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5 minutes ago, ezzra said:As it already been said the Palestinian authorities are the sole responsible for procuring and administrating the vaccines to its people and any attempts to blame Israel for the Palestinian leadership short coming is ludicrous
but what can you do when the 'usual suspects of Israel bashers and hates are out in force eager to blame Israel no matter what?
here is a translated article from Haarat'z newspaper:
From your link...
"[Deputy Health Minister] Kish added in an interview that the transfer of vaccines to the PA is expected to help Israel as well, but noted that "Israeli citizens come first."
Just another example of racist apartheid Israel.
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Israel as the occupying power has a duty of care under the Geneva Convention to look after the health of the occupied indigenous Palestinian population.
"To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring and maintaining, with the cooperation of national and local authorities, the medical and hospital establishments and services, public health and hygiene in the occupied territory, with particular reference to the adoption and application of the prophylactic and preventive measures necessary to combat the spread of contagious diseases and epidemics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Article_56:_Hygiene_and_public_health
If Israel refuses to do this, then end the 53 year old illegal occupation so that a Palestinian state can look after its own health care.
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26 minutes ago, SomchaiCNX said:Correct, he is not military, in wartime (WWII) people like him where not protected by the Geneva convention and where considered spies and mostly executed. His upbringing has a lot to do with his behavior as an adult.
So you approve of a gung-ho US Apache helicopter crew mowing down 11 innocent civilians, then their superiors covering up the war crime, do you? Have any of them been charged in a military court?
Such crimes would have remained dirty secrets until Chelsea Manning and Assange bravely exposed them.
Assange deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, not this disgraceful sordid persecution, just because he embarrassed some cowardly war criminals with the truth. That's what freedom of speech and of the press should be all about in a democracy
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1 hour ago, ezzra said:There are few countries in the world that will do what ever they can to prevent this Ayatollah regime country from achieving nuke capabilities, 'Nuff said...
China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, (Obama admin) United States and Germany had prevented Iran from achieving nuclear capabilities, until Trump came along and reneged on a deal that was working.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
Iran is quite willing to return to the agreement, provided the Biden administration will do the same, which he says he will.
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Wonderful news!
Of course it was politically motivated. If Assange had not exposed US war crimes would the US have voluntarily disclosed the Apache helicopter on its turkey shoot of innocent people, amongst other crimes?
If Assange were extradited to the US, no journalist would be safe in challenging the wrongdoings of powerful governments.
The UK rejection of extradition is just a face saving formula for having disgracefully imprisoned Assange for over a year on the US behalf. Assange has been made to suffer for telling the truth, but UK authorities knew what they were doing at US behest was wrong, so they blocked the extradition on humanitarian grounds.
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On 12/29/2020 at 5:37 PM, kamahele said:As the president has pardoned some murderers recently, I wonder if he'll pardon this alleged sex trafficker on his way out the door.
He can't do that.
According to QAnon, Trump is our saviour sent to destroy the child sex traffickers, Obama Hillary Clinton and George Soros, operating out of a pizza parlor in Washington.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theoryOr maybe it would be Trump's double double bluff. Hmm ..good thinking 99.
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3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:No it isnt , ALL Israeli citizens have equal rights , whatever their Religion , Gender or ethnicity .
Only Anti-Israelis call Israel an "Apartheid state"
Of course Israel is a racist apartheid country.
More than 65 Israeli laws discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/7771 and a major one:Palestinian Israelis' right to marry anyone they love if the potential spouse happens to be resident of a long list of Muslim countries, the Occupied Territories, or overseas Palestinian refugee communities even after extreme vetting. Security supposedly is the pretext, but of course its blatant racism in order to engineer phony apartheid Jewish majority demographics. Jared and Ivanka would never have such problems.
Or if you prefer to hear it from the horse's mouth, the current PM trying to outdo his rivals in racism...Netanyahu's comment on Israel's new Basic Nation State Law "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and only it."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47524518- 1
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On 12/14/2020 at 8:14 AM, TopDeadSenter said:The heroic achievements do not stop with this Israel/Morocco deal. Trump also has 2 new deals to announce soon. Honestly, this is stunning. Why did it take a non globalist career politician to sort out the Israel mess?
"The diplomatic source identified Oman and Indonesia as two countries with which talks have advanced and with whom normalization could be announced before US President Donald Trump leaves office on January 20."
Incredible. Thank you Sir.
The Israel mess is not sorted until they resolve the core issue...make a a mutually agreed upon peace with their 53 years illegally occupied indigenous majority Palestinian resident population..everyone knows that. The rest...bags of $$ and/or recognition without UN global approval.. is just frosting on a non-existent cake.
Dream on.
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The Russians have been penetrating US security since March undetected. That's the cyber equivalent of a Russian bomber flying freely above US skies.
Trump's response...zero.
US records more covid deaths in a single day than the 911 terrorist attack.
Trump's response...zilch.He's too busy peddling fake conspiracy theories about election fraud to help him fight for a job that he is clearly not doing.
Good riddance,Trump..the worst president in US history!
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35 minutes ago, Sujo said:Over 40 losses, he sure isn't sick of losing.
Trump...the gift that keeps on giving. We have the pleasure of seeing him losing the election again and again every day.
Like all cult leaders and followers, Trump and Trumpists have a hard time facing reality.
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28 minutes ago, ezzra said:"western animals" are responsible animals, unlike Iran that want to conquer the world by sending troupes and occupying Lebanon, Iraq and parts of Turkey among others...
These supposed "western responsible animals" are the only ones who have actually used nuclear weapons to kill and maim hundreds of thousands, and in the case of Israel to offer them for sale to those other " western responsible animals"...apartheid South Africa!
Conversely, Iran had actually halted any possibility of developing nuclear weapons, until Trump reneged on the deal, and made it difficult for European partners to stick to their side of the bargain too.
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More Netanyahu mischief with Trump cheerleading. Remember it's less than 2 weeks ago that Trump wondered if he could bomb Iran.
"Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program
The president was dissuaded from moving ahead with a strike by advisers who warned that it could escalate into a broader conflict in his last weeks in office."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/trump-iran-nuclear.htmlHe only chickened out when his advisers told him he may start a war and US forces in the Middle East would be a target, to add to Trump's atrocious legacy.
But Israel still has 2 months with Trump turning a blind eye to cause more trouble for Biden, who has said he wants to renegotiate the nuclear deal that Trump reneged on. If Iran retaliates against Israel it will make negotiations to halt Iran's nuclear program more difficult. This could be Israel's opening shot to sabotage any Biden deals.
With friends like Israel, who needs enemies?
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If Biden wants to halt the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East, he should re-join the deal. It was working. Get the most dangerous element out of the way.
Then in separate negotiations, tackle other issues with a comprehensive peace conference for the whole region.
Netanyahu, like Trump, wants to lump all the conditions into a single deal because he knows Iran won't accept a ban on missile testing to defend itself, nor curb Hezbollah that defends Lebanon, Syria and Palestinians from Israel.
Netanyahu wants to maintain the status quo so that he can crush Iran without offering any concessions himself.How about a nuclear free Middle East? Hypocritically Israel is the only nuclear power in the region, and not a very responsible one at that, having offered its nuclear weapons for sale to other countries.
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10 minutes ago, ezzra said:We live in hope and pray that more countries will see the light as did other Arab countries and make peace by realising that so far wars and hostilities got them nowhere and peace, corporations and the economy are much more important than picking up a gun...
>>make peace by realising that so far wars and hostilities got them nowhere and peace, corporations and the economy are much more important than picking up a gun...
..That goes for Israel too. Peace based on roughly 67 borders, shared capital Jerusalem, and recognition/compensation for Jewish and Palestinian refugees would bring global recognition.
Israel and Palestine could be one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in the world, a financial, cultural, historical hub for the entire Middle East and a beacon for peace and reconciliation for the whole world.- 3
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Pompeo is trying to boost his extremist credentials for a 2024 Presidential bid. Trump will be 78 by then...and Trump tells us that is far too old!????
Pompeo is legitimizing land theft in exchange for a bottle of illegal settlement booze named after him. Makes a change from attempted election theft I suppose.
The first job for the new administration: restore the nuclear treaty with Iran. It was working. Trump's reneging on the agreement left Iran closer to a nuclear weapon than when Obama left office.
Secondly, create détente in the Middle East, to take the wind out of the sails of the extremists on all sides. I hope the progressive Democratic elements can push Biden to move towards a comprehensive peace in the region kicking off with a serious Israeli Palestinian summit conference and tossing Trump and Kushner's non starter apartheid Steal of the Century into the trashcan of history. That could be the catalyst for change. Bernie Sanders in Biden's cabinet would be a positive.
There's a Nobel Peace Prize up for grabs for Joe and Kamala. That would be a slap in the face for Trump, Pompeo and their far right evangelical nutjob base. Sorry, Armageddon has been postponed. There's peace in the region now.
I hope they don't waste the next 4 years' opportunity, as Obama did, by mouthing the old platitudes about "strong disapproval" of settlement expansion, "not conducive to peace blah blah", while turning a blind eye to Israel's illegal occupation and abuse of Palestinian human rights.
Meanwhile, the indigenous Palestinians outnumber and outbreed Israeli Jews within Palestine and they ain't going away, however much Pompeo, Trump and Netanyahu fantasize about their alternative reality.
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4 hours ago, ezzra said:These are the results of when you start wars with your neighbour you can't finish... and let's us not start with how many countries are occupying lands and territories that not belong to them and Israel occupying the Golan heights will dwarf in comparison, like China Russia Turkey and others...
But it ain't finished yet. 72 years after foundation Israel still does not have permanent peace with all its neighbors, and is still without internationally recognized eastern borders...they seem to keep moving.
Trump and Pompeo are on their own in recognizing any annexation.
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Well his legal team has made a start to fight the election count. Giuliani just held a major press conference in the car park of the Four Seasons Total Landscaping store, located between a crematorium and a sex shop.
Looks like some aide failed to book the Four Seasons Hotel.
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Of course he won't concede. His followers think Trump is a king.
"Lindsay Graham (C) has been a royal supporter of President Trump"
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937
I'm sure the BBC will correct the typo soon.
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17 minutes ago, BritManToo said:I don't really care about Jews one way or the other, and don't know anyone in the UK (who wasn't Jewish) who even gave them a thought.
My first gf was Jewish, I used to get to take the sheet off the table of food on a Saturday evening, and switch the lights off and on ..... not a problem. Walking home in the early hours of a date on a Saturday morning was a bit of a chore.
One of my work mates was Jewish, carrying him around on a chair at his wedding was a bit of a laugh, didn't think much of it at the time.
There's always a few loonyes that make a big thing of it, but most Brits are more concerned with the Somali and Syrian refugees arriving in dinghy's on the south coast.
Don't rationalize and cherry pick your bigotry with the cliche : Some of my best friends are Jewish. Therefore I can't be a racist.
Corbyn is anti racist in every way. He has been deliberately targeted because of his defense of human rights...rights that poodle Starmer and his cronies want to undermine.
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2 hours ago, Morch said:
As for you first paragraph - I'm not, and wouldn't know that it's 'stupid' not to do so. IMO, Corbyn wasn't going anywhere much anyway politically, so would seem a waste of energy.
As usual, you do your best to conflate Zionism and Israel with it's right-wing government. That right-wingers there, especially under Netanyahu, would associate with pretty much anyone (including elements such as you mention) politically supportive of their agenda does not get Corbyn off the hook. Because, you see, this is not a zero sum game. It is perfectly possible for both left and right to hold anti Semitic views or be despicable in their own way. That you try to paint right-wing oriented antisemitism as 'genuine', and imply left-wing versions otherwise is neither honest nor correct.
And still dodging your own nonsense - no clear explanation as to why them allegedly antisemitic conservatives would strongly ally with Israel.
Deflection. No point in rephrasing the point because you will side step that too, the same way you conflate anti Zionism with anti Semitism, without ever defining what Zionism is.
>>And still dodging your own nonsense - no clear explanation as to why them allegedly antisemitic conservatives would strongly ally with Israel.
..That's easy, genuine anti-Semites, both from the left and far right, (the mentally ill who hate Jews simply because they are Jews, same as they hate blacks, gender and sexual preferences) have more recently a greater shared irrational hatred of Muslims, who have become the new bogeymen since 911. You see it on this forum all the time.
Bigots, ethno-nationalists and racists will jump on any anti Islamic bandwagon, because they admire Israel's fascist way of dealing with Palestinians..ethnically cleanse them and persecute them. That's why you get white supremacists like Tommy Robinson and Richard Spencer applauding Zionism. Peas in the same pod.
In addition among the British upper classes (Conservatives with a Big C) there has always been an irrational scapegoat dislike of Jews from Medieval pogroms through to members of the aristocracy/royalty even supporting Hitler.Please don't spin my words. I am not implying that genuine left wing anti-Semitism is any less despicable. But in the case of Corbyn, his defense of Palestinian rights and his anti the racist supremacist ideology of Zionism has been deliberately and disingenuously confused with anti-Semitism. Zionists orchestrated a smear campaign against him because he was an important pro Palestinian voice.
And that is exactly why the self professed Zionist Starmer is trying to silence Jeremy Corbyn too.
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15 hours ago, Morch said:
It's a conspiracy, there there.
While it's tempting to ignore yet another attempt to hijack topics in service of your agenda, got to wonder about the 'reasoning' behind the last bit. According to your post, the conservatives (and therefore, allegedly, the 'real anti Semites') cosy up to Israel. Somehow, that's not quite what I'd expect from real anti Semites. Maybe need to check and see if they aren't fake anti Semites. Can't trust people these days.
If you were an Israeli government official, wouldn't you have done everything in your power (dirty tricks included) to undermine the credibility of a political leader (possibly next UK PM) who openly criticized Israel and championed the human rights of Palestinians.
You'd be pretty stupid not to.Nothing new about anti-Semites supporting Zionism and vice versa. Netanyahu is great buddy with Hungarian leader Viktor Orban, the far-right pro-Israel prime minister of Hungary who admired Hitler ally Miklos Horthy, the man responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews. Or being joined at the hip with Trump, responsible for dozens of anti-Semitic tropes, and who said there were "very fine people on both sides" at the Charlottesville rally..does that include the ones chanting “Jews will not replace us.”?
Or UK white supremacist Tommy Robinson declaring "I am a Zionist" or American neo Nazi Richard Spencer describing himself as "a white Zionist".It is bizarre how the Israeli government can remain silent about genuine anti-Semitic white supremacists (who vote Trump), but set its attack dogs on Jeremy Corbyn.
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14 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:Before addressing this above, I have to say the ideas that the TV expat brigade have on the Labour Party recent and current history are hilarious. Dianne Abbott (Who obviously gets some people worked up) is a powerless back bencher, and no longer relevant, just for one example.
Yes indeed the far left have been working hard to polish up the "Starmer is a Zionist" line. Clever selective editing, but utter bs.
"Corbyn has spent his whole life fighting racism and social injustice." yes yes yawn. No complaints of anti semitism before he lead the party, and masses since. Well well must all be some Blairite plot to get at the messiah. The far left even got together their own "Report" to cover their <deleted> when they EHRC inquiry was looming. Ah.......the EHRC must be biased.
JC is not an anti semite per se, I would certainly agree. Unfortunately there was no real attempt during his time in power to stem the truckloads of vile social media troll filth directed at ordinary decent Labour MPs etc who happened to be Jewish (Though not in anyway supporters of the despicable actions of the current Israeli government).
"But Starmer will probably split the party in the process to make them unelectable," The possibility of serious harm to the LP on this issue is real, but it was already there. Corbyn's continuing attempt to pretend it was all a conspiracy against him are beyond pathetic, he is splitting the party. Apart from that he made the LP unelectable, the worst election result for 80 years, who got that?
>>Yes indeed the far left have been working hard to polish up the "Starmer is a Zionist" line. Clever selective editing, but utter bs.
..so what do you think Starmer, a highly successful lawyer who I am sure is quite literate, meant when he said: “I support Zionism without qualification.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-jewish-groups-say-new-labour-leader-failing-to-crack-down-on-anti-semitism/
Pretty sure the bs is with you trying to call black white.>> No complaints of anti semitism before he lead the party, and masses since.
..yes, what a very strange coincidence! Could be that at last there was a political leader prepared to criticize Israel and its 53 year old brutal illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians [OP]. The Israel government would have been pretty dopey not to have launched a smear campaign to undermine Corbyn's credibility. I suggest you view the "The Lobby", to see exactly how the Israeli embassy interferes in UK politics with operatives having direct links to Friends of Israel MPs.As it was in the interests of the Conservatives to jump on Get Corbyn bandwagon too. I suggest you google anti-semitism in UK Conservative party.
Start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party
and you will get hundreds more hits. No complaints from the Israeli government or Conservative Friends of Israel or the Labour Friends of Israel there. No calls for inquiries either. How very odd! When there were thousands of articles daily questioning Corbyn's track record fighting racism and anti-Semitism. And no mention of course of his 1977 defense of Jewish-populated Wood Green from a National Front rally, or the 1980s, when he headed Anti-Fascist Action and was arrested protesting apartheid in South Africa, or in June 2015, when he worked with antifascists to prevent a neo-Nazi march on Golders Green.I can understand why Corbyn was upset by the OP inquiry findings, pointing the finger of anti-Semtism at him.
And I can well understand why Starmer will jump on any opportunity to stifle Corbyn and any criticism of Israel.The day of shame for UK's Labor Party is Starmer's suspension of Corbyn.
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So that's two rival Labor leaders Starmer has now managed to get rid of with over the top reactions.
Corbyn has spent his whole life fighting racism and social injustice.
Starmer is simply doing the backstabbing and bidding of the pro Zionist Labor lobby, perhaps because he is an avowed Zionist himself
“I support Zionism without qualification.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-jewish-groups-say-new-labour-leader-failing-to-crack-down-on-anti-semitism/Here is the real reason the Zionist Starmer has shafted Corbyn
OP "[Corbyn] A veteran campaigner for Palestinian rights who spent decades as an obscure lawmaker on the left-wing fringes of the party, Corbyn shocked the establishment by winning the Labour leadership contest in 2015."But Starmer will probably split the party in the process to make them unelectable, so that the Conservatives, where the real anti Semites hide (no inquiry there note!), can continue to cosy up to Israel to stifle Palestinian human and civil rights.
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On 10/25/2020 at 12:18 PM, Morch said:
Oh, I'm positive that they were concerned about the implications of being on the USA's little black book. This tends to have negative effects on a country's economy and aid options. The 'outside the UN charter' bit is as usual for your posts, unclear. The list mentioned in the OP is a USA government list, and does not require any sort of 'UN charter' satisfied.
I have no idea if most Sudanese citizens accept the agreement or not. The link you provided relates the views of political parties, and overall reads more like playing the domestic politics field more than anything else. But generally, yes - decades of indoctrination cannot be easily undone by signing an agreement. In the same way, the peace agreements between Israel and its two neighbors (Egypt and Jordan) are not popular with the two countries' citizens. For all that, the agreements stands, as leaderships see them as more beneficial to either country's interests - despite the the occasional public opinion hits.
As for your last nonsense comment - democracy is a matter of degree. You want to try and claim the situation of democracy is exactly the same in these two countries, or for that matter, the region? Go right ahead, it will be mildly amusing to see the convulsed arguments on offer. Protests, by the way, can be seen as citizens able to express a democratic right, not automatically implying the absence of democracy.
While it is dodgy for a provisional, un-elected government to sign international agreements, it has to be noted that governments in general do not go for a referendum on such matters - even when the agreement implies going against political platforms or voters wishes.
>>As for your last nonsense comment - democracy is a matter of degree.
..what a joke coming from you!
You seem as usual to cherry pick your definition of democracy.Whenever Israel's so called democracy is mentioned with its imprisonment of 12 year old Palestinian children, its more than 300 Palestinians in indefinite administrative detention without charge or trial , and not forgetting a daily brutal suppression of 4.5 million Palestinian human and civil rights in a 53 year old illegal occupation, you excuse it as: yes Israel's democracy may not be quite perfect but.... ho ho ho.
Sudan's moves 2,500 kms from Tel Aviv, to normalize relations with Israel, despite not having a full mandate from its people, is irrelevant. Would that street demonstrations objecting to a decision made supposedly in the name of its citizens had been allowed to take place in the corrupt unelected aristocracies of UAE and Bahrein.
Unless Israel addresses the issue of the elephant in the room, a genuine peace agreement with its 4.5 million occupied Palestinian neighbors, Sudan's pathetic venal effort is a waste of diplomatic space.
Not sure a Biden administration will be any different, although at least the Democrats via Bernie Sanders have a voice. They propose to hold Israel accountable for the $38 billion USA gives them. Watch this space I suppose.
All Palestinians need do is stay put until Israel can address the problem that the racist supremacist Zionist project created.
Trump's Steal of The Century is in the trashcan. An end to apartheid, and a 2 state solution along the lines of the Arab Peace Initiative or a single democratic state with equal rights for all are the only way.
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U.S. executes first woman on federal death row in nearly seven decades
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Of course Lisa Montgomery was mentally unstable, killed an innocent young mother and needed to be locked up probably forever. But read about her heinously cruel upbringing where she was regularly tortured by her stepfather and mother. It must surely count for some mitigation and mercy.
As a 3 year old she shared a bed while her 8 year old sister was being raped by her babysitter. Then at 11 began years of herself being raped, sodomised and having her head smashed by her drunken stepfather in a secret room that wouldn't reveal her screams. Where was the mother's love and care? She caught the stepfather once and held a gun to her daughter's head blaming the abused child.
"Over time, the abuse expanded. Montgomery’s stepfather invited friends round to gang rape her in the room – ordeals that would last for hours and end with the men urinating on her like she was trash. Her mother got in on the act too, selling Montgomery’s body to the plumber and the electrician whenever she needed odd jobs doing."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/lisa-montgomery-death-row-execution-history
How many of us would have remained mentally unscathed after such a horrendous helpless upbringing?
Trump can find it in his heart to pardon his corrupt cronies, and may even attempt to pardon himself for inciting a murderous insurrection amongst other crimes, but rushes to have a woman executed who has never been shown any compassion in her life.
Shame on all those involved.