Diablo Bob

 

 

NASA is full of bs.  Sorry space travel is a nice dream but we cannot travel at high speeds necessary to reach far away planets.  What NASA fails to tell you is that even if we could go at the speed of light necessary one mere grain of sand would blow a ship apart upon impact.  There is way to much debris in space to make any kind of serious distance.  Better to spend the money taking care of earth's problems and plenty of 'em.  Let the aliens come to us lol. 

 

NASA must be under a budget review.

 

The NASA statement refers to FINDING life, NOT personally dropping by their planet for scones and tea.

 

Beam me up Scotty.  

 

 

If there is life somewhere that is far advanced than ours,why havnt they come to earth

 

Maybe they have visited us...... and don't want to talk to us! 

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U.S. airlines operating international flights to or from most U.S.airports must each establish and comply with their own limit on the length of tarmac delays on those flights. On both domestic and international flights, U.S. airlines must provide passengers with food and water no later than two hours after the tarmac delay begins. While the aircraft remains on the tarmac lavatories must remain operable and medical attention must be available if needed. http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/publications/flyrights.htm

Sounds as if the pilot is getting a lot of credit for what he had to do anyway.

Harry,

Don't you think that the pilot went above and beyond the airlines responsibilty when he, not the airline purchased those pizza's for the passengers?

Just asking?

I think that many are forgetting that she finished the competition...... unlike 23 other who did not finish.....

Or to put it another way, she was 67th out of 90 entered at the end of the day, she was more than qualified to be at Sochi.

bhthai.

Remember me lad it's your life and it's for real not a fun run.I have done everything I have wanted to do.

90% has been great 5% well I did it and 5% F***.me gently, I should never have done that, but you learn and you have memories.

See a corner go round it, an open door go through it any opening any opportunity take the chance or you'll spend the rest of your life thinking ''what if?''

Still do it at my age now 68 but a bit slower irks the missus but she understands Thai feminine logic = karma in her mind(s)

Live life to the full, don't be a boring young or old fart,remember when you're drooling away in the old folks home in years to come your memories will be more precious than gold

I posted this a few weeks ago on another thread.....

I agree with siampolee's thoughts.

In the 1970's America dropped more bombs on the country of Cambodia than any other country in history. The equivalent of 5 hiroshima bombs. This on a country it wasn't at war with and was no threat to America. It did this to destabilise the country to assist with the overthrow of its leader. His subsequent overthrow and death led to the rise of the Khmer Rouge and its leader pol Pot. His subsequent reign of terror brought about the deaths of countless million innocent Cambodians.

Anyone else see a repeat of history here ?

People also seem to forget that before the West invaded Afghanistan the Taliban were the rulers of that country. As far as I can remember they never threatened another sovereign state they simply refused Americas demand to hand over a suspect and when the UN asked if they could reduce the heroin production they practically eliminated it. something the coalition seems incapable of doing.

You reap what you sow as the saying goes

I think the bombs you are refering to is The Plain of Jars, Laos.

The Cambodia conflict during the Vietnam war era is quite confusing with The USA, USSR and China all supporting different players in the game. The Chinese supported the Khmer Rouge, they won Phase I...... Phase II, the USSR won, they supported North Vietnam, by this time just Vietnam when they kicked out the Khmer Rouge. It's interesting to note that the Khmer Rouge eradicated the North Vietnames insurgents while coming to power (China vs. USSR). In responce to the Vietnames invasion of Cambodia in 1978, China tried to invade Vietnam in 1979, but met an enemy with 40+ years of war experience, it went badly for the Chinese.

None of the leaders (past/present) were killed in the conflict, Prince Sihanouk spent his exhile in North Korea supprting the Khmer Rouge, he died in 2012. Lon Nol, who overthrew the Prince died in 1985 in California.

It is speculated that the rise of the Khmer Rouge had more to do with Prince Sihanouk's support than the ideology of Pol Pot.

Where to start... First thaiwest, I've never felt an earthquacke either, so they must not exist. And Texas is a pretty big state too. Impulse, the New Madrid and San Andreas, luckily are not near fracking sites so they don't get the 'benefit' of small prepatory quakes. Lucky Pennsilvania, West Virginia, and New York State are near where a lot of fracking goes on so they do get a lot of 'helpful?' fracking quakes as well as mud slides and horribly polluted ground water. Lots of fresh water is wasted pumping into these wells and gets mixed with chemicals which make the left over water toxic which then mixes with the nearby DRINKING water to, enhance the flavor? I like my oil and gas, but there has to be some boundaries!

Coldmike,

You might want to read the following about fracking in California:

http://science.kqed.org/quest/2012/04/12/fracking-in-california-any-cause-for-concern/

http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/business/x1801991983/State-loosens-fracking-ban-near-Taft

Taft is aroung 15Km from the San Andreas fault.

The first arcticle is quite interesting in reference to shallow seismic events in Long Beach.

You are right about the San Andreas not getting the benefit of small prepatory quakes ....... they are large prepatory quakes.

I was just calling out the quacks.

20 years with Halliburton & then 15 more with Baker Hughes.

I am so down with fracing.

I even know how to spell it.

I am currently in Oman doing research on some new polymer fluids.....for Dairen.

So far it's been great and a disaster, big problems maintaining dispursion in our elevated summer environment. Experimenting on using chilled in-line mixing chamber. Otherwise the stuff works great.

Oh, I am not a geologist, I am actually a Geotechnical Engineer.

Lots of amateur geologists on this forum. "Lubricate the fault"

That presupposes you know the depths of all these geologic features.

Most of you sound like climate scientists.

News on this forum is sourced from The Sun or News of the World.

We can conclude from TVF that global warming is real & oil production is bad. Okey.

There is no supposition....

Prior to production drilling, along with seismic surveys, we actually drill and sample the field.

The purpose of the sampling is to determine production drilling times and borehole drilling fluids. I work with the fluids.

I am inclined to agre with shirtles.

We keep on mining these liquid products from under our feet and such deposits as I undertsand are under heavy pressure. So yes something is going to give surely.

The pressure drops tectonic movement begin and the next thing we get is an earthquake.

Could end up with the world in certain areas anyway imploding.

''Thinks'' Remind ones self not to buy property in Texas !!

Second ''thinks.''

All that oil extraction from the North sea might mean Scotland floats away from we English .

Those old sweaty socks wasting all that money on that independence referenbdum when old mother nature might well do the job for them.

The waste water is being pumped back into the oil field, the oil resevoir. Inasmuch as oil has a lesser specific gravity than water, the oil floats.

The pressure in the resevoir will increase not decrease. That being said, an increase in pressure could activate tetonic movement and actually lubricate the fault depending on the porosity of the geologic formation at that location.

I would worry if this was happening along the San Andreas fault (CA), oh wait, it is...... Taft California.

Only true idiots take harmful drugs. Drugs kill you a day at a time. With luck, it will happen fast but normally it takes years of suffering - not you but your family.

So true!

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Life kills you a day at a time, so you may as well enjoy it with whatever poison you choose.

Suicide bombings are a sure sign of total despair.

I am no expert on Islam, but, from what I have read, according to Muhammad, the only sure path to paradise is through Jihad. I think that is the main cause of suicide bombings. Not "despair"

This might help......

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Very specific, even points out the verses that say it is OK to kill non-combatants (Women & Children), the justification used for suicide bombings.

It is obvious that any source that I use will be biased in your eyes, unless it agrees with your point of view.

It is not only about bias. Everyone is biased including reporters. It is that you expect me to accept their conclusions and I know enough about the situation to see the flaws in their logic.

We can trade news stories all day, that are biased in both directions, but anyone who can say that there was never a Jewish Palestine, that everything was quite peaceful in the Palestine area up until 1948 and that there was no Palestinian Arab terrorism before then, simply does not know what they are talking about, when it comes to this issue, and you tried to claim all three of these things.

I said nothing......

The arcticles I posted were not written by me. In one instance I erred and admitted to it, I will apologize again.

Just giving the other side of the story, something that you don't recognize.

How about a burqa ban unless they're ugly?

Is this like the infamous pencil test?

For this that aren't familiar with it...... in the 60's, when the braless craze was becoming popular, I think it was University of California Berkley issued a rule that if a pencil was placed on the under side of a womens breast, if it fell they were allowed to go braless, if it didn't fall a bra was required......

Don't know if that story was true, but everbody was talking about it!

How in the HELL does France get itself an a position where it needs the approval of some multinational higher power to uphold its own laws?

How in the HELL do British lawyers get standing to sue France before a multinational court for passing its own laws?

How in the HELL does France give up its national sovereignty to some multinational group that the people of France don't directly elect by themselves?

What in the HELL is wrong with European countries to cede their borders to every idiot who comes along?

How in the HELL can this story be happening in the first place?

Agree,

You think that is bad, Some commision from the European Union was/is trying to stop/ban California wine producers from labeling their products Champagne, because that is the exclusive, belonging to products from Champagne, France.

I don't know the outcome, but I imagine a few Californians have probably replyed to the EU with a polite <deleted>> Off!

Israel is responding as a country would that is involved in an actual war - not what would be done in peacetime as peacetime does not exist on Israel's borders. Israel is involved in a smoldering war that for all intents and purposes has never stopped.

Exactly right. The Palestinians have declared themselves Israel's enemies and have been waging war on them since long before Israel was even founded. As long as they keep up the hostilities and refuse peace deal after peace deal, they are to to blame for the unpleasant consequences.

Be honest, both sides are to blame.

Interesting read, from an unbiased source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oslo/negotiations/

PBS is hardly "unbiased". They are the same liberals that fired liberal pundit Juan Williams for admitting that he got worried when flying on a plane with Muslims. PBS tries to insinuate that the blame was shared and the peace deal would not have happened because Sharon took over as Prime Minister, but that is pure speculation. There is no evidence of this. In fact, he is the one that eventually initiated the Israeli disengagement from Gaza and evicted Israeli citizens who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes. He took a lot of heat for that. The real reason that the peace process ended was Palestinian suicide bombings:

The Palestinian intifada's cycle of violence continued and escalated. On March 29, 2002, after a suicide bomber killed 30 people, Israel launched Operation Defensive Shield. Israel's troops re-entered Palestinian cities and refugee camps, hunting down terrorists and often leaving massive destruction in their wake.

Three months later, in mid-June 2002, two more suicide bombings struck Israel. Sharon announced Israel would immediately begin a policy of taking back land in the West Bank, and holding it, until the terror attacks stopped.

It is obvious that any source that I use will be biased in your eyes, unless it agrees with your point of view. That being said, let's try another of my biased sources:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine

Israel is responding as a country would that is involved in an actual war - not what would be done in peacetime as peacetime does not exist on Israel's borders. Israel is involved in a smoldering war that for all intents and purposes has never stopped.

Exactly right. The Palestinians have declared themselves Israel's enemies and have been waging war on them since long before Israel was even founded. As long as they keep up the hostilities and refuse peace deal after peace deal, they are to to blame for the unpleasant consequences.

Be honest, both sides are to blame.

Interesting read, from an unbiased source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oslo/negotiations/

I am well aware that you prefer the kind of propaganda that Diablo Bob is peddling.

Unlike you Ulysses, I recognize that there are two sides to every story, I am just here to give the other side a voice. In reality, you are the propogandest (Sp.?), you have become the FOX news of Thai Visa.

Some of your points have been very valid, while others are like a blind man describing a sunset, not accurate or misleading...... open your eyes to both sides not just a singular view.

With posters who are so knowedgeable, I question why they consistently ignore the documented policy, that is now in the public domain, of Jewish leaders of the time who made it very clear in their private communicatiions of their objective to force out the local population by one means or another.

Yes, we ARE talking about Arabs in Israel. Don't you even read the posts that you are replying to (above)? Neither you or simple1 can explain why - if everyone was out to get rid of them - 20% of the population of Israel are Arabs with the same rights as everyone else, as well as students and teachers in the Universities and an Arab on the Supreme Court. That doesn't make any sense.

By the way, simple on used a FAKE QUOTE attributed to David Ben-Gurion earlier. The real quote was the one that I posted where he said that he DID NOT want to force the Arabs to leave.

You might be talking about Israeli Arabs but the fact remains that these poor boys were murdered in Palestine by Palestinian Arabs. My stand is that their murder is trajic, but if Israel had honestly dealt with the Arabs from day 1 of their occupation, this might have been prevented. From day 1 the Zionist goal was the elimination of the Arabs in the occupied territory. FACT

The Israeli methods have been brutal and has done nothing but create more terrorist who only dream of their destruction. FACT

You can white wash it anyway you want Ulysses, but you can't change history.

Nonsense. Conspiracy theory stuff. If he wanted to get rid of them, how do you explain the fact that 20% of the country are Palestinian Arabs with the same rights as Jewish citizens? Israel beat the Arabs overwhelmingly over and over again and if they wanted to drive all the Arabs out, they would be long gone.

Another quote from your friend Ben.....

“Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs, We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion, quoted in “The Jewish Paradox” by Nathan Goldman, former president of the World Jewish Congress.

Conspiracy theory....... yea, right, these are ALL Jewish authors, many from Israel, most well known. We really aren't talking about the Arabs in Israel are we, we are talking about Palestine, not the same and they don't have the same rights as the Arabs in Israel.

With posters who are so knowedgeable, I question why they consistently ignore the documented policy, that is now in the public domain, of Jewish leaders of the time who made it very clear in their private communicatiions of their objective to force out the local population by one means or another.

Maybe because you are being very selective and very dishonest about your quotes. The reason that 20% of Israel is Arab is because they were asked to stay and become good citizens - face the facts. Here is what the Founding Father of Israel had to say.

We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs.

Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.

-David Ben-Gurion

More information:

http://marthiemombergblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/cape-times-article-by-israeli-ambassador.pdf

Are we talking about the same David Ben-Gurion?

"Publicly they all continued to speak of coexistence and to attribute the violence to a small minority of zealots and agitators. But this was merely a public pose..Ben Gurion summed up: ‘With compulsory transfer we (would) have a vast area (for settlement)...I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it,’” Israel historian, Benny Morris, “Righteous Victims.”

AND

“Ben-Gurion clearly wanted as few Arabs as possible to remain in the Jewish state. He hoped to see them flee. He said as much to his colleagues and aides in meetings in August, September and October [1948]. But no [general] expulsion policy was ever enunciated and Ben-Gurion always refrained from issuing clear or written expulsion orders; he preferred that his generals ‘understand’ what he wanted done. He wished to avoid going down in history as the ‘great expeller’ and he did not want the Israeli government to be implicated in a morally questionable policy...But while there was no ‘expulsion policy’, the July and October [1948] offensives were characterized by far more expulsions and, indeed, brutality towards Arab civilians than the first half of the war.” Benny Morris, “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949”

Just asking?

First off, the term Palsestinian predates WWII, the first use of the term Palestiniian in a nationalist concept was in 1922

You should know better than to rely on Wikipedia. Anyone can alter it and it is very unreliable. What you wrote has little resemblance to actual history.

First of all, Palestine was a Jewish country that was originally called Judea, but the Romans changed the name in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from the Latin name Palaestina. No independent Arab or Palestinian state has ever existed in Palestine.

Very few Palestinian Arabs ever owned land. It was owned by absentee landlords in the surrounding countries who sold the worst of it to Jews for inflated prices and then tried to steal it back after the Jews drained swamps, cleared water channels, reclaimed wasteland, forested bare hills, cleared rocks, removed salt from the soil and made the desert bloom.

You are also incorrect about everything being "peaceful" until 1948. There were more Jews in Jerusalem in 1850 than Arabs - although there were more Arabs in the whole territory - and the Arabs started attacking the Jews pretty seriously around 1920 - long before WW2. They continued until 1948 and long afterwards.

The Arabs started the hostilities in the first place, refused numerous offers for peace and their own nation and have lost every war since. They have been their own worst enemies.

"... nor can we forget that the hatred of the Arab politician for the [Jewish] National Home has never been concealed and that it has now permeated the Arab population as a whole." - Peel Commission, 1937

OK, let's not use Wikpedia, let's use Jews for Justice, and I quote:

“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”

Palestine was NOT a Jewish country.... there might ave been more Jews in Jerusalem than Arabs , but in Palestine:

..."Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.”

You're right about me being wrong about how peacefull Palestine was until 1948, I had never read about the Palestinian uprising in the 1930's.

To answer your questions, there never were "Palestinians" until they named themselves that after WWII. There was a large area called Palestine that included other countries including Israel.

The Palestinians are frauds. They are actually the Philistines who were outcasts even among Arabs and were stateless nomadic wanderers. The Arabs accept them now only as straw men who carry out acts of terrorism against Israel.

If the Philistines had just settled into land they were given, and lived peacefully instead of receiving and using terrorist aid given by other terrorist nations, they would have had a good life.

But terrorists do what terrorists do.

Never Sure,

I normally support most of your view and agree with many of your stances.

Not this time....

First off, the term Palsestinian predates WWII, the first use of the term Palestiniian in a nationalist concept was in 1922 when the first demand for national independence of the Levant was issued by the Syrian–Palestinian Congress. Israel is the new kid on the block..... 1948 they were awarded independene by the UN, Palestine had been there since 5 B.C.

Your reference to the Philistines, well the actual spelling is Filistan, which is Arabic for Palestine. Let's face it, most Arabs came from nomadic wanderering tribes. That being said, everything was quite peacefull in Palestine up until 1948, and this is with a significant Jewish population. Yes there was some terrorism, not Palestinian but Jewish. Mainly the Brits were the target.

1948 changed the dynamics, massive Jewish influx from Europe.

The land they were given, was taken away from them and the Palestinian population was put into refugee camps, this was in the 50's and you know what, many of these families are still in refugee camps today, 65 years later.

And we wonder what the problem is?

When King Ibn Saud was told of the UN plan to create Israel he said, "Why give the Jews Palestine, give them part of Germany, they created the problem!"

Well, you have part of it right. But even going with your belief that the first use of the word Palestinian was less than 100 years ago, we can still conclude that it is a made-up term, and not part of the history of Palestine.

Even then, it wasn't being applied to the frauds who now call themselves Palestinians. They are Philistines.

Israel is the new kid on the block?? They occupied their land for a few millennia until they were defeated and run off about 2,000 years ago. After WWII the UN gave them back their homeland.

In the 6 day war in 1967, Israel recaptured The Wall, The Temple Site, and Old Jerusalem. This of course is very vexing to Muslims who built that temple. It is widely believed that this temple site is "holy" to the Jews and was the site of the Jewish temple mentioned in writings 2,000 years ago.

So you have both the Muslims and the Jews strongly convinced that this site is central to their religion, and neither will give up. The Philistines have become the straw man for the Muslims to try to shake Israel loose. Of course there's also Hamas and others.

They'll never knock Israel out of there. See the 6 day war. Israel goes in hard a furiously, and is better equipped and better trained that all of the Arab countries and Iran (Persia) put together. Israel just demonstrated that they have no fear (or credible resistance) to flying into such as Syria and bombing what they wish.

Peace.

Don't confuse the Kingdom of Israel with present day Israel..... two different animals, similar names. Israel is the new kid on the block!

By your own words, "They occupied their land for a few millennia until they were defeated and run off about 2,000 years ago" and "After WWII the UN gave them back their homeland".....what is the legal justification for the seizure of the Palestine lands? What claim did the Jewish people have on this land? I don't think that a Holy scripture for a minority religion will pass muster!. I would think that over 2000 years they abdicated whatever claim they might have thought they had.

Sorry to hear about this...Other excuse for Israeli terrorists to destroy Palestinian life's and property. Hope to see the day Palestinians live free in their own country.

Whats left of their own country!

They never - ever - had their own country, but they could have if they had accepted the UN solution and not declared war on the people who did.

When was any Arab Palestine founded and by whom?

What were its borders?

What was its capital?

What were its major cities?

Who was the Palestinian leader before Yasser Arafat?

Kidnapping innocent teenagers and murdering them is not going to help them get their own country any faster.

To answer your questions, there never were "Palestinians" until they named themselves that after WWII. There was a large area called Palestine that included other countries including Israel.

The Palestinians are frauds. They are actually the Philistines who were outcasts even among Arabs and were stateless nomadic wanderers. The Arabs accept them now only as straw men who carry out acts of terrorism against Israel.

If the Philistines had just settled into land they were given, and lived peacefully instead of receiving and using terrorist aid given by other terrorist nations, they would have had a good life.

But terrorists do what terrorists do.

Never Sure,

I normally support most of your view and agree with many of your stances.

Not this time....

First off, the term Palsestinian predates WWII, the first use of the term Palestiniian in a nationalist concept was in 1922 when the first demand for national independence of the Levant was issued by the Syrian–Palestinian Congress. Israel is the new kid on the block..... 1948 they were awarded independene by the UN, Palestine had been there since 5 B.C.

Your reference to the Philistines, well the actual spelling is Filistan, which is Arabic for Palestine. Let's face it, most Arabs came from nomadic wanderering tribes. That being said, everything was quite peacefull in Palestine up until 1948, and this is with a significant Jewish population. Yes there was some terrorism, not Palestinian but Jewish. Mainly the Brits were the target.

1948 changed the dynamics, massive Jewish influx from Europe.

The land they were given, was taken away from them and the Palestinian population was put into refugee camps, this was in the 50's and you know what, many of these families are still in refugee camps today, 65 years later.

And we wonder what the problem is?

When King Ibn Saud was told of the UN plan to create Israel he said, "Why give the Jews Palestine, give them part of Germany, they created the problem!"

Felons are already barred from buying guns and have been for many years. It is about the wholesale banning of guns, in the long run. I might actually support it, if it would not leave millions of weapons in the hands of criminals and no way for solid citizens to defend themselves.

I tend to agree with you somewhat which is why tough regulation on the manufacture and sale of ammunition is the way to go.

Great idea......

Chris explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw&feature=kp

RIP Eli, thank you for the memories.....

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