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8 hours ago, louse1953 said:

This is where the cultures clash.Once it is given it is theirs to do what they want,especially in hardtimes.To avoid this problem i tell them i don't do gold except for 1 wedding ring, a few times.

Ok

3 minutes ago, Formaleins said:

Exactly! A lot of Thais have no way to borrow money other than from moneylenders at an extortionate rate, so if something comes along that needs a bit of cash they will often sell some gold. At least they are SMART enough to actually understand the value of gold unlike the USA who sold off all of theirs to the Jewish Banks, and the Brits that did virtually the same. Gold will always have value, unlike the paper junk like the Pound and Dollar, the great Ponzi scheme.

Well my  gold is cash in the bank and I think it is the best way give it to me cash 

no f????? Gold for me 55555555

7 minutes ago, Sirbergan said:

It's become more and more clear to me, especially after the loss of our 22 year old son last year to brain infection, that pettiness over gifts you can afford to lose are not worth attaching some sort of sentimental value to and getting upset about. Life is way too short.

i agree 

2 minutes ago, Sirbergan said:

You can't transfer your culture to another country. Things are a lot different here. I adapt to their culture, in being polite and hiding my resent for a lot of things and a lot of people (some of them having done unforgivable things to us), and by speaking their language, but I won't visit temples and pretend to be something I'm not. But I am staying here, by my own free will, and I can't come to another country expecting her (or anyone else) to adapt to my culture.

 

You'd be a lot happier if you let the culture from your home country go. Just like my wife will never become a Norwegian, your girlfriend/spouse will never have the mindset you're used to back home. And lets face it, you don't really want her to either. Understanding the differences is important, instead of expecting the same reactions as you would expect in your home country.

That is your point of view not mine.

we are talking about gold , how Thais sell it like it is  nothing , not all Thais but some .

you say you  adapt to their culture in some ways , so should a thai not respect my  culture when it comes to the gold thing.

my partner loves the way our mind set is in my country and she has  adapted to it very , very well .

my thai wants to become an Australia because she knows she has a future in my country and can have a great life not like most thai woman make and I say make  there husband or partner move to thailand.

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

You've been in the west too long.

Gold is only like cash in Thailand.

You give gold one week and it could be pawned the next week to pay the room.

If you don't think its a culture thing your wrong... thais have always done this ... no big deal.

That's how it is yes I know all that bs already. 

Got  nothing to do with me being in west to long .

it is how I feel about the gold I buy for my partner ok .

no big deal to you but it is to me a big deal.

thats why I make sure now if I am going to buy my lady gold she  respects it as a gift of love , not some thai bs sell it when they need money.

it is not thai  culture to sell it ok , Thais give it as a gift of love , but because some Thais have no idea how to save money they sell the gold .

7 minutes ago, Acharn said:

??? Why do you think she is suffering if you do not give her some gold? If you don't want to do it, then don't. If she has a good heart she won't mind at all. If she has a good heart she is not waiting for you to buy her some gold. I do not know about you, but other people I have known (all men) who complained about a girl selling gold they had given her, actually regarded the gold as part of a purchase price. They were angry because they felt they had not gotten fair value for what they had spent. Of course they tried to cover their greed with talk of the special status of gifts, but it was really just greed and lust. Try to stop thinking that your new lady is waiting for you to give her some gold and look for signs of how she feels about you. I presume you are not actually a greedy person.

It is a part of my  culture to give to your partner gold ok .

my new lady is not waiting for gold I did not say that ok .

were did I say she is  suffering , I did not say that , you said that .

She never minds at all and she has a great heart.

i don't by gold for a lady and think about how much I paid for it , I buy to say I love her .

and not for her to sell it when she feels fit to sell it .

this is thai bs sell gold.

4 minutes ago, Acharn said:

Why not? If you give me a book as a gift, do you then have a right to be angry if I give it to somebody else? If you give me a fruitcake as a holiday gift, do you have a right to be angry if I "re-gift" it? If you give a Thai girl a gold necklace you need to make it clear that you are only giving it to her temporarily, not as a gift, and that you expect her to give it back whenever you demand it, otherwise you have no right to complain if she sells it when she needs money and you're too cheap to give it to her. Where I came from, giving someone a gift means that it becomes theirs, not yours.

No we are talking about gold not all the other s??? You are saying.

were do you get off saying I am too cheap to give her money now that is just your bs ok .

why do so many  foreigners  defend this thai bs about selling the gold , they get as a gift of love , not understand some man here , are they so  blinded by thai pussy .

where I come from giving gold as a gift is not to be sold it is to say I love you so much.

you most come from a very Weird place.

15 minutes ago, sandrabbit said:

Nope, this is to do with brand new cutting edge diesels.

Keep it to smokers 

4 minutes ago, sandrabbit said:

I have to agree with you, it looks like Europe is going to start banning diesels in city centres due to their exhaust emissions. They used say it was cleaner due to an excess of air in the combustion making a diesels carbon monoxide much lower but they missed out on the particulates which are now being quoted as carcinogenic.

You are talking about the old diesel motors not the new one 

and this is not about diesel is it .

It's about smoking in thailand let's keep it to that .

Just now, transam said:

So you ain't in LOS.....And yes I am to late for help....

Up to me were I am not your business.

sorry to read it is to late I do feel for smokers when I see them  suffer .

and I am not  been disrespectful to you . 

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

OK,

For those at the back! It's not a true story.

It's called an attempt at humour.

Explanation.

My Grandad who was very old and a heavy smoker stepped onto the road while concentrating on lighting a cigarette, when he looked up his final words were,

---- me, a bus.

555555555 it did make me laugh 

13 minutes ago, transam said:

YOU have just clarified my diesel point..........Diesels are far more harmful than a ciggy....So much so legislation in some countries are trying to combat the harm...

In LOS nothing.......YOU drive a diesel here then YOU are worse than a ciggy smoker.....YOU got it yet............?

You can think what you like I know what I am talking about.

smokers all over the world should pay $100 a packet and in your thailand 

you should be paying at less 2,000 thai bht a packet that would help you to stop , but you are to late for help .

12 minutes ago, Sirbergan said:

In my opinion, the gift of valuables can be a token of your love. It does, however, have no real sentimental value. If the person really needs to sell it, for whatever reason, accepting and understanding that choice would be another token of love. Feeling hurt by that is, in most cases, egocentric, especially if the person doesn't know how you would feel about it.

 

Now, it would be a lot different had it been a gift of high sentimental value, like for instance a scrapbook with pictures of all your happy times together over the years that she threw or gave away (after taking out the pictures), a necklace that has been passed on for generations in your family, or any other very thoughtful gift. Gold is not such a gift, in my opinion. High monetary value, low sentimental value.

 

That being said, people feel differently and you have every right to find it disrespectful – which it would be, if (and only if) she knew you would take offense by it before she sold it.

Ok I agree with you 

and yes she did know because I told her so , but like some Thais lies ever time they talk .

but that is life and you lean by that .

my new will get gold yes for sure but I have to be 200% sure she will respect it .

i know not all Thais are not the same buts lots are .

the new one is a top lady and I am very lucky to have her .

but I do tell it the way I have seen it in thailand and the  stories I have been told by people I believe, not just off the Internet.

1 minute ago, transam said:

I think you may be waffling now....

 

1...I smoke but do care about others...

2. I do know about diesels and how they pollute...

3. I reckon you know nothing about diesels..

Ok good you are a smoker who cares , then why are you going on about it now if you care ? . 

Being a truck driver all my life and a  Motor mechanic I think I would know how it all works , just look in  New York city how all the big truck companies are   Complaining because they have to buy new truck to less the  polluting . 

Look at the way new truck have to  filter the  fumes out of they trucks  exhaust  fumes to make the air cleaner.

so get of your high   Horse and  support my way of thinking if you say you care when you smoke .

4 minutes ago, Sirbergan said:

 

A gift of gold is a gift of valuables. A gift of love would be understanding and respecting her decision to sell it.

You think your way I will I will think my way so leave it at that .

i will never understand your way of thinking.

that is way I f??? Her off . 

7 minutes ago, transam said:

You reckon.....Try me...... Or better still ask VW........

Like I say sorry you have no idea about the new  Diesel motors at less they are try to make the air cleaner.

but that  dirty filthy smoking  habit that people do don't care about others.

19 minutes ago, Sirbergan said:

 

A gift is actually something you have given away. A person receiving a gift has every right to do with it as he or she sees fit.

No a gift of gold is a gift of love and the person who sells it is  disrespectful . 

So you think it is all right for people to sell those gifts of love do you .

not all but lots of thai woman are just  greedy people who think of it as money and not love .

31 minutes ago, transam said:

You don't drive a diesel then...That's cool...

You would have know idea what the new diesel motors are like you live in your smoking  bubble .

8 minutes ago, paul18620 said:

I didn't mean to insult you at all ,as I also know what it is like to be in this position but as I said there is nothing you can do you just have to accept that they see the gift you give them as cash as one day they will sell it.

No , no you are not insulting me at all , you have it all wrong , I understand you but it gives me the s???s on how they see it , makes you think  twice about doing it again with your new thai lady like me , she now has to  suffer and wait and see if she is  trustworthy of me buying her some gold as a gift.

i have never had a problem buying my partners gold as a gift be it for a thai lady or a western woman, but because of the way thai woman see I am not sure I want to do it again with the new lady .

hop you understand me not have a go at you sorry if you are thinking like that.

13 minutes ago, transam said:

So what.....Your hospital stuff......I grew up with smoke....Folk from my era and the millennia before grew up with smoke.....Times have moved on but YOU find having a ciggy is the end of the world....

 

You have what you want but not near me 

go kill your self in your  space 

5 minutes ago, paul18620 said:

Thai people see gold as investment ,even though you have given it to the as a gift so of course when their other investments/ventures aren't  so well they cash the gold in and they don't even tell the husband /boyfriend that they have done it.

I know all about that s??? .

I am not going to get on to thai  bashing ok .

it is a joke the way they sell it with no respect to the person who gives them that gift.

all I can  disrespectful .

5 minutes ago, transam said:

I grew up with a smoke filled house, parents smoked, coal fires, paraffin heaters, bus home from school where the fog was so thick someone had to walk in front of it to show the way....Fog was SMOKE.....

 

Smokers know about the risks, so do fizzy pop drinkers and saturated fat eaters.....And for sure diesel fueled car/truck users....

Yes and so what ?

1 minute ago, transam said:

You quoted "hospital stuff".........I would suggest more folk are kicking the bucket because of the 'modern' diet than smoking...Take a look around you at the modern day physiques.. The rise in diabetes that has to be treated....

Yes I agree, but smoking is a  known  Killa 

if you see the results of  smoking diseases you would be blown away .

3 minutes ago, overherebc said:

He was a heavy smoker !!

Ok so 

54 minutes ago, thai3 said:

No they just hoard it at home

And sell it when they run out of money.

gold as  gift to someone , is a gift , not something you can sell when you have know idea on how to  manage your money .