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smb- Thanks for sharing. That was really informative and casts new light on my knowledge of Islam. Knowledge is power. Thanks again.
thank u for giving the effort to read not like others
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Israel is killing civilians EVERY DAY and demolish homes but no one talks about it. But when the Palestinian looses every thing, his home, his land, his freedom and his family he goes and blows himself up in any Israeli he finds the world all stands up and condemn
Palestinians have chosen their weapon. Let them live with the consequences of using human bombs. Why do they use human bombs? So there is no one to flee after the crime. There is no one to capture. There is no one to interrogate and no one to implicate the leaders. The brave leaders kill their own people to protect themselves. Murdererous at every level. Even with their own.
edit: spelling
this is what im talking about
why do u condemn their weapon and you dont condemn the isreali weapon???
is it because its orignally made in the U.S.A????
killing is killing usind a gun a knife or even a human...
u take away everything they have got and leaving them throwing stones and the other side cary guns ,tanks and jets..
the isrealis use the guns and the others throw stones
the next day we hear the westerns condemn the phalistinians for throwing stones.loooooooooooooooooool
their are going to die eather way they might as well kill an enamy with them.
for more than 50 years they have had killing civlians and all the world have kept a blind eye. and now they are fighting back with the only thing they have( their own soul)
try to live one day under ocupation then talk
and richb2004
u cant judge a book from the first two pages
i bet u havent read the quran that why your saying this
did u read the part wher it says u are not allowed to break a tree in a war????
Despite the presence of violence in many regions of the world ranging from Ireland to Lebanon to the Pacific Basin and involving many religions from Christianity to Hinduism, the Western world associates Islam more than any other religion with violence. The Muslim conquest of Spain, the Crusades - which were not begun by Muslims -, and the Ottoman domination of eastern Europe have provided a historical memory of Islam as being related to force and power. Moreover, the upheavals of the past few decades in the Middle East and especially movements using the name of Islam and seeking to solve problems of the Muslim world created by conditions and causes beyond the control of Muslims have only reinforced the idea prevalent in the West that in some special way Islam is related to violence.
To understand the nature of Islam and the truth about the assertion often made of Islam's espousal of violence. it is important to analyze this question clearly remembering that the word islam itself means peace and that the history of Islam has certainly not been witness to any more violence than one finds in other civilizations, particularly that of the West. In what follows. however, it is the Islamic religion in its principles and ideals with which we are especially concerned and not particular events or facts relating to the domain of historical contingency belonging to the unfolding of Islam in the plane of human history
http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/IslamAndViolence.htm (if you want to continue reading and understanding although i know that most here are ignorant)
JIHAD IN ISLAM AND ITS REAL MEANING
Islam is the religion chosen by God for humanity’s individual and collective welfare in this world and the next. It is based on belief in and worship of God, without associating with Him any partners, whether in the form of something created, a person, or a concept. True belief and worship requires a deep concern for all animate and inanimate things. The deeper their belief in and submission to God is, the deeper is their concern for all creatures. Belief in God’s Unity prevents humanity from enjoying and exercising absolute freedom in dealing with creatures.
Islam is derived from the Arabic root s-l-m, which means salvation, peace, and submission. In its religious context, it is the expression of God’s Grace flowing in the universe’s arteries, the Divine system to which all creatures-except humanity-have submitted willingly. The universe displays perfect order, for everything therein is Muslim, in the sense that it submits to God’s laws. Even people who reject belief in God or worship that which is not God are Muslims, as far as their bodily existence is concerned. While we journey between being an embryo and a corpse, every bodily tissue and every limb follows the course prescribed for them by God’s law.
The fundamental Islamic principle of Tawhid implies that humanity necessarily must be in harmony with the surrounding world. The vast Muslim universe displays a coherence and harmony of which our world is a part. Although our world is subject to laws special to itself and to the general “laws of nature,” it is also in harmony with other laws governing surrounding phenomena. Human beings, unlike other creatures who tread “the path of nature,” have free will. We bear the gift of freedom and the obligation to harmonize our life with nature. This harmony is also the path of our exaltation and progress, the path upon which God created human nature: Set your face to the religion, a man of pure faith-God’s original nature in which He originated humanity. There is no changing God’s creation. That is the right religion, but most of humanity know it not (30:30).
To harmonize our lives with nature, we first should realize our personal integrity. To do this, we must apply our free will to our energies (e.g., desires, thoughts, and actions) to keep them within the limits established by God. If we do not recognize such limits, we might usurp other’s property, seek illicit sexual relations, and indulge in other sins. If we do not recognize such limits with respect to our intellect, we may use it to deceive others. Our powers must be held in check, our intellect used with wisdom, and our desire and anger restrained by lawful behavior and moderation. In addition, we should remember that we are social beings; if we do not restrain ourselves as God demands, wrongdoing, injustice, exploitation, disorder, and revolution will occur in society.
God does not approve wrongdoing and disorder. Rather, it is His Will that we live in peace and justice. Therefore, those who believe in God and worship Him faithfully are obliged to work for justice in this world. Islam calls this responsibility jihad.
Meaning of Jihad
Jihad has the literal meaning of exerting our best and greatest effort to achieve something. It is not the equivalent of war, for which the Arabic word is qital. Jihad has a much wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause. A mujahid is one who is sincerely devoted to his or her cause; who uses all physical, intellectual, and spiritual resources to serve it; who confront any power that stands in its way; and, when necessary, dies for this cause. Jihad in the way of God is our struggle to win God’s good pleasure, to establish His religion’s supremacy, and to make His Word prevail.
A related principle, that of enjoining good and forbidding evil (amr bi al-ma‘ruf wa nahy an al-munkar) seeks to convey the message of Islam and establish a model Islamic community. The Qur’an introduces the Islamic community as a model community required to inform humanity of Islam and of how the Prophet lived it: Thus We have made you a community justly balanced, that you might be witnesses for all humanity, and the Messenger may be a witness for you (2:143).
The greater and lesser jihad
There are two aspects of jihad. One is fighting to overcome carnal desires and evil inclinations; this is called the greater jihad; the other is encouraging others to achieve the same objective and is called the lesser jihad.
The Muslim army was returning to Madina after they had defeated the enemy in a battle, when the Messenger of God said to them; We are returning from the lesser jihad to the greater one. When the Companions asked what the “greater jihad” was, he explained that it was fighting with the carnal self.1
The aim of either jihad, the greater or the lesser, is that the believer be purified of sins and so attain true humanity. The prophets were sent for this purpose. God says in the Quran:
Thus We have sent unto you a Messenger from among you, who recites unto you Our revelations (and makes Our signs known to you), and who purifies you and instructs you in the Book and in the Wisdom, and also instructs you in what you don’t know. (2:151)
Human beings are in some sense like raw minerals to be worked upon by the Prophets who purify and refine them by removing the seal from their hearts and ears, and by lifting the veils from their eyes. Enlightened by the message of the Prophets, people are enabled to understand the meaning of the laws of nature, which are signs of the existence and Unity of God, and to penetrate into the subtle reality behind things and events. Only through the guidance of the Prophets can mankind attain the high status expected of them by God.
In addition to teaching the signs, the Prophets also instructed men in the Book and in Wisdom. As the Quran was the last Revelation to the Last Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, God means the Quran when He speaks of the Book, and the Sunna when He speaks of Wisdom. We must therefore follow the Quran and the Sunna of the Prophet Muhammad, if we desire to be rightly guided.
The Prophet also teaches us what we do not know and humanity will continue to learn from the Prophet until the Day of Judgment. We learn from him how to purify ourselves of sins. By following his way, many great saints have attained their distinctions as saints. Among them ‘Ali says that his belief in the pillars of Islam is so firm that even if the veil of the Unseen were lifted, his certainty would not increase.2 ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani is said to have had insight into the mysteries of the seventh heaven. These and many others, such as Fudayl bin ‘Iyaz, Ibrahim bin Adham and Bishr al-Khafi might well have been endowed with Prophethood, if God had not already set a seal on Prophethood.
The dark clouds of ignorance have been removed from human intellectual horizon through the guidance of the Prophet Muhammad, and many more advances will be made in science and technology as a result of the light he brought from God.
Jihad is the legacy of the Prophets, and Prophethood is the mission of elevating men to God’s favor by purifying them. Jihad is the name given to this prophetic mission, which has the same meaning as bearing witness to the truth. Just as judges listen to witnesses to settle a case in a court of law, so those who have performed jihad have borne witness to the existence and Unity of God by striving in His way. The Quran says: God bears witness that there is no god but He and so do the angels and the people of learning, maintaining justice. There is no god save He, the All-Mighty, the Wise (3.18). Those who have performed jihad will also bear witness to the same truth in the heavenly court where the case of unbelievers will be settled.
Those who bear witness to the existence and Unity of God should travel far and wide into the remotest parts of the world and preach this truth. This was the duty of the Prophets as stated in the Qur’an, and it should be our duty as well:
...Messengers who brought good news to mankind and who admonished them, so that they might have no argument against God after their coming. God is the All-Mighty and the All-Wise. God Himself bears witness by what He has revealed to you that it has been revealed with His knowledge; and so do the angels. There is no better witness than God. (4.165-6)
There has been no people to whom God did not send a Prophet, so that every people has some notion of Prophethood. As the term used to describe the activity of Prophethood, jihad is deeply engraved on the heart of every believer so that he or she feels a profound responsibility for preaching the truth in order to guide others to the Straight Path.
The lesser jihad, which has usually been taken to mean fighting for God’s cause, does not refer only to the form of striving done on battlefields. The term is comprehensive. It includes every action done for God’s sake. Whether speaking or keeping silent, smiling or making a sour face, joining a meeting or leaving it, every action taken to ameliorate the lot of humanity, whether by individuals or communities, is included in the meaning of the lesser jihad.
While the lesser jihad depends on the mobilization of all the material facilities and is performed in the outer world, the greater jihad means a person’s fighting against his or her carnal soul. These two forms of jihad cannot be separated from each other.
The Messenger of God has taught us how to perform both forms of the jihad. He has established the principles of preaching the truth, which have application until the Day of Judgment. When we scrutinize the way he acted, we shall see that he was very systematic. This is actually another proof of his Prophethood and a wonderful example of following the way of God in behavior.
The believers kept their belief vigorous and active by means of jihad. Just as a tree keeps its leaves as long as it yields fruits so a believer can preserve vigor as long as he performs jihad. Whenever you encounter a hopeless pessimist you soon realize that he or she is one who has abandoned jihad. Such people have been deprived of the spirit, and are sunk in pessimism because they have abandoned preaching the truth. Whoever performs jihad unceasingly never loses his or her enthusiasm and always tries to increase the scope of his or her activities. Every good deed results in a new one, so that believers never become deprived of a good: As for those who strive for us We surely guide them to our path. God is with the good (29.69).
There are as many paths leading to the Straight Path as the number of breaths drawn in the creation, mankind included. Whoever strives for His cause, God guides him to one of these paths and saves him or her from going astray. Whoever is guided to His Straight Path by God lives a balanced life, exceeding the limits neither in his or her human needs and activities nor in his/her worship and other religious observances. Such balance is the sign of “true guidance.”
However great the sacrifices made in fighting with the oppressive unbelievers, they nevertheless all constitute the lesser jihad. It is striving to discharge religious obligations as perfectly as possible. As for the greater jihad, it is really much more difficult to accomplish since it requires us to fight against all our own destructive drives and impulses such as arrogance, vindictiveness, jealousy, selfishness, self-conceit, and the carnal desires.
Although the person who abandons the lesser jihad is liable to spiritual deterioration, he or she may recover. Everything in the universe praises and glorifies God with its every breath and is, accordingly, a sign of the existence and Unity of God: a person may be guided to the Straight Path through one of these signs. For this reason, it is said that there are as many paths leading to the Straight Path of God as the breaths of all His creatures. A person returning from the lesser jihad is vulnerable to worldly weaknesses. Pride, love of comfort and ease may captivate that person. These are some of the perils awaiting one who has returned from the lesser jihad. It is for this reason that the Prophet warned us through his Companions: returning to Madina after a victory, he said: We are returning from the lesser jihad to the greater.
The Companions of the Prophet, upon him be peace, were fearless on the battlefields on the one hand, and as sincere and humble as dervishes in worshipping God on the other. Those victorious warriors used to spend most of their nights in prayer to God. Once, when night fell during battle, two of them had to take turns in standing guard. One took his rest while the other began to pray to God. Having become aware of the situation, the enemy shot a shower of arrows at him. He was hit and bled profusely but did not abandon his prayer. When he finished his devotions, he woke his friend, who asked him in amazement why he had not woken him sooner. His reply was: “I was reciting the sura al-Kahf, so I did not wish the deep pleasure I found in this prayer to be interrupted.”3
The Companions went into a trance-like state of ecstasy when in prayer, and would recite the Quran as if it were being revealed directly to them, so they did not even feel the pain caused by arrows which penetrated their bodies. Jihad, in its lesser and greater aspects, found complete expression in them.
The Prophet, upon him be peace, combined these two aspects of jihad in the most perfect way in his own person. He displayed monumental courage on the battlefields. ‘Ali, who was one of the most courageous figures of Islam, confesses that the Companions took shelter behind the Prophet, upon him be peace, at the most critical moments of the fighting. To give an example, when the Muslim army experienced a reverse and began to scatter in the first phase of the Battle of Hunayn, he urged his horse towards the enemy lines and shouted to call back his soldiers who were retreating: I am a Prophet, I do not lie; I am the grandson of ‘Abd al Muttalib, I do not lie.
http://www.dislam.org/science/other_developments.html
http://www.dislam.org/science/quranic_science.html
http://www.dislam.org/science/clash.html
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Before we state it's simply radical Muslims who are responsible for the terror perhaps a look at some reference material like where Rael Isaac reviews Andrew Bostom's essential Legacy of Jihad at Mideast Outpost ?
Here's an excerpt:
"The famous Jewish philosopher and physician Maimonides, often cited as an example of the fruitful symbiosis of Jewish and Islamic culture, had this to say of Arabs: "The Arabs have persecuted us severely and passed harmful and discriminatory legislation against us...Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they."
"This volume makes it clear that Islam is a religion whose mission is conquest (and eventual conversion) of the world. When one group of Muslims assumes responsibility for jihad, others are relieved of this duty. It is thus no wonder that radical Muslims believe they act on behalf of the entire umma. Bostom shows that even terror is an old and familiar tool: according to the book The Quranic Concept of War, "Once a condition of terror into the opponent's heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved...Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we wish to impose upon him."
Sounds pretty frightening to me!
You’re reading about us from a Jewish book???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If u want to know about Islam read Muslim book and if u want to know about Buddhism read a Buddhist book
We have Arab Jews living in Yemen till this date and we have Arab Christians in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and paltisine and they have been living peacefully until YOU came over and caused unrest between us.
Go to Palestine and ask the Christians would they rather live as Israelis or Palestinians????
If u are really seeking for the truth I think your old enough to know how and where to read.
What u did is like me reading about u from al qaeda books. Does u think your enemy will talk truthfully about u????
Tell me who came with all the Jews from all around the world and put them in Palestine?????
Is there anything called Israel 100 years ago NOOOOOOOOOO
Did the people of Palestine have the chance to choose NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Why did the world support timur to get the country and they don’t support Palestine????
This double standard that ignite terrorism
As long as western countries support Israel and let them kill CIVILIANS. terrorism will remain...
Israel is killing civilians EVERY DAY and demolish homes but no one talks about it. But when the Palestinian looses every thing, his home, his land, his freedom and his family he goes and blows himself up in any Israeli he finds the world all stands up and condemn
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHY THE WEST IS HATED MORE AND MORE DAY BY DAY???
READ THIS
http://www.strike-the-root.com/columns/Rau...auchegger3.html
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Looking at the postings above - Timothy McVeigh did not sadistically torture individuals for the pleasure of it. The Tak Bai military was not methodically torturing individuals for enjoyment. None of these people were pumping bullets into their own sister - and her husband - on a city street, to watch her die gurgling in front of you.
When ws the last time anyone saw anything about ANY other modern day group EXCEPT Muslims hanging the desecrated bodies of murdered foreigners off a bridge? When was the last time anyone other than Muslims beheaded a screaming foreigner - not a soldier, but an aid worker - while videotaping it for their own glory? The only comparisons I know of are the Nazi miscreants abusing Jewish concentration camp inmates, and the Imperial Japanese Army abusing Manchurian civilians.
The entire world has condemned the Nazi barbarians - and also the World War II Imperial Japanese Armed Forces. And - that is the right thing to do. And the Muslim barbarians of the early 21st Century should be viewed likewise - except I think the extemist Muslims are worse than the other two groups.
Let Islam clean its own house of these vermin - and then I will gladly befriend the Muslim world. Bring the "Wolf Brigade" over from Iraq, and let then sort out the PULO extremists.
Indo-Siam
Condemn this
Look at this and remember this is not from world war two and those are not Muslims (thank god)
If this was done by a Muslim u all will blame Islam but they were Christians so they blame the person only
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/
ISNT THIS SADISTICALLY TORTURE INDIVIDUALS FOR THE PLEASURE OF IT?
OR YOU WILL KEEP A BLIND EYE TO IT AS USUAL
talking about killing civilians here read this
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/145.shtml
and if you are intrested here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1308...rticle_continue
http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/english/09...l-prisoners.htm
http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/english/11...luja_221104.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/30/1525237
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/608/608p28.htm
and if u want to see videos i will post them
You shouldn’t blame Islam for everything is done and we don’t blame your religion.
Actually the extremists always blame your religion and what I read here is that u do the same thing
Here this video is made by the Islamic extremists and they say what you guys say (KILL THEM ALL)
http://67.19.194.20/~terrori/cruisaders.wmv
they should put the extremists from both sides in one place and let them kill each other and leave us alone
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Most of the world is in denial and following a dreadful appeasement policy. I think most hope the problem with muslim radicals will go away, so let them have what they want or ignore it.
Like a bunch of Ostriches with their heads in the sand.
“The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men”
--Plato
i think this subject will not be treated with indifference as it is on every bodies mind no matter where you go it is brought up as a discussion point daily, boring as it may be getting to some, this will not just fade away, as indo siam posted we need to stop this now and not later, as later will be to hard,
The question is, how can it be stopped?
Here's an example of how this mentality is worldwide:
Honor Killing in Denmark
The Dark Ages come to Denmark in broad daylight, as a Pakistani man murders his sister in a public street: Bror draebte sin soester .
"Calmly and methodically, big brother stoops over his little sister while shooting one projectile after the other into her. Her spouse, affected by several shots to the abdomen, can only look on helplessly, while his wife is executed by her own family."
This senseless murder brought to you by Islam, the religion of peace.
Can u call killing and torturing prisoners is the act of Christianity the religion of peace?
Your problem is when a Muslim does something wrong you blame Islam but if any other person from any other religion does it, you blame him as a person
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I try to stay away from these loaded subjects, but to be honest I find it hard when we seem to be unable to progress from our basic cave-man roots, despite our much vaunted 'education'.
So many educated people around the world seem to be unable to apply that education and understanding in their world, from leaders down to mr/ms average. There remains a unbreacheable barrier in the mind that won't allow them to stand outside of a conflict and try to understand both sides in order to resolve that conflict.
When a state rolls in with it's army, civilians die, but it's simply 'collateral damage'. No biggie.
When a suicide bomber blows up soldiers/civilians, its a biggie.
I despise terrorists, but equally I despise states that kill with no regard except to their own interests. Both are 'evil', if there is such a thing.
A large part of the problem is when states are religiously aligned, not secular. No government aligned with a religion will ever deal evenhandedly with other religious minorities. Peaceful protest normally fall on deaf ears, and as frustrations rise, it will eventually have no choice but to become violent, in order to draw attention to the problem.
Stupid simplifications of current situations, disregarding what led to it, will end with bloodshed on both sides, till both sides are tired and want out. Only then do 'educated' people start to think. I am not aware of one situation that has been won by a state, compromise always has to follow bloodshed. But the ###### moronic 'we will wipe them off the earth' idiots must first spill much blood before they find their miniscule brains.
your are right
what im reading here from most .is the extremests from the other side.
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Spot on Sir Burr. I think this issue is FAR more complicated than we imagine. It's been ticking for so long. And Dude's comments "i think many people fail to appreciate the deeper reason why the insurgents must die" are just not helpful. Tit for Tat doesn't work. I don't know the answer either but I think some serious consideration of the consequences needs to be thought out by the Gov. Military rule and heavy handedness are only going to bring MORE trouble. I have been reading the Koran a little and I know that all Muslims will stick together no matter what. The current climate in the world has been predicted - for what that;s worth - by Islamist scholars. So what I mean is...... please stop talking about going down there and voting for massacre ... it doesn't seem sensible
All muslims stick together no matter what, HA tell that to the muslims of Iraq who are being slaughtered every day by fellow muslims, or perhaps they missed that verse in the Koran
The Americans and the British troops kill most and blame the enemy.
They caught 2 British solders with explosives and guns wearing Arabic clothes wanting to plant a bomb
http://www.abolkhaseb.net/images/basrah190...srah_200905.htm
(im not saying all the killing are by them but they have a hand in that )
and someone said that terrorists are proud of their "achievements" . VERY TRUE
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Sir Burr:People should have the right to choose weather they have been a part of that country or not
All these borders and countries are made by people.
Few hundred years ago there was nothing called the United States of America but people united and made a nation.
So the original citizens of the states (red Indians), Australia and New Zealand are able to ask for independence?? Will the UN help them loooool
There must be a reason to have unrest in any part in the country. Now the government must be smart about it and solve it in way where both sides win. After all the government is here to serve the people
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When a critian part of Indonesia (timor) wanted there independence the U.N and all the European nations stood with it and supported them .they said they have the right to decide. None said that it is a part of Indonesia and will stay like that
There is a Muslim part in the Philippians want independence a part in Thailand wants it also and even Chechnya. Why cants they have the right to choose like Timor in Indonesia??
if u ask me
I don’t believe they should have there own country none of them, even Timor they shouldn’t have been given it( we dont want more poor countries in the world). I think government should accept different cultures and religions in them and should give them the right to speak and respect their religion.
They can even make federalism government in that part just like what the Kurds had in northern Iraq
That will keep everyone happy and the country will stay intact and no one has to die.
I here people saying kill them all crush them all.beleive me that is not the way to solve conflicts.
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hi all
i forgot my phone in the taxi and five min. later i called my number but he truned the phone off
i have the taxi's plate number but who should i call???
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Around the Mabprachan area only the TT&T lines are adsl capable. You'll need a number starting with 038 733 or 038 734.
On top of that you can't be further then 3 km away from the phone exchange.
The Mabprachan TT&T exchange is located on the road between Naklua and the lake (same road as where the water office is located), about 300 meters past the junction where you have to turn left to go to crocodile farm, or right to go to Siam Country club road. (when driving towards the lake)
If you don't have one of those phone lines yet, you will have to be lucky to get one since most of the TT&T distribution boxes are full!
Our member Madsere lives in that area, has a TOT line and was informed by them that it will be at least a year away before TOT upgrades their exchanges to support adsl!
I just got a new house and wising up from previous I asked TOT if this area was supported with ADSL. They told me yes, they just put in a new switch in SP3 village supporting all of Soi Siam Countryclub. Now I moved in they tell me it will definitely not be ready this year. Bah!SMB,
have to be a bit carefull here as the packages on offer in Pattaya are definately not the same as in BKK, and not at the same price either.
Over here it depends on wether you have a TOT line or a TT&T line.
No ADC or True lines here!
oh didnt know that
sorry only tried to help and thank u
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Thanks for your reply smb, I really wanted someone to tell me if it was truely available in my area as a lot of people say it's not. Also I wanted to know if CAT made it difficult to access international sites any better than dial up which again I'm hearing is the problem. How do you find the response when accessing int. web sites - fast or slow. I was also looking at no more than 1500 baht per month!!
about if its available in your area, here go to this site and enter your number
http://www.csloxinfo.com/adsl/index_en.asp
or u can call them at 02-352-2011
about accessing international sites
i never access local sites and im not having any problem
sometimes though it gets really slow but not for long .when that hapens i just reconect
but with all that its far better than the dial up
95% the respond is fast
and about the price here i will show u every type they have with its price
256/128 (Kbps) 690 bhat
512/256 (Kbps) 850 bhat
1024/512 (Kbps) 1,000 bhat
2048/512 (Kbps) 1,500 bhat
4096/512 (Kbps) 2,400 bhat
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Does anyone in the Siam Country Club Rd./Mabprachan Lake area use ADSL? I have a TOT phone line and according to the Loxinfo website I can receive broadband in this area. What is the quality like? I access mainly UK sites, is this a problem? Can anyone tell me which to go for, costs and quality? Any advice appreciated. Thanks.
im using Loxinfo 4096/512 (in bangkok though)
i pay 2568 bhat a month unlimited Usage Hours and unlimited download
u can access any website no probs
but i hardly see it reach the 4000 speed .normally around 2000
overall its good
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in siam discovery next to the cemina u will find a shop that has R/C toys but i cant remember if he had plain.u cant ask him though he might knowI went to this guys condo the other day, and I got to tell you. he loves those r/c toys. I saw at least 5 r/c airplanes of all types. he also had at least 5 r/c all-terrain trucks. talk about addicted to the stuff. this guy definitely was into it.
anyway, when I asked him where you could buy this stuff, he didn't have any exact address but mentioned that most of the shops selling this stuff are in the bangna trat area. ..whereever that is????
one other thing I noticed about his place. ...he had all these thai magazines with articles on r/c toys, and there were many ads in the magazine selling these r/c toys.
....so, my suggestion to you is - if you want to know where to buy the r/c toys here in bangkok, get the thai magazine. it's probably sold in all the thai bookstores.
hope this info helps you.
i am looking also for R/C plains
but im looking for the big ones ,the onse that use fule
did that guy have those types?
he had everything. he even set up one of the rooms in his condo to serve as a workroom where he could take apart his planes to clean them up.
oh. incidentally, just got back from shopping at one of the tesco lotus stores, and saw those r/c toy magazines on the shelf for sale there. I'm sure those magazines are full of addresses of shops around bangkok that sell r/c toys.
helicopters, airplanes, cars, trucks, boats, etc. either fuel or electric.
hey. get this. there are some TV members who are into the r/c stuff big time. PM them.
thanks man
where is tesco lotus stores in bangkok?
if i tell the taxi driver tesco would he know it?
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Thanks again, but i have BTV which has about 16 channels from UBC, it just doesn't have the weekly baseball and football. I pat 2500 baht per year for this. 1500 baht a month for UBC i think is a rip off.
Barry
thank U i think i should call them loooooooool
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Thanks SMB, but i was looking for something that had American Football and Baseball. I know UBC has ESPN and does get a few football and baseball games, but if you had a satelite you would be able to pick and choose.
Barry
i have their monthly magazine right now infront of me and it say's (live and exclusive american football NFL)
baseball i dont know if they show that.
give them a call they might have what u need
www.ubctv.com
027257000
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in siam discovery next to the cemina u will find a shop that has R/C toys but i cant remember if he had plain.u cant ask him though he might know
I went to this guys condo the other day, and I got to tell you. he loves those r/c toys. I saw at least 5 r/c airplanes of all types. he also had at least 5 r/c all-terrain trucks. talk about addicted to the stuff. this guy definitely was into it.anyway, when I asked him where you could buy this stuff, he didn't have any exact address but mentioned that most of the shops selling this stuff are in the bangna trat area. ..whereever that is????
one other thing I noticed about his place. ...he had all these thai magazines with articles on r/c toys, and there were many ads in the magazine selling these r/c toys.
....so, my suggestion to you is - if you want to know where to buy the r/c toys here in bangkok, get the thai magazine. it's probably sold in all the thai bookstores.
hope this info helps you.
i am looking also for R/C plains
but im looking for the big ones ,the onse that use fule
did that guy have those types?
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KALAMINSA
It does not preach the eye for an eye philisophy as is presented ( as far as I remember ) in the Koran. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Happy to correct you; 'an eye for an eye' is a direct quote from the Bible, not the Koran. You couldn't be more wrong.
Obviously you haven't read much of anything, but that verse is so often quoted that I can't believe anyone could think it comes from any religion other than the Bible followers one.
If you read on you get into really good stuff about how God wants the heads of his enemies children smashed against rocks.
You might consider a cabinet post in the Bush administration.
No Christian terrorists? Ever see those photos of grinning green berets showing off strings of Vietnamese ears they'd cut off the corpses? Ever hear about the disease-contaminated blankets gave to the American Indians? The cash bounty on scalps or the trail of tears?
Ever hear about how Bush took back the money intended for improvements to New Orleans' Levee, and gave it to his friends in the form of tax breaks for the rich? Or does that not count?
thank u very much
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Sorry , I don't beleive in any religion which condones killing in the name of any God.
Perhaps you should spend some time in Saudi Arabia, I've been there as well as the emirates & kuwait.All countries are different. In the emirates I know as a fact that the attitude towards women is different from that of Saudi.
You could also ask around to find out what the average thai working girl thinks of Arabs and why they object to going with them.
Interesting that you brought up the KKK , they are the only example of a christian inspired group in recent history which carried out terror attacks.
Their attacks where very limited in comparision to the terror attacks carried out by arab fundenamentalists.
I have not read the Koran nor do I intend to .
It is sufficient to know that like the Bible it can be interpreted in different ways.
Unfortunately there appear to be a large number of extremists who are using the Koran as an excuse for terror.
A fundamentalistic interpretation of both the Bible and the Koran is most easily acceptable ( I beleive ) by people who have a limited education and in the middle east there still exist large numbers of uneducated peoples.
I do not beleive in either the Koran or the Bible although I beleive that the bible teaches a somewhat more forgiving attitude.
It does not preach the eye for an eye philisophy as is presented ( as far as I remember ) in the Koran. Correct me if I am wrong.
(Perhaps you should spend some time in Saudi Arabia, I've been there as well as the emirates & kuwait.All countries are different. In the emirates I know as a fact that the attitude towards women is different from that of Saudi. )
thank u very much.this prooves we are not the same and u cant say that all are
(You could also ask around to find out what the average thai working girl thinks of Arabs and why they object to going with them.)
if that man had respect for himself (arab or westner) he wouldnt go for a working girl .so i would expect anything from someone who pays for sex .that is so low
(Interesting that you brought up the KKK , they are the only example of a christian inspired group in recent history which carried out terror attacks.
Their attacks where very limited in comparision to the terror attacks carried out by arab fundenamentalists.)
-Oklahoma Bombing ,Timothy James McVeigh .Michigan Militia, a right-wing paramilitary organization( killed 168)
-the irish rebals
-the french group i cant remember what they were called ,who had bombs in buldings and undergrounds in 1996 and killed 194 inocent people.
-bush the father
-bush the son after the son though now i think bush the father was an angle
Some terrorist attacks are carried out by these groups in all corners of the world. Yet there is an important point to be remembered here. The fact that the perpetrators of various terrorist acts carry Christian, Muslim or Jewish identities cause some people to develop some erroneous ideas and put forward some claims which do not concur with divine religions. The fact remains however, that even if the terrorists have Muslim identities, the terror they perpetrated cannot be labeled "Islamic terror". In the same way, it would not be called "Jewish terror" if the perpetrators were Jews or "Christian terror" if they were Christians. That is because, murdering innocent people in the name of religion is unacceptable. We need to keep in mind that, among those who were killed in Washington or New York, there were people who loved Jesus (Christians), Prophet Moses (Jews) and Muslims. murdering innocent people is a great sin that brings torment in h_e_l_l. Thus, a religious person who has fear of God can never commit such an act.
Religion commands love, mercy and peace. Terror, on the other hand, is the opposite of religion; it is cruel, merciless and it demands bloodshed and misery. This being the case, while looking for the perpetrators of a terrorist act, its origins should be sought in disbelief rather than in religion. People with a fascist, racist or materialist outlook on life should be suspected as potential perpetrators. The name or the identity of the terrorists is not important. If he can kill innocent people without blinking an eye, then he is a disbeliever, not a believer. He is a murderer with no fear of God, whose main ambition is to shed blood and to give harm. For this reason, "Islamic terror", "Jewish terror", "Christian terror" are quite erroneous concepts. That is because, neither the religion of Islam, nor other religions can by no means concur with terror. On the contrary, "terror" (i.e. murders committed against innocent people) in Islam is a great sin and Muslims are responsible for preventing these acts and bringing peace and justice to the world.
(I have not read the Koran nor do I intend to .)
then u shouldnt talk about a subject that u know nothing about and u cant judje something that u dont know
(It is sufficient to know that like the Bible it can be interpreted in different ways.
Unfortunately there appear to be a large number of extremists who are using the Koran as an excuse for terror.)
terror comes moslty from places who are uneducated or poor and has no freadom
and we have all that but that doesnt mean that islam suports it .
u wouldnt understand nor beleive because u did not read and u dont want to.
anyway i wish u all the best and hope that we all live in peace.
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Salam smb, let me just say forget this debate with kalaminsa you're having. I've had debates like this in the past on this and other forums and although I fight my corner and fight for broad mindedness from all people, some are very thick-skulled and don't see further than the tip of their noses. Fact is, those people who have actually got their heads out of their <deleted> understand what is right and what is wrong (about what people think about Islam/Middle Eastern countries) so don't go too deep my friend....
thanks man i am done
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u said (I can't however remember any citizen of any Arabian country being prosecuted by his own government for carrying out torture) well our goverments are corupted and they have been in power because they have your support (your goverment mean)
u said (I do however remember seeing pictures of tortured soldiers proudly displayed by their arab captures)
well the pics that i posted they were proud about it and smiling and the captures were from the west( i hope u remember that)
>> The pics you posted were PIC's which were not proudly broadcast on state TV.
u said(We in the west do not beleive in forcibly mutilating our women,partial or complete removal of clitoris.)
we dont do that anymore people are getting more educated and realising
>> Granted the practise is becoming more & more limited to a few Islamic countries.
u said(We do not beleive in forcing marriage upon our women.)
your saying it as if it is spead all around arab world and that is not true
>> I did not state that it happened in every Islamic country though it is present in many rural societies.
u said(We do not beleive in selling our women.))
we dont sell our women
>> It does happen , particularily in the rural societies in the poorer countries.
u said(We do not beleive in killing any women who have brought shame upon our family)
not women we kill men or women who bring shame to the family
>> YES , there indeed is a sign of how barbaric the arabic societies are.
Killing or taking the life of someone for whatever reason is barbaric.
u said (We do not beleive that stoning women to death or cutting off limbs of criminals is an enjoyable pastime )
none of us beleive its enjoyable
>>There are large crowds outside the main mosque in Riyadh on every Friday when such an event takes place.
u said (We do not beleive that we will get everlasting happiness by blowing up ourself in order to kill some infidels)
we beleive that we will get everlasting happiness if we fight for freedom and we will do what ever it takes to reach that
dont u beleive that if u fight for your country and die u will go to hevean?
>> No whyever should I ?? and I cetainly don't beleive that I will get 100 virgins !
>>Fighting for freedom , does that entail slitting the throats of woman & children ??
>> This is also done in the name of Allah in Algeria for example.
>>Fighting for freedom ?? Freedom from whom ?? Until the 9/11 event there was no Arabic country occupied by western military forces in the middle east.
Granted, there are countries in the ME which have western friendly regimes and regimes which have been supported rightly or wrongly by the USA (or the UK in some cases ) in order for them to ensure the continued supply of oil ,or in some cases in order to a strategic military presence during the cold war era.
But although influenced these regimes have not been controlled by the USA.
I put it to you that your real enemy is closer to home
You real enemy is your own government or Ruler.
(The pics you posted were PIC's which were not proudly broadcast on state TV)
No it wasn’t if one or two channels did it, it doesn’t mean we all were proud about it
(YES , there indeed is a sign of how barbaric the arabic societies are.
Killing or taking the life of someone for whatever reason is barbaric
Ok if that so it means we are all barbaric, isn’t u killing innocent people in Iraq?
U call that barbaric and we call the projects in the states a barbaric culture and every states has at least one project .I thing u know how life is there
i dont have to be like u to be normal and u dont have to me like me to be normal
(No whyever should I ?? and I cetainly don't beleive that I will get 100 virgins)
First of all not 100 less than that
and I don’t expect u to believe it because your not Muslim just like so many things in your religion I don’t believe in(There are large crowds outside the main mosque in Riyadh on every Friday when such an event takes place.)
They did that for a reason and it doesn’t mean they are enjoying it
Look at the crime rates in Saudi, UK and the states
(Fighting for freedom , does that entail slitting the throats of woman & children ??
>> This is also done in the name of Allah in Algeria for example.)
the KKK were killing blacks in the name of jeuses
That’s what im trying to say they are extreamests and use religion to justify what they do but it doesnt mean that its right and Islam didnt justify that
The kkk were extremists and used religion and it doesn’t mean its right and I don’t think Christianity justifies it
(I put it to you that your real enemy is closer to home
You real enemy is your own government or Ruler.)
i totally agree
From what I see, is that you have a lot of miss understanding of our culture and religion .specially in the woman’s right.
take a look it wont take u more than 10 min.
http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?sec...=article&id=253
This is a sight that talks about what exactly is the woman’s right in Islam
And it’s very important not to blame religion on what every person does even if he used the name of religion
it was nice talking to u and ill be here if u want to know anything about us or our religion
u dont have to beleive in it just to know what is the real culture and islam.because media damaged the view of islam and arab culture also the islamic extreamists .and now most people think what they do is from islam ,when its not
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u wouldnt understand it because u dont know about our culture or religin and u have to try to accept other cultures and religion
Think that most westerners have difficulty in accepting any culture that is as barbic as is often the case in Arabian countries.
Chopping off of limbs , Stoning to death, Mutilation of women , condoned murder of women etc.
what do u call this (http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/608/608p28.htm)
is this the modrenised world ?????(http://ancapistan.typepad.com/photos/brits_torturing_iraqis/index.html)
this is not barbaric?!!!!(http://ancapistan.typepad.com/photos/abuse_of_iraqis/60miniiusiraqitortured7b.html)
is the the western culture ?????(http://ancapistan.typepad.com/photos/navy_seals_torturing_iraq/index.html)
after seeing this ,should i say ?((i Think that most arabs have difficulty in accepting any culture that is as barbic as is often the case in western countries))
not at all .im sure most westerners are not like that .thats because i have lived in western countries and have met alot of them
i think u should read from the source then judje,dont beleave anything u hear
here i will give u some websites that will help u know us and our religion better
read them and see for yourself
http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?sec...=article&id=253
http://www.understanding-islam.com/
i think what i have posted is enough for anyone who is really seeking to know what and who are we.
You seem to have missed the point - torture as such is not accepted or condoned in western society with a few exceptions.
Though in modern wars it is all to often practiced by all combatants.
I can't however remember any citizen of any Arabian country being prosecuted by his own government for carrying out torture . I do however remember seeing pictures of tortured soldiers proudly displayed by their arab captures.
We in the west do not beleive in forcibly mutilating our women,partial or complete removal of clitoris.
We do not beleive in forcing marriage upon our women.
We do not beleive in selling our women.
We do not beleive in killing any women who have brought shame upon our family.
We do not beleive that stoning women to death or cutting off limbs of criminals is an enjoyable pastime .
We do not beleive that we will get everlasting happiness by blowing up ourself in order to kill some infidels.
All of the above , although not present in every arabic society , are practised with the full support of the law in numerous arabic/Islamic societies.
To us all of the above is a sign of a barbaric society.
u said (I can't however remember any citizen of any Arabian country being prosecuted by his own government for carrying out torture) well our goverments are corupted and they have been in power because they have your support (your goverment mean)
u said (I do however remember seeing pictures of tortured soldiers proudly displayed by their arab captures)
well the pics that i posted they were proud about it and smiling and the captures were from the west( i hope u remember that)
u said(We in the west do not beleive in forcibly mutilating our women,partial or complete removal of clitoris.)
we dont do that anymore people are getting more educated and realising
u said(We do not beleive in forcing marriage upon our women.)
your saying it as if it is spead all around arab world and that is not true
u said(We do not beleive in selling our women.))
we dont sell our women
u said(We do not beleive in killing any women who have brought shame upon our family)
not women we kill men or women who bring shame to the family
u said (We do not beleive that stoning women to death or cutting off limbs of criminals is an enjoyable pastime )
none of us beleive its enjoyable
u said (We do not beleive that we will get everlasting happiness by blowing up ourself in order to kill some infidels)
we beleive that we will get everlasting happiness if we fight for freedom and we will do what ever it takes to reach that
dont u beleive that if u fight for your country and die u will go to hevean?
ofcourse killing kids and inocent people is not right and that we dont beleive in
the extremists do or dont care just like what they are doing in iraq
so our extremests blow them selves up and your extremists use napalm and uranium
both of them are wrong and both have suporters
but that dosent mean all of the arabs are extremests and it doesnt mean all of the westeners are ...
see if u only gave yourself time to read the websites that i posted about women in islam and others u wouldnt have said what u just have said
here read this and if u really want to know more and willing .i will be glad to answer any spacific question u ask
http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?sec...=article&id=253
i did post it earlier
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u wouldnt understand it because u dont know about our culture or religin and u have to try to accept other cultures and religion
Think that most westerners have difficulty in accepting any culture that is as barbic as is often the case in Arabian countries.
Chopping off of limbs , Stoning to death, Mutilation of women , condoned murder of women etc.
what do u call this (http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/608/608p28.htm)
is this the modrenised world ?????(http://ancapistan.typepad.com/photos/brits_torturing_iraqis/index.html)
this is not barbaric?!!!!(http://ancapistan.typepad.com/photos/abuse_of_iraqis/60miniiusiraqitortured7b.html)
is the the western culture ?????(http://ancapistan.typepad.com/photos/navy_seals_torturing_iraq/index.html)
after seeing this ,should i say ?((i Think that most arabs have difficulty in accepting any culture that is as barbic as is often the case in western countries))
not at all .im sure most westerners are not like that .thats because i have lived in western countries and have met alot of them
i think u should read from the source then judje,dont beleave anything u hear
here i will give u some websites that will help u know us and our religion better
read them and see for yourself
http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?sec...=article&id=253
http://www.understanding-islam.com/
i think what i have posted is enough for anyone who is really seeking to know what and who are we.
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Well this all proves that we Arabs are like any other humans
Some people had bad experiences with them and some didn’t
If u asks Arabs about any other nationality u will get the same respond .at the end of the day people should judge others not on race or religion, they should judge every person on his own
Humphrey Bear
I am from salaam by the way
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i do
will defend my counrty by all mean even if i have to strap myself with explosives and that is called defending my country
but flying miles away to invade a country is terrorism killing civilians is terrorism,using napalm and depluded uranium is terror not to forget bombing myself up in a bus or a supermarket is terrorism
the iraqi goverment was born under occupaition they are puppets and not chosen by the people
under every law people have the right to fight for thier country
the american and its allies including the iraqi govermant is an enamy..
and dont give me that B.S about democrasy in iraq
and dont even talk about that iraqis wanted u to invade them
that is totall crap and the proof is the bombing all around iraq attacking the invaders..
by the way alqaeda in iraq is not the major miltia. there are over five major militias and they are all iraqis(shia too)
take alook at your terrorists
u condemn yours first and then talk about other terrotism
http://www.marchforjustice.com/8.15.03.du.php
http://www.marchforjustice.com/8.21.03.civiliandeaths.php
http://www.marchforjustice.com/article.php?id=813
http://www.marchforjustice.com/8.17.03.howtolie.php
http://www.marchforjustice.com/11.1.03.Ame...sAggression.php
http://www.war-on-terror.ch.vu
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/a...plantingwmd.htm
http://www.vialls.com/iraq/internment.html
http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/english/Im...ant_to_know.htm
http://www.iraqirabita.org/english/index.p...o=summary&id=15