NativeSon360

Any man, physically BEATING on any woman, regardless of the reason, is a coward, in the real world of menfolk. Cowards can be very dangerous people.

It is due to that cowardice that most Thai men, will solicit help from as many other Thai men, as possible, including those Thai men who are complete strangers to them, especially when they have to deal with a "face-to- face", confrontation against a farang. And,Thai-men will "readily" resort to that cowardly tactic, even when the farang is considerably smaller than that Thai. So much for the "menfolk" in the LOS, eh!

Thai women are afraid of their menfolk, and for very sound personal survival reasons. Despite their "smiling faces", most Thai men have a repressed resentment toward "farang" men, and will quickly re-act, and rise to the occasion, whenever they are confronted with one their many shenanigans, often with violence to the extreme measure. And, they'll do so, knowing well, that their actions are fully protected with impunity, from within the Thai judicial system.

However, that behavior is indicative of ALL SE Asian menfolk. From the Philippines, to the southern-most tip of Indonesia, the menfolk consider themselves to be "the roosters of the henhouse", even to their own Mommas. It's a tribal mentality. The cultural values, and government systems of SEA societies, support that established social hierarchy, to the max.

If Thai men are considered to dangerous to their own womenfolk, then what should a foreigner (logically) expect? Be smart, Be Russian. Bring your own woman to the LOS. Limit your contact with Thai menfolk (especially on-the-street level, as much as possible), and enjoy your life, in Thailand.

Personally, I don't think there is proof of an increase in violence itself but certainly an increase of reported incidents which can/may be misleading.

Think back to your own countries say as recently as 50 years ago. Abuse was hidden, or even accepted to a degree up to this point.

IMHO of course....................

Quite true. In the village that I grew up in, it was common knowledge that the local chemist used to knock his wife about. He was never charged with anything as far as I can remember, and although people tut-tutted, I don't even think he was especially ostracized. And the local cleaning lady was the same. She was the victim of regular physical abuse for years, but her husband could still drink down the pub, play for the darts team, etc.

Things have changed a lot in the last 40 years, and it's unlikely that these guys would stay out of the courts today. Certainly they would find it impossible to carry on a normal social life with people pretending that they didn't know what was going on.

It'll probably change here too.

I definitely agree with that opinion, especially with the coming of the AEC hub (Bangkok), spearheaded by the ever progressive Singaporeans.

Sigh. Uhm, the picture is from a laklorn. She's a famous Thai actress. It amuses me that you need to go straight to assuming that my feminism is based upon my lack of attractiveness (I weigh 50KG, if you must know, I'm pretty thin). And guess what, I don't date men, and therefore do not need to attract them (yet I do anyway, because, you know, woman who simply exists must exist to be hit on by men).

NativeSon360:

Your wife is wise, and I'm being a bit foolish, because of course I know it will do no good--which is why it's more about other readers than BritManToo and his ilk anyway. BTW, TV wouldn't let me use the fada, but it should actually be Caitrín. :3

Got it. Thanks, and please ignore The Richard Forbrain Society of posters, on this forum. If those blokes were such brilliant "rocket scientists" back home, then they certainly wouldn't be shackled-up with some young girl (in Thailand), who's young enough to be their own grand-daughter, to begin with.

Best Regards, from both of U.S.

ENOUGH! We can all learn from each other, on this forum, if the "baby-boys" just stop playing the "one-upmanship" games. If anyone has anything significant to "add" to the current topic, please do so. Otherwise, best we just all call it a day. Peace,,

Hey, BritManToo, do you have your dictionary handy? You'll be needing it, about now, eh?

Gaslighting?

You got me on that one already.

As for my dictionary, would that be Thai, English, French or Spanish?

The extent of my vocabulary depends on the language with which you wish to communicate

You can speak like an "insecure" idiot, in any language of your choice. It's your own pitiful life you've been living, up to your present point.

Yes, because only criminals abuse female partners. *eyeroll* And even it was true, again, you're blaming the victim. Even if you marry a criminal, you don't deserve the abuse. That's the bottom line here. And guess what? Nice Guys turn out to be abusers all the time. If not physically abusive, mentally abusive. And usually adept at manipulation and gaslighting.

Feminazi is a term coined by Rush Limbaugh, and if you want that association hanging around your neck, that's on you, buddy. Feminism is pretty darn cool, and I'll happily continue to offer opinions which differentiate me from a doormat:

Way to go, Sister. You're right on topic target. Thank you, for the inspiration

My turn now! Any farang who's lucky enough to get a Thai lady, the likes of Caitrin's calibre, has definitely found the Mother Lode of a Platinum mine, and not just in Thailand, either. Wow! Good show, lady.

Yes, because only criminals abuse female partners. *eyeroll* And even it was true, again, you're blaming the victim. Even if you marry a criminal, you don't deserve the abuse. That's the bottom line here. And guess what? Nice Guys turn out to be abusers all the time. If not physically abusive, mentally abusive. And usually adept at manipulation and gaslighting.

Feminazi is a term coined by Rush Limbaugh, and if you want that association hanging around your neck, that's on you, buddy. Feminism is pretty darn cool, and I'll happily continue to offer opinions which differentiate me from a doormat:

Way to go, Sister. You're right on topic target. Thank you, for the inspiration

If you would like to discuss issues of violence against women, especially that of violence against women in Thailand (this is TV, afterall), by men, you are free to do so. You're encouraged to do so! However, you weren't really doing that. You were concerned with "what about the menz?" and blaming the victims.

Not cool, yo.

Most of the women in Thailand with abusive male partners, chose them because of their violent nature.

Seems silly to choose a drug dealer or gang member for a partner then complain about the violence.

It's inherent in the partner.

Now if they chose a meek and mild mannered librarian as a husband, and he gave them a beating, I would understand the complaint.

PS.

Please lay off the feminazi rhetoric (menz is a province in Ethiopia), that isn't cool either.

Dude, you really need to get a grip-on it. You're stomping your feet, like some too-year young toddler, trying to get it all his way. GROW-UP, for heaven sake!

And no, I didn't say anything about you suffering violence, harassment, or sexual assault from a "man." I said you weren't a woman who has suffered these things from a man, and you aren't.

So if you want to limit this thread to just abused women, it's just you posting to yourself then?

(Don't think any men who abuse women will want to confess on this thread)

*sigh* You're not reading carefully, sir. This isn't about who may participate in the topic, it's about what the topic actually is. Everyone can (and should!) participate in the discussion. The problem with your statements (which are essentially "but, men!" statements) is that they are off-topic and therefore derailing.

If you would like to discuss issues of violence against women, especially that of violence against women in Thailand (this is TV, afterall), by men, you are free to do so. You're encouraged to do so! However, you weren't really doing that. You were concerned with "what about the menz?" and blaming the victims.

Not cool, yo.

Caitrin - the following was written to you, by my very Irish wife.

"Sister, why would you bother to waste time, composing a reply, to a descendant of a has-been Empire, who is definitely not a member of your intellectual constituency, to begin with? Reading the flow of his redundant posts, makes the obvious abundantly clear."

Moving progressively along, with the on-topic discussions. Cheers!

Additionally, attempting to be kind, and to reason with a mindset, incapable of reciprocation, is an effort in total futility.

Hey, BritManToo, do you have your dictionary handy? You'll be needing it, about now, eh?

And no, I didn't say anything about you suffering violence, harassment, or sexual assault from a "man." I said you weren't a woman who has suffered these things from a man, and you aren't.

So if you want to limit this thread to just abused women, it's just you posting to yourself then?

(Don't think any men who abuse women will want to confess on this thread)

*sigh* You're not reading carefully, sir. This isn't about who may participate in the topic, it's about what the topic actually is. Everyone can (and should!) participate in the discussion. The problem with your statements (which are essentially "but, men!" statements) is that they are off-topic and therefore derailing.

If you would like to discuss issues of violence against women, especially that of violence against women in Thailand (this is TV, afterall), by men, you are free to do so. You're encouraged to do so! However, you weren't really doing that. You were concerned with "what about the menz?" and blaming the victims.

Not cool, yo.

Caitrin - the following was written to you, by my very Irish wife.

"Sister, why would you bother to waste time, composing a reply, to a descendant of a has-been Empire, who is definitely not a member of your intellectual constituency, to begin with? Reading the flow of his redundant posts, makes the obvious abundantly clear."

Moving progressively along, with the on-topic discussions. Cheers!

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Duh, what LOS are you living in? You'd be quite surprised @ the number of Thais who read, and post to this forum.

There are 4 or 5 Thai men (but not actually educated or raised as Thai, all dual nationality).

Two Thai women (maybe) and two pretend Thai women.

Doesn't add up to much of a surprise!

Be my guest, and Dream on (Mister know-it-all, as usual).

forumuser10, on 28 Nov 2014 - 19:10, said:

There are mainly 2 reasons why some Thai ladies say they do not like Thai men.

1. It is because these particular ladies were very bad at choosing a reliable and good guy, the result is, they end up with a child/chidren without a father.

2. Because of this, some of these ladies end up trying to flirt and interact with foreigners. So in order to make to make the interaction as smooth as possible, and to make it more comfortable for the foreigner, she also makes sure he understands, "she only like foreigner, not Thai man."

Please; that maybe your opinion. Where is your supporting evidence for a comment like that. If its an opinion say so. Don't make a statement without some support

I have no "evidence", that is, there are no scientific studies to back it up that I know of, but my conclusion is based on many years of living here, with a mix of common sense.

Evidence, It's everywhere, if you're not too arrogantly stupid, to pay attention, as many foreigners are. And don't be duped by those Thai women who claim to "dislike" Thai men (especially that ThaiGuy, with whom your gf has had children with. Pray that the day never comes, when that ThaiGuy shows-up on the scene. If he does, then you (farang) are in store for a very rude awakening.

Don't believe it, then I hope you live to survive that day.

IMO it goes much deeper,....the trend of individualism,...a disease formed in the West, through psychopathic capitalism. Yes,...psychopathic,...as a NY Times article explained,...Wall Street seeks psychopaths, for they are the best earners.

Individualism has been migrating into Asia through Western media and Tourists. Individualism is synonymous with a cancer cell,...a total disregard for the harmony of the Whole.

Although cancerous, toxic people have been around a long time,...IMO it was during the American Ronald Reagan years that this sickness became epidemic.

The main cancer in Thailand arises from the PDRC and Bangkok Elite.

"it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" J Krishnamurti

Sir, sometimes it is better to remain silent, and let the world believe you to be an ignoramous, than to open your mouth, and then remove all doubt.

The Op's topic is "Abuse against women in Thailand", period! All these "know-it-all" posters, don't know enough to stay focused on the topic issue. Huh?

As I pointed out earlier, topic is a non event as Thais don't use this forum.

And most expat posters don't know any Thai men, and only know Thai women on a very superficial level.

What exactly do you expect us to do?

Have a big mutual hate Thai men bashing session?

Duh, what LOS are you living in? You'd be quite surprised @ the number of Thais who read, and post to this forum.

And, abuse against Thai women, is not a non-event. It's a daily reality of cultural life, in LOS. Thai women have been "terrorized" with the threat of death, (as a male means of getting a quick divorce, with impunity) in this Kingdom, for many centuries.

You don't need to know any Thai-guys, to know that much, especially if you know how to read, and then "pay attention" Cheers

In addition, I don't need to bad-mouth, or bash Thai-menfolk, in that regard. Their own history of (pre-Buddhist) tribal violence (among themselves) speaks volumes, in the Land of "Staying Alive" with the disarming tactic of the traditional . Capiche?

The Op's topic is "Abuse against women in Thailand", period! All these "know-it-all" posters, don't know enough to stay focused on the topic issue. Huh?

As I pointed out earlier, topic is a non event as Thais don't use this forum.

And most expat posters don't know any Thai men, and only know Thai women on a very superficial level.

What exactly do you expect us to do?

Have a big mutual hate Thai men bashing session?

Duh, what LOS are you living in? You'd be quite surprised @ the number of Thais who read, and post to this forum.

And, abuse against Thai women, is not a non-event. It's a daily reality of cultural life, in LOS. Thai women have been "terrorized" with the threat of death, (as a male means of getting a quick divorce, with impunity) in this Kingdom, for many centuries.

You don't need to know any Thai-guys, to know that much, especially if you know how to read, and then "pay attention" Cheers

The Op's topic is "Abuse against women in Thailand", period! All these "know-it-all", verbose posters, don't know enough to stay focused on the topic issue. Huh?

Yeah wife's grandma.

She's quite a case.

86, still goes up trees for which We always tell her off, and every weekend watche Muay Thai on TV gets totally into it, shouting support or condemnation.

If vertigo is Grandma's only health issue @ 86-years, then that ole girl's doing quite well, all things considered.

Cheers,

FYI - A "Dossiere" containing whatever information (either false or factual) can be created by anyone (with NSA connections) employed by the U.S. government.

Any U.S. citizen, who manages to "piss-off" anyone (with the right connections) back home, can suddenly find themselves being officially labeled for possessing behavioral traits, that have absolutely nothing to do with their true character.

The infamous "Joe McCarthy era" of the early 1950s, where the lives of thousands of "law-abiding" U.S. citizens were totally destroyed, as a result of such corrupt, inter-agency political tactics.

Thailand is kindergarten, compared to the U.S.A., in that regard.

Indeed, if Mr. Ericson can be factually proven to be a "rapist", in the LS, then he deserves to be jailed, for complete STUPIDITY..............

He looks happy. Oviously knew that he would be free to go, although convicted.

Your's is the only reply comment, to the topic, that I consider to be appropriate. Thanks for sharing.

FOOD 4 THOUGHT (maybe????)

People take themselves everywhere they go. If you didn't have much of an "interesting" life, in your own home country, then you definitely didn't bring an interesting life, to the LS.

What never ceases to amaze me, is that so many different "farangs", have so many different opinions, about the internal affairs of Thai society; affairs that have absolutely no impact (whatsoever) upon their obviously boring (beer4breakfast) "farang" lives.

Perhaps there's a reason why so many Thai people, now consider most "residential farangs" to be probable losers back home, because they (those farangs) were far too busy playing the Pinocchio roles, rather than staying focused on the business of their own lives.

Perhaps that's also the reason why all the Pattaya resort "information" pamphlets, are now published in the Russian language, instead of English, anymre!....................................

it gets old.

Huh? What is old about possessing an income-producing, mechanical Trade skill? I'd be very interested in reading your very "sensible" answer to that question

What language are they learning, is everyone on the same page here, German certificate world wide , a certificate of what, just because you went to a German school doesn't get you anywhere , it is the degree that only counts.

BMW hq in Bangkok conducts its business and training in English.

The degree credential mania, as being the main wedge for getting the job interview, is rapidly beginning to wane. Granted, the degree is definitely a plus, but experience has proven that, of one million degree holders (including MBA levels), only a small percentage (maybe 10%) of those graduates, can actually produce a "tangible" product.

A 3.5-4.0 GPA are just "talking" figures on a transcript, and not a barometer for determining the "personal productivity" achievement levels of individuals. Thus, the waning of the degree holding "honeymoon".

Even the PRC is beginning to get that drift, and the Chinese are usually quite face-savingly rigid, and conservative, when admitting to making errors_in judgement.

The trade school "apprenticeship" days are returning, if SE Asians (Singapore & Vietnam excluded) intend to compete against the Japanese, and the western world, in terms of achieved product & service quality levels.

I was clearly waiting for that kind of comment. Just - as of love for Thailand - wanted to redirect any upcoming Thai bashing in this thread. So get ready folks. Bash the German :-)

When I, a German also, was correcting the writing of an English teacher lately, who offered so called "Cambridge Teaching Courses", I was called a Grammar-Nazi. See, you are not alone.

You guys (the Germans that is) shouldn't worry or get too upset about such things. Terrible as that there war was - the post war generation of Germans built a country, and almost a continent, that is the envy of the World. It's a pity that the rest of World still seems to have a long way to go before they learn the lesson that tanks and bombs are not a requirement of power, conquest, political might and economic security.

Germany has many good points - I have lived and worked there on more than once occasion. But 'the envy of the world" is stretching things. Germany took measures to protect its manufacturing industries more than other Western countries. That included keeping the educational systems to produce competent trained workers with the right skills that were required. Britain allowed its equivalent apprenticeship and technical college system decline, along with its manufacturing industries as a comparison. The works council and local authority involvement in German businesses facilitated this with decisions based on wider stakeholder benefits rather than bottom lines alone.

There are some very good people involved in this project - German and Thai. It's being handled carefully and should help develop the growth of a work pool with skills appropriate to the industries that want to establish manufacturing facilities here, including all supports, such as logistics.

In my experience, the German system is very good at producing workers for the activities associated with production. However, there is a tremendous need for white collar professionals and that area needs addressing too (an area Germany is not so strong in).

An increase in the numbers of skilled workers, with associated increases in earnings, must be good for Thailand.

I agree. However, since Thai "protectionist" law stipulates a 51% Thai ownership, of any foreign initiated enterprise, then 51% of the R&D funding, should also come from Thai investment sources, as well.

Wouldn't you agree to that, as being a more-than fair legal stipulation, as well, in view of the facts that:

Documented history speaks volumes, re: foreign investors contributing 100% of the funding capital, while a contingency of LOS "free-loaders" enjoy 51% of the "controlling" interests, and the bottom line profits.

Personally, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution, in alignment with the Japanese point of view

What like the Thai-Austrian Technical College, which has not had anything much to do

with Austria besides the seed funding and some photo ops

from 30+ years ago?

I'm a quite sick of western governments handing out taxpayer money to greedy developing nation burocrates

all in the name of being "good global citizens", when in reality the host countries just laugh at their stupidity naivety.

Do they actually think throwing money around will get results as apposed to the reality: the corruption of that money?

It never ceases to amaze me, how block-headed so many "educated" westerners can be, re: the reality of the LOS. Thailand does not NEED foreign investment capital, to sustain a stable economy. There are no starving people in LOS. The people of Isaan may be "Baht poor", but they are "Land rich".

Any Thai "Marketing Emissary" promoting, and panhandling (to western investment groups) the plight of Thailand, as being a Third World, developing nation, is nothing more than a constituent member, from a long string of free-loading, incorporated grifters.

I am not Thai bashing! The topic focus is about Thailand (exclusively), and not compared to any other national culture, nor entity

I was clearly waiting for that kind of comment. Just - as of love for Thailand - wanted to redirect any upcoming Thai bashing in this thread. So get ready folks. Bash the German :-)

When I, a German also, was correcting the writing of an English teacher lately, who offered so called "Cambridge Teaching Courses", I was called a Grammar-Nazi. See, you are not alone.

You guys (the Germans that is) shouldn't worry or get too upset about such things. Terrible as that there war was - the post war generation of Germans built a country, and almost a continent, that is the envy of the World. It's a pity that the rest of World still seems to have a long way to go before they learn the lesson that tanks and bombs are not a requirement of power, conquest, political might and economic security.

As usual, the topic threads begin to go far "off" the originating OP's thread, but here goes.

Being called a Grammar "Nazi" was definitely unprofessional, however, did you make that correction discreetly (one-to-one), or did you humiliate your "Cambridge" colleague, in the presence of other teachers? I'd be interested in reading about the rest of that story, but only "honestly" so.