was never interested in anything other than the embassy letter, unless of course it was combination. Immigration deal with people from all around the world, civil service and DWP mean a lot to you but little to them, Thai bank accounts they do understand.
At the end of the day it is not up to what you can do, rather what they will want to see.