ManofReason

Wow this thread is like a funeral wake.

What Thailand needs is exactly what Surapong is calling for:

1. Suthep needs to pack up the last 3 tents and organize a trip back south for the 6 wheelchair grannies

2. The frivolous, politically motivated law suits need to be dropped

3. The PDRC individuals with outstanding arrest warrants need to be apprehended by the police and held accountable for their crimes

4. The Democratic party should probably be disbanded for repeatably boycotting royally sanctioned elections

5. Might as well round up the PAD crims still on the loose (to show the world that the rule of law is still functioning in LOS)

6. The ongoing elections must be completed without disruption by the unruly mob and the result must be respected.

7. The campaign by this lawless mob to prevent payments being made to the innocent rice farmers must be ceased

8. Abhisit and Suthep should have to front court to face the multiple murder charges hanging over their head

9. The "popcorners" responsible for firing on and killing police just trying to do their job should by identified and jailed

10. Lastly, something will have to be done to get that mad monk on the streets out at Chang Wattana

As soon as we get these things done the SOE is gone and we're back in business

Chop chop - Songkran is just around the corner

How's life under the bridge? Better than the boiler room eh?

Luckily the investor community realize these clowns are about to be kicked out. Then perhaps Thailand can recover and restore some confidence.

11. Let's have dear Yk up on murder charges as well

12 let's have some accountability as regards the rice scam (YK up on charges again

13 let's issue an Interpol arrest warrant for her brother

14. Send the minister for ear medicine to AA or rehab

15. PTP disbanded for being the lying cheating thieves they are

16. Ban anyone with the shinawatra surname from public office for life

11. Murder charges for Yingluck? You want to hold her accountable for the actions of as yet unidentified individuals? Bizarre. The fact is none of us know if it was or wasn't the Popcorners that actually launched the grenade at Big C killing a child. Only one side took to the stage every night and sought to exploit the child deaths in this conflict. Cui bono! (who benefits?). I see the police today have just arrested a couple of Sutheps' boys with a huge cache of arms, including grenades - peaceful indeed. Abhisit and Suthep gave direct orders which resulted in the murder of a great many people. Huge, huge difference. So there may be a (pointless) hearing, but there'll be no murder charges filed against Yingluck. With illogical reasoning like you've shown here, you may as well charge Yingluck for being in the drivers seat of the Red Bull kids Ferrari?)

12. Rice scheme accountability - that is the role of the parliamentary opposition. So as soon as the Democrats "nut-up" and do their job you'll be able to have all the government accountability you desire. Again, no frivolous charges to be had here.

13. Lets have a proper trial for the man first, the last one was clearly a witch hunt with the sole aim of obtaining a conviction. Guilty or not, one thing is for sure, the corruption that occurred in relation to the land that resulted in the trumped up conviction of Thaksin was of a great many magnitudes larger before any Shinawatra's showed up on the scene than after they showed up. Research the Erawan corporation that initially owned the land, the list of former appointed PM's and the hundreds of millions of US dollars involved makes anything Thaksin may have done look laughably insignificant.

14. Charlem has kicked ass. He has reduced Sutheps' richly funded, elite backed protest movement to 4 guys standing under a tree beside a pond. I say promote the man then sit back and watch the nation boom.

15. Sorry, you only get to illegally disband a political organisation twice.

16. Seems a rather pointless move, you are aware it is possible to change your surname. Thaksin Mandela - has a nice ring to it doesn't it. The Singha beer chick has already lead the way with name changing gig.

Pipkins isnt manofreason, and vice versa. My apologies to Bob Amsterdam, I can tell you are upset for not getting recognition.

Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I googled Bob Amsterdam and am quite flattered for the comparison.

Cheers mate.

Wow this thread is like a funeral wake.

What Thailand needs is exactly what Surapong is calling for:

1. Suthep needs to pack up the last 3 tents and organize a trip back south for the 6 wheelchair grannies

2. The frivolous, politically motivated law suits need to be dropped

3. The PDRC individuals with outstanding arrest warrants need to be apprehended by the police and held accountable for their crimes

4. The Democratic party should probably be disbanded for repeatably boycotting royally sanctioned elections

5. Might as well round up the PAD crims still on the loose (to show the world that the rule of law is still functioning in LOS)

6. The ongoing elections must be completed without disruption by the unruly mob and the result must be respected.

7. The campaign by this lawless mob to prevent payments being made to the innocent rice farmers must be ceased

8. Abhisit and Suthep should have to front court to face the multiple murder charges hanging over their head

9. The "popcorners" responsible for firing on and killing police just trying to do their job should by identified and jailed

10. Lastly, something will have to be done to get that mad monk on the streets out at Chang Wattana

As soon as we get these things done the SOE is gone and we're back in business

Chop chop - Songkran is just around the corner

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did.

Pipkins, I can call you Pipkins can't I? Have you been out having drinkins with Chalerm?

I wouldn't expect you to recognize the qualitative difference, which is a significant one.

One guy has come in here and dissembled all of you guys in just one thread. The only strength you guys had was to post en masse and repeatedly but now you've lost that here as one poster has reduced all of you to flailing en masse, repeatedly.

You also have failed to take note that your bumbler Chalerm has driven Suthep off to a corner of a public park to lick his wounds as Bangkok now ignores both he and his "People's Council."

The old guard elites write the constitutions and the rules of the game but PTP has the better and high quality counselors and advisors which is why Suthep and his stillborn mobs of the invisible millions were unable to overwhelm the government.

It's hard to say what the court will do in interpreting the 2007 coup written constitution but anyone should see the court doesn't want to precipitate a civil uprising by half the population.

Has it ever occurred to you that you might be deluded? What makes you thing that you can pass the judgment what is right or wrong in Thailand? You need to get down to earth. Judging by the failed election there is not even a third of the population. High quality counselors do not employ drunkards to run security operations, do they?

Speaking of delusion. How about the NACC.

After declaring the PDRC protest sites and their tactic of blockading and invading government offices legal and peaceful these clowns are now in the process of gathering evidence to file charges against the individuals involved in the inevitable reciprocal Red blockade of their own offices.

Amazing Thailand indeed.

The more you look into the less substance there appears to be in the divine Miss Y's legal "troubles". I think a unilateral all court backdown from all of the silliness is in the realm of possibilities. I am very, very curious as to what is in store for Suthep in the future. If it all ends in a Red rout as it appears it is going to what will become of him? Jail? Excile? Pardon? Hard to imagine he will get out of this self inflicted mess scott free. Perhaps he is doomed to spend the rest of his life requiring 30 odd "popcorners" to protect him from the long arm of the law.

Maybe Suthep will indeed spend the rest of his life surrounded by popcorn vendors but I don't think Poo's legal troubles are insignificant. The rice pledging scandal is a national catastrophe and the NACC clearly has evidence of egregious corruption in it. Poo was chairman and failed to do anything about it, despite numerous warnings. The massive size of the scheme and damage caused to the make an excellent choice for making an example of a politician. Some of the other 15 people to be charged by the NACC are definitely going down too.

In the past few days there has been a series of verdicts going against the Democrats, Suthep and their mob.

Starting to look like and aborted judicial coup. They've looked into the abyss, shit themselves and are now backing down.

Guess we'll know for sure in the middle of March, if Yingluck is acquitted then it's all over for Suthep and his rabble.

The Constitution is like the bible here: you can find passages to justify about any position you want. Big enough holes in it to drive one of those run away buses through. I was hoping court would find government illegal, dissolve it, and then extending the logic, dissolving themselves as they are part of the government. Poof!

Makes you wonder whether the ambiguity in this document is incompetence or a deliberate ploy to enable the "elite" appointed courts the flexibility to twist things however see fit. Probably the former but possibly the latter.

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did.

Pipkins, I can call you Pipkins can't I? Have you been out having drinkins with Chalerm?

Call me what you want, it aint going to change the fact the Thailand is going to have at least another decade (probably more) of Red rule. I imagine Yingluck is going to age as gracefully as she rules this country.

You may be right about the 10 more years of red misrule but Poo's legal problems are getting to be quite a challenge for their lawyers, so she might have to "die for democracy" and step down. Or did you mean she will age disgracefully in prison.

The more you look into the less substance there appears to be in the divine Miss Y's legal "troubles". I think a unilateral all court backdown from all of the silliness is in the realm of possibilities. I am very, very curious as to what is in store for Suthep in the future. If it all ends in a Red rout as it appears it is going to what will become of him? Jail? Excile? Pardon? Hard to imagine he will get out of this self inflicted mess scott free. Perhaps he is doomed to spend the rest of his life requiring 30 odd "popcorners" to protect him from the long arm of the law.

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did.

Pipkins, I can call you Pipkins can't I? Have you been out having drinkins with Chalerm?

Call me what you want, it aint going to change the fact the Thailand is going to have at least another decade (probably more) of Red rule. I imagine Yingluck is going to age as gracefully as she rules this country.

Appx. 30 days to a month. 180/30 = 6 months

1. December

2. January

3. February

4. March

5. April

6. May

Followed by 30 days to choose the PM

7. June

If I'm not mistaken, June is followed by........

The only negligence the constitutional court needs to investigate here is the mathematics in your post.

I hate to say this

But he is right

Yes, I replied. I admitted I was wrong and apologized. Doubt the UDD supporters understand those words though.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/708408-chalerm-says-yingluck-still-caretaker-prime-minister/?p=7518817

If it makes you feel better, he was only partially right as the 30 days started from2nd Feb (not from June) so he should apologise as well!!

You are quite wrong about that.

Back to the school books for you.

The PM has to be elected within 30 days of the convening of the house which can't occur without 95% of seats being filled.

The house has still yet to convene so the 30 day count down has yet to begin.

You guys all continuously have such trouble with facts.

Guess that's to be expected when you support a cause that has to contort itself into all sorts of shapes to try and justify its illegal actions.

Parliament was dissolved on the 9th of December. So 180 days after that is the 9th of March (or there about) Not July.

See now why the constitutional court needs to be involved.

Not that any of that matters with the impending negligence case coming up.

Appx. 30 days to a month. 180/30 = 6 months

1. December

2. January

3. February

4. March

5. April

6. May

Followed by 30 days to choose the PM

7. June

If I'm not mistaken, June is followed by........

The only negligence the constitutional court needs to investigate here is the mathematics in your post.

I think that the 30 days to choose a prime minister starts from 2nd Feb - which is today, if I'm not mistaken!!!

You are indeed mistaken. The 30 day countdown begins from when the newly elected lower house convenes for the first time which it cannot do until there are at least 95% of members elected which may take up to 6 months (180 days) to achieve. Did you not read the article and digest Charlems' words of wisdom?

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

They've been accused of committing extreme levels of graft. As yet they haven't been CONVICTED of anything. I could accuse you of being a pedophile - does that automatically mean you are? Of course not. The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact. I am always amused how it's not enough to just accuse the Reds of being corrupt, the accusation has to be so wildly extreme and over the top. It's as if those making the claims don't realise it would be absolutely impossible to hide graft on such a scale, so how on earth could Thaksin and co. get away with it for nearly a decade? The Democrats would have to be the most incompetent opposition in the history of mankind as they have still have not been able to put together enough evidence to legally bring down this government even though they (wishfully) believe that they have stolen literally "truck loads" of cash.

In any normal society when and MP or government or PM is charged with a crime THEY STEP DOWN - at that point there is no CONVICTION

also we have already CONVICTED MP's serving in PTP right now when they should be in jail - go figure

That occurs in countries that have independent judiciaries that don't open frivolous cases for political purposes.

Were they convicted of rorting the rice scheme? Of course not.

What a waste of time, tax payer money, human lives...etc...No matter what it is clear that the election abysmally failed and that Thais will have to organize another one some time in the future. The only thing Thai people learned from this farce is that the current care taker government doesn't have the popular support.

If that were true the Democrats should have contested the election, they would have won and been able to implement any reforms that they felt were necessary to fix the country. In fact had they had the fortitude to front up and won they could have done every single thing that the PDRC wanted. No need to destroy the economy or create a situation that lead to children being killed. They could have had every single thing they wanted at no cost - all they had to do was trust the very people they claim to represent to vote in an election. Yet they didn't. I wonder why? Could it be that they knew they would lose? I think so. Only the truly deluded could think that the level of Red support has sunk to anywhere near low enough for the Yellows to come anywhere near winning an election.

Keep dreaming buddy, that's all you can do until reality comes along and bites you in the ass (that will be mid March)

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

It doesn't matter who you 'should' be.

It's just so strange that new members like you keep popping up on TV and that they always seem to be here to support Thaksin...

I'm a supporter of the rule of law and of abiding by election results (even if the party I support loses) - not Thaksin (although I do think Yingluck is rather attractive).

Perhaps the growing number of "Reds" here is reflective of the growing support of the way one side has behaved compared to how the other side has misbehaved in recent times.

What is it you desire TV to be - a little bubble of Yellow sycophancy immune from the outside world and the thoughts and opinions of anyone who dares to hold a different view or opinion and worse actually presents facts that support their opposing views??

How do you expect to learn and grow and test your thoughts if you only hear one side of an issue?

If you truly support the rule of law then you would surely agree that Jatuporn, Nattawut, Kwanchai and similar ilk belongs behind the bars. Those individuals are nothing but common thugs and terrorists. Same rule applies to guys who occupied the airport. Also if you are a law abiding citizen as you claim to be then you would be more than happy to see a convicted criminal and a fugitive jailed, wouldn't you?

Furthermore, how do you expect to learn and grow when in the rural areas under red shirt control anyone who thinks differenty is immedieately physically intimidated and hand grenade ends up in their backyard. Or the most recent parade in Phayao resembling National Socialists parades in 1930's Germany. All those uniforms, all those flag waving....Village volunteers. Get a grip. You're as one sided as it gets.

If they are guilty of a crime, absolutely.

No need to call them names, bit childish.

Airport guys have been free for a long time now, same thing for them - trial and if convicted jail.

Thaksins' conviction, I would favour a retrial as the waters were muddied with politics last time, that said - trial and if convicted jail.

Rural Thais have been used and abused for decades, this place needs a good dose of populist policies to lift their living (and education) standards - the Democrats aren't the solution to this problem - they are the cause.

The parades up north - just a bit of theatre to let the southerners know there is serious opposition to their repeated illegal overthrowing of elected governments. Storm in a teacup if ever there was one - expect the Yellows to play it up as much as they can as they currently haven't a leg to stand on.

How'd I go? 10 out of 10 I would suspect.

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

Sorry for interrupting you all.

I thought a lot of money have been scammed off from the rice scheme BEFORE the protest started?

Who got those cash? If there are no corruption cases involved, no scamming, all the hard cash are in the original place,

the farmers should have receive their rice payment isn't it? All the current problems will not even exist.

Or do i miss something?

The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied。

Ran into some minor difficulties? Billions of baht are lost out of nowhere is considered minor difficulties?

Could have been quickly and easily remedied? By taking money from the intended 2.2trillion baht loan to cover it?

Huge cash keep missing and using more huge money to cover it?

hmm…. seems like a great idea.

Repeat.... ZERO CONVICTIONS.

You thought (read hoped) a lot of money had been scammed before the protests started. As yet no evidence presented and no convictions obtained.

What you guys continue to spout in nothing more than unfounded propaganda that the majority of the Thai electorate has rejected, that's why your movement is currently fading away into nothingness. I'd give it a week, maybe two, until it's all over

The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact.

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

No it's not.

Fact - Shinawatra lead governments (yes, yes yingluck is the PM) have put 1.5 trillion baht into rice schemes over 14 years yet the farmers they purport to help miss one payment…I will reinforce that by repeating it, they missed ONE payment from the government and some farmers are committing suicide while the rest travel to Bangkok to protest. Doesn't sound like they are prospering.

According to the latest report by the Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI), the richest 20 per cent of rice farmers produce 42 per cent of the total rice supply in the market. Meanwhile, the poorest 2.59 million rice-growing households do not produce enough grain to join the programme.

 That means the richest 20 percent are MORE prosperous. The poorest are still the same. So does that mean you are happy that the rich are getting richer while the poor are stagnant?

The extended family live about 100km out of KK. They grow rice. 3 years after the PTP scheme was implemented they still don't own a car. Rain still leaks in through the roof of their house. The husband has a 2nd job. They fear they will loose the harvest. I asked if they know about higher yields through improving water management, better seed selection, alternate pesticides, more efficient harvesting methods and soil analysis. Their eyes glazed up while staring over the 18" black and white TV they saved up for. The only thing sustainable about this scheme is the votes it generates.

Through research and development the Vietnamese, who live only a few hundred km from Thailand, have a sustainable industry that produce 810kg of rice per rai compared to Thailand's 250kg per rai. They need no hand outs, they produce bumper crops and they don't life in dilapidated houses. 1.5 trillion baht could have allowed Thai farmers to mirror the efficiency of the Vietnamese, but then the PTP would no longer gets votes. They need them poor and on hand outs to keep that carrot dangled in front of them.

If the government's real intention was to help farmers, it should have spent tax money on things that would assist the sector towards sustainability, such as research and development, irrigation, transportation, financial management, cooperatives and agriculture education. These efforts have multiplier effects that have the power to eventually lift poor farmers out of poverty. Funding for these longer-term measures should have been accompanied by several sensible short-term measures to alleviate the farmers' debt burden.

Wow, you typed all that to deny a fact.

The only way Thaksin has any power in this country is through the support of the rural poor, as long as his policies continue to improve their lives he will command a majority of the electorate, the minute he fails in this task he will lose their support and cease to have any sort of power. The rural folk are a bit more clever than your mob give them credit for and are certainly smart enough to vote policies that benefit them. Thaksin makes their lives better than the other mob would so they vote for him, pretty simple really.

You truly are a pigeon.

"Knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious". This is by far the best summation of Suthep that I have come across. Thank you.

Can't win an election, tosses out the rule book and illegally takes to the streets, fails dismally and is forced to "consolidate" to Lumpini Park with his 6 wheelchair grannies. There is only one side here who wont fight fair (because they always lose), that's why unlike other current demonstrations occurring elsewhere in the world - the current Thai mob has absolutely ZERO international support. ZZZEEERRROOO!!!

It's a losing cause that has been lost, only a deluded few are maintaining the rage, but in reality, it all ends for you in less than a fortnight.

Commiseration's.

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'Minor difficulties'? Hahahahaha!

Those two words destroy everything else in your post. Do you live in Laa Laa Land?

Or perhaps you're using those two words to ignore every other detail in the post because you are unable to refute or disprove them.

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact.

No it's not.

Fact - Shinawatra lead governments (yes, yes yingluck is the PM) have put 1.5 trillion baht into rice schemes over 14 years yet the farmers they purport to help miss one payment…I will reinforce that by repeating it, they missed ONE payment from the government and some farmers are committing suicide while the rest travel to Bangkok to protest. Doesn't sound like they are prospering.

According to the latest report by the Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI), the richest 20 per cent of rice farmers produce 42 per cent of the total rice supply in the market. Meanwhile, the poorest 2.59 million rice-growing households do not produce enough grain to join the programme.

 That means the richest 20 percent are MORE prosperous. The poorest are still the same. So does that mean you are happy that the rich are getting richer while the poor are stagnant?

The extended family live about 100km out of KK. They grow rice. 3 years after the PTP scheme was implemented they still don't own a car. Rain still leaks in through the roof of their house. The husband has a 2nd job. They fear they will loose the harvest. I asked if they know about higher yields through improving water management, better seed selection, alternate pesticides, more efficient harvesting methods and soil analysis. Their eyes glazed up while staring over the 18" black and white TV they saved up for. The only thing sustainable about this scheme is the votes it generates.

Through research and development the Vietnamese, who live only a few hundred km from Thailand, have a sustainable industry that produce 810kg of rice per rai compared to Thailand's 250kg per rai. They need no hand outs, they produce bumper crops and they don't life in dilapidated houses. 1.5 trillion baht could have allowed Thai farmers to mirror the efficiency of the Vietnamese, but then the PTP would no longer gets votes. They need them poor and on hand outs to keep that carrot dangled in front of them.

If the government's real intention was to help farmers, it should have spent tax money on things that would assist the sector towards sustainability, such as research and development, irrigation, transportation, financial management, cooperatives and agriculture education. These efforts have multiplier effects that have the power to eventually lift poor farmers out of poverty. Funding for these longer-term measures should have been accompanied by several sensible short-term measures to alleviate the farmers' debt burden.

Wow, you typed all that to deny a fact.

The only way Thaksin has any power in this country is through the support of the rural poor, as long as his policies continue to improve their lives he will command a majority of the electorate, the minute he fails in this task he will lose their support and cease to have any sort of power. The rural folk are a bit more clever than your mob give them credit for and are certainly smart enough to vote policies that benefit them. Thaksin makes their lives better than the other mob would so they vote for him, pretty simple really.

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

It doesn't matter who you 'should' be.

It's just so strange that new members like you keep popping up on TV and that they always seem to be here to support Thaksin...

I'm a supporter of the rule of law and of abiding by election results (even if the party I support loses) - not Thaksin (although I do think Yingluck is rather attractive).

Perhaps the growing number of "Reds" here is reflective of the growing support of the way one side has behaved compared to how the other side has misbehaved in recent times.

What is it you desire TV to be - a little bubble of Yellow sycophancy immune from the outside world and the thoughts and opinions of anyone who dares to hold a different view or opinion and worse actually presents facts that support their opposing views??

How do you expect to learn and grow and test your thoughts if you only hear one side of an issue?

This is the sort of mess that arises when military juntas write their own constitutions and unilaterally impose it.

Leave it to the elected guys.

Wow! A long term Thaksinista. Member since 21 Feb 2014, that's nearly 2 weeks!

What has the length of anyones TV membership have to do with anything?

After a certain period of time on this forum are some sort of magical powers bestowed?

Surely people here don't believe that simply because they have been a member on TV longer than someone else that their views and opinions automatically trump those of the newbies?

By the amount of one eyed, closed minded views that are contrary to facts, reason or logic expressed here it just may well be the case that some fools think that length of membership is directly related to truth and accuracy.

Go figure.

What was stopping the payments in October. After parliament was dissolved the constitution prevented payments. How is any of that any one else fault but the PTP?

Yeah.The rice scheme ran into some minor difficulties that could have been quickly and easily remedied had the Democrats not acted as they did. Instead of being a constructive parliamentary force the Democrats instead chose to do all they could to sabotage the scheme and actively worked to prevent payments being made to farmers for the selfish purpose of trying to destroy the elected government so that they could again try to steal power.

If the Democrats were so eager to help the farmers could they not have delayed their mass quitting of parliament and taking to the streets until the farmers had been paid? Yes they could of but they didn't because they wanted to exploit the farmers misery for their own selfish ends. The more the farmers suffered the better they thought it was for them - unfortunately it didn't work out that way and they have lost big time on this issue. If you'll notice the amount of press on the rice scheme has dwindled and the focus is now on the northern secession threats - why? - because the rice scheme debate has been won by the good guys and the Yellows need another red herring issue to try and justify their illegal activities.

'ManofReason' member since 27 Feb 2014. Latest Thaksin apologist from the lawyer in Amsterdam? 'Nuff said

I thought I was meant to be Pipkins?

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

They've committed far more graft than previous administration, you know that- or you just arrived here to unpack your bags. Look into the rice scheme, the billions, the loss in money for flood aid, the 1st time car/home buyer. We're talking billions upon billions just in a few years; let alone, the epidemic corruption leading up to 2006 under square face. Can't reinvent the facts on a forum consisting of primarily long time expats.

They've been accused of committing extreme levels of graft. As yet they haven't been CONVICTED of anything. I could accuse you of being a pedophile - does that automatically mean you are? Of course not. The living standards of the rural northerners and the poor in general has improved dramatically since Thaksin lead or backed parties burst onto the scene - that's a fact. I am always amused how it's not enough to just accuse the Reds of being corrupt, the accusation has to be so wildly extreme and over the top. It's as if those making the claims don't realise it would be absolutely impossible to hide graft on such a scale, so how on earth could Thaksin and co. get away with it for nearly a decade? The Democrats would have to be the most incompetent opposition in the history of mankind as they have still have not been able to put together enough evidence to legally bring down this government even though they (wishfully) believe that they have stolen literally "truck loads" of cash.

And while they continue to squabble and hang onto power in this lockjawed way, another day dawns on the unsafe roads and in the unattended basic needs of the masses. If they put all the energy they put into staying in power and toppling each other, into infrastructure and regulatory reforms, this nation would have been a world leader ages ago. So much misdirected energy from all the political players, it is actually breathtaking really. And the poor normal people keep struggling on in adversity, made a hundred times harder by the very leaders elected to improve living standards for all.

This squabble is largely about one side trying to deal with the issues you list above and implementing policies aimed at improving the lives of the poor and the other side going all out to prevent them from doing so as it adversely affects their already bulging bank accounts.

Yes, they care so much about the poor, who they've been ripping off.

Yes,it could be that they're ripping them off. But if they are you can be sure that they're doing far, far less thievery than the elites were doing for the decades prior to the advent of the Red Shirt movement. Why do you think the Reds have so much support?

MORN I don't watch Bluesky, and have no reason to.

You've conveniently managed to avoid though all the other points mentioned previously.

Corruption charges - plenty of accusations but it's the number of CONVICTIONS that counts and as of this moment to government has been found guilty of exactly ZERO.

Delayed Rice Payments - Pretty much caused by Sutheps' antics in the street, now almost resolved (probably the main reason the Yellows attention is now focused on the secession red herring). Notice the lack of farmers in the streets - basically problem solved.

Secession threats - red herring, if the Yellow nutters weren't ranting about this they would have nothing to say - they've lost every fight/argument they've been in to date. YInglucks' low key, non confrontational management of this insurrection has utterly destroyed the Yellows.

Murder charges - This is where it gets truly ridiculous. Some unidentified thug fires a grenade into a crowd, killing innocents, and you somehow think Yingluck is responsible. May as well charge her with beating up and robbing the Danish tourist in Sukhumvit the other day. Murder charges = drivel.

Fire up that TV, tune in to Bluesky - you'll have a front row seat to the end of days for this anti-democratic minority mob.

There you go again repeating your lies about Suthep and the rice scheme.

What lies? You need to flesh out your arguments a little more. The above is no more than a baseless accusation - put some meat on the bones.

In response. Are you claiming that it wasn't a tactic of the mob to do all they could to prevent the farmers from being paid, no matter how much it destroyed their lives, in the hope that they could enrage these poor folk enough to come and join the insurrection?

If that is your position - the facts don't support it.